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Outdoor Odyssey

Fri, Feb 25, 2011 4:16 pm

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The harvest in California was epic, as always, and the marketplace is now flooded with product. However, along with this year’s pot crops, the seeds of discontent were also sown: The price of outdoor pot is plummeting, and growers are getting anxious.

 

Story & photos by Dan Skye

 

“I’m trying to get out of it 100 percent,” one Northern Cali grower tells me. “I don’t wanna do it – I just don’t see any future in it at all. I don’t think I could take care of my family.

 

“Still,” this grower adds, “it’s so hard not to put out an outdoor crop, because it pretty much takes care of itself.”

 

It’s a warm October day up in Trinity County. This is outdoor-cultivation country: rugged and remote, but teeming with activity as the harvest season begins. This particular grower is taking a break. He’s hired a crew of three to help build a sturdy grow house in one corner of the 40 acres of Trinity wilderness he owns. Just a couple of hundred yards away from the construction site, his garden is standing tall, a picturesque patch of OG Kush glistening in the sun. He looks over at it and just shakes his head. 

 

“Man, when I first started out, I used to get $3,000 in the Bay Area,” he says wistfully. “That was eight years ago, so we’re talking about a one-third drop in price. Mom and pop? Fuckin’ everybody’s doing it … whole families are growing! It just seems that the number of outdoor grows triples every year. It went from one neighbor’s yard to three neighbors’ yards to five neighbors’ yards to the whole street – every single place. It’s just mass production.”

 

Welcome to the not-so-Golden State – at least when it comes to the outdoor marijuana market. Twenty-five years ago, growers could count on getting $5,000 or more per pound. But with the introduction of liberal medical-marijuana laws and the influx of thousands of new growers arriving to take financial advantage, the California cannabis industry is getting schooled on the laws of supply and demand. Even top growers – those with reputations for high-quality pot earned over years of growing – have seen their prices fall below $2,500 per pound. Often, they’ll settle for $2,000. New growers without connections can expect half of that – or even less.

 

In October, David Lampach, a co-owner and researcher at Oakland’s Steep Hill Lab, the top cannabis-testing facility in the US, forecast even more gloomy news for California’s outdoor growers. After the north coast was subjected to an unseasonably early heavy rainstorm in September, Lampach noted: “Early rains have a significant impact on the outdoor market. Expect higher incidences of mold contamination in the cannabis supply from this region. In addition, flower coloration is impacted by the increased moisture and cold temperatures that accompany a weather event of this magnitude. The low- and mid-grade outdoor markets, which were already poised to experience significant challenges this fall, will be even more hard pressed to recover from the crash-level price declines experienced over the last several years. Many buds that might have otherwise ranked as high-grade outdoor will slip into the middle and low grades. The bottom has fallen out for the low-grade market, and further price declines should be expected.”

 

Click here for Steep Hill Lab’s September/October 2010 Cannabis Industry Report

 

The glut of outdoor pot and consequent price drop has more than a few growers contemplating the idea of focusing on indoor only. This “crisis” is amplified by the fact that medical-marijuana dispensaries have lately demonstrated a strong preference for indoor product, giving credence to the myth that indoor pot is somehow superior to outdoor.

 

Erich Pearson, who runs the SPARC (San Francisco Patient and Resource Center) dispensary in San Francisco, is critical. “Dispensaries have not been educating the public,” he opines. “People are beginning to believe that indoor cannabis has a higher THC content. But the genetics of a plant remain the same whether it’s grown indoors or outdoors. We’ve grown the same seeds indoors and outdoors, and the THC level has remained the same. In fact, our outdoor Black Domina comes in at 18 percent, while our highest indoor product, an OG Kush, comes in at 16.5.

 

“People have not been told about the environmental benefits of growing outdoors. Dispensaries seem to prefer indoor because it’s a prettier product; outdoor pot is duller, not as glossy. But it’s not like outdoor pot is dirtier or even moldier. Steep Hill Labs, whom we rely on to test our products, states that there is no difference in mold content.” 

 

Coupled with the stronger market for indoor pot is the huge outdoor harvest statewide. Veteran growers commonly store their crops for sale in the spring and summer months, after the outdoor market has become less saturated. But these days, many Left Coast growers don’t have that option. Our nation’s financial meltdown has been especially cruel to California residents, who live in a state that is literally bankrupt. Jobs are scarce and money is tight, and countless cash-strapped Californians have gotten into gardening as a means of seeking some financial relief. Unfortunately, many growers can’t wait for better prices: They need cash for basic living expenses – mortgages, car payments, groceries – and they need it now! Consequently, prices in recent years have been doing a nosedive come autumn – sometimes down to a mere $700 per pound.

 

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At the same time, while California’s outdoor harvest may have been enormous, it’s essential to note that the vast majority of these crops are shipped outside the state. “It affects the price of outdoor pot here,” a dispensary owner in LA points out. “The margins are higher for outdoor pot elsewhere because, the further you travel away from California, the less critical the eye is. Outside the state, the differences between indoor and outdoor aren’t that significant – provided that the product is decent outdoor, the margins remain high for outdoor pot sold out of state. As the outdoor pot dries up, dispensaries are forced to buy indoor pot all summer long. So when the outdoor season arrives, they’re looking to make up for lost margins by taking advantage of the glut of outdoor product.”

 

A NorCal grower who’s sold product to dispensaries for years reports: “Everybody just wants us to leave samples. If you had indoor, they’d take it right then.” But with outdoor, he says, it’s “Not today, we’ll call you back.”

 

This grower adds: “Even down in Southern California, it’s gotten tough. Fresno and Bakersfield, the farmlands, they’re bringing in tons of outdoor. There’s a lot being grown in the foothills. People are coming in with suitcases full of outdoor. Get this: I know a grower who just sold a 10-pack of Snowcap [10 pounds] for $15,000. It was pretty decent stuff, and he only got $1,500 a pound – and he had to deliver it! Times have changed.”

 

Given this situation, who could possibly blame outdoor growers (with the obvious exception of law enforcement) for selling their crops out of state? Guerrilla growers in NorCal say that prices haven’t changed in years, with their product fetching anywhere from $3,500 to $4,500 per pound. However, wherever pounds are being sold, it’s usually the middleman making the most money. The downward pressure has been solely at the wholesale level – and, sadly, the consumer doesn’t appear to benefit.

 

“The middleman is what screwed California pricing,” says B.E. Smith, a NorCal veteran with 30 years of cultivation under his belt. “We used to be real paranoid – you had the same buyer for years. Then, all of a sudden, legal medical pot came in, and the buyers could start buying it from other people cheaper. Remember, whoever buys it for $800 from the growers is still going to get a good price for it. So outdoor pot hasn’t ‘failed’ – I mean, do they have a survey on all the guerrilla growers and how much they’re getting selling it outside the state?”

 

Smith includes California’s dispensaries in that “middleman” category: “If there’s been this huge drop in prices, how come it’s not being passed on to the consumer?”

 

To be fair, the overhead for growing indoor crops is far higher than an outdoor garden. But Smith isn’t buying it.

 

“Years ago, I said that we should be able to grow pot for $500 a pound. And I would still grow $500 a pound – if I could get the dispensaries to promise that there would only be a certain amount of markup. There’s nothing compassionate about some of them bastards … not a damn thing. They’re preying on patients,” he says flatly.

 

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But while many complain of the precipitous drop in outdoor prices, others merely shrug.

 

“Even if it goes down to $1,000 a pound, it’s still worth it, isn’t it?” says a Mendocino County grower. “A friend of mine figured out that if he was getting $60 an ounce, it would still be better than going and doing construction. Hell, you bring in a hundred pounds, even after your overhead for trimmers and such, it’s still worth it.”

 

Some growers see a whole new danger lurking down the road. “If the Central Valley farmers ever get involved, we’re out of business,” says one in Humboldt County. ”I mean, they got the irrigation systems already from the vegetables they grow; they’re ready to go. What does it take to put clones in instead of tomatoes? A bunch of five-pound plants just rowed up like corn? It’s scaring the shit out of me!”

 

Even so, some growers are far more sanguine. “There’s going to be a ‘weeding out’ in the industry, if you will – or, to make another pun, a shakeout,” says one of the more optimistic farmers I talked to. “And it will be good for the industry.”

 

In fact, David Lampach of Steep Hill Lab believes that in the future, the entire industry will move to greenhouses. “At what point is it not economically feasible to grow indoors?” he asks. “Can it compete – especially when people come to understand that greenhouses produce terrific plants?”

 

And if new standards for quality (and quality control) add a new degree of legitimacy to the industry, then the best growers will certainly benefit – which means the consumer will benefit as well. Though these costs will inevitably be passed on to the consumer, the new product should not only be better, but also dependably, consistently better.

 

And at this point, although growers say they’ve experienced downward pressure on prices for the last 10 years, quality is what’s being lost in the equation. A successful Mendocino grower reminds everyone that “pot isn’t all the same” – which may seem obvious to most readers of HIGH TIMES, but let’s hear it one more time.

 

“It’s like bad wine compared to fine wine,” this grower says. “So when we talk about things that go for $700 a pound – sure, out there, and I’ve even heard $600 – but what is that? We have neighbors that are very basic people: They’re not [professional] growers, but they grow bud. And the variation in quality is huge.

 

“That’s the bottom line. It’s like buying anything else – you can buy crummy-grade apples or number ones, the ones you want. But the issue of indoor versus outdoor? It doesn’t matter where it’s produced or what it is­; the consumer is the final judge of quality and price. So if you have a competitive product, you’ll do fine.”



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Mike

Apr 26 2012, 2:52 pm

Considering that there are thousands of people in jail for having pot on their person or transporting it etc... Anyone making an honest buck (wether or not they are making huge profits) should be damned glad that they aren't being hauled off to jail by the feds. Yeah, it's legal in the state but the feddies have done far worse. The multi-billion dollar pharmaceutical companies aren't going to let mom and pop medicate themselves without them getting a piece of the money pie. It will be treated as a drug and policed as a tax crop eventually. Be glad that (for now) we can have it readily available to those who use it as their actual medication. Remember....that's why it was legalized in the first place. Not so that the farmers could turn a profit.

hop717

Feb 5 2012, 8:37 am

It's a beautiful sunday morning. I thought I'd drink my coffee, smoke a bowl, and read some great articles from High Times. AND THEN... I stumbled onto the comments of...
GSTLAB3! The upper cap idiot that has amused me for more than an hour!!!!
"It is better to be thought of as a fool, than to speak up and remove all doubt!"
And a good example of, "Weed cannot make you cool"
Honestly man, you are definitely on something other than weed - prolly opiates or meth or alcohol. Just weed alone does make make you a rambling, ranting, obnoxious, idiot.
You really should seek professional help.

BESRT ONLINE MEDS!

Dec 1 2011, 8:53 am

BEST ONLINE AND TRUSTED FOR YEARS, BE-WELL@SAFE-MAIL.NET IS #1. EMAIL FOR A VAST MENU.THEY HELPED ME OUT AND CAN HELP YOU TOO!!!!

anonymous

Oct 25 2011, 9:48 am

Keep the medical pros out of it they make enough as it is.

herbalist

Aug 2 2011, 2:33 pm

light depth it to make it thru the winter. veg it indoor...then, when its as big as u want it...say 5' ft to 10' move that bitch outside and she will flower immediately. this is a good way to harvest every couple of weeks ;)

and also. everyone quit bitching about price plummeting, i mean seriously...wtf. if u dont likke wut ur getting, go back to ur 9 to 5 otherwise get better and grow better so u can charge better. find the right buyers who dont know enough to go find it cheaper. its a business, u must treat it like one. what did cig corporations do when they realized adults were getting wise to their tactics? they targeted teens...

better yet just hang tight, this allowance of cultivation is only just beginning to flower everyone, we all know it takes time for the flower to ripen, u all r panicking and the laws arent even out of pre-flower yet!

irie lifestyles, onward!

cigs

Jul 26 2011, 8:13 pm

pots pot until doctors fuck it up and mess with the growth of the plant and make them not grow the right way.

???now could a pot plant make it threw winter time outside and grow back in the spring time outside if not why and are they families with trees because the stem grows thick and hard like a tree im just wondering

Joey

Jul 16 2011, 2:02 pm

If we kept our bud in our own state pretty much everyone would be smokin fuckin dirt so don't complain bout high prices ......... Remember u get what u pay for

Joey

Jul 16 2011, 1:57 pm

It's funny how everyone is startin to talk shit on Cali herb when u know our shit is always gonna be the BEST!

gdog

Jun 22 2011, 3:38 pm

Oregon outdoor is were its at

GreenTHUMB

Mar 27 2011, 2:09 am

Midwest Bud
Grows wild,so out door weed is more seed than weed.RockyMT.Bud makes its way to the
capital of NE. ,So for those willing to make that drive we thank you,and its worth a Buck
for a bag of KB. For those of us that that put are ass on the line to grow the kind we all
love support us dont cry about a bill for the home grown,ur sacks are always fat,no stems or seeds,doesent taste anything like dirt,and allot of love goes into it.Just plant your self a seed
and see how you do.Only the closest of friends get hands on my girl,they piss and they moan when its time to settle up,you live with the stink,and burn those fat lights,Until you do
HIGH 5 your your friend, give up the buck and tell them thank you.

Oliver Twisted

Mar 18 2011, 2:43 pm

I live in Ca. close to the bay area and have many pot clubs to choose from. The quality is generic and hardly any strain stands head and shoulders above the rest! And what the F*** is "non-profit" supposed to mean? That it cost over 1 million dollars a year to produce their smoke??

jackchipper

Mar 17 2011, 10:22 am

dispensaries blow goats ... i'm in ohio and if u know someone u get whatevr 4 275 a zip.. got this purple lemon out here people are paying 550 a zip.. and yes we are indoor growers.. u can grow outside but limited to weather functions..

super Dave

Mar 17 2011, 9:55 am

I just grew 9 oz white widow out of 5 plants from oct to mar 1. Indoors of course and having never grown in my 49 years on this big blue marble. Flourecent lighting,3 20 sq ft closets,foxfarm soil,bottled water,liquid foxfarm fertilizer,reputable seed,56 days veg,56 days flower,meticulis inspection of tricomes as harvest time neared,patience of Job,proper flushing prior to harvest to dump any remaining nutrients that foul taste,proper observience of moisture content,2 weeks curing time in glass cotainers,also the utmost attention paid to hygiene at all phases of this wonderfull cycle and finally tons of research,notes,common sense,disiplin,hard work and most importantly TheLove of the plant. Now comes a bitchslap of truth,selling my extra as I am a lightweight and need to fund my outdoor crop. If I leave a sample of even modest proportions I will end up giving away that which I spent 4 months perfecting. I have called up 25 or so dispensaries within 125 miles and get absolutly nowhere over the phone and get the standard just come on down and bring us a taste. Oh did I mention that that which I grew blows away 90 percent of anything even the very top shelf varieties offer. So anybody out there with some kind and helpfull advise would be doing me a solid. L ast summer my very first attempt at growing weed at all with my 6 plants and my father in-laws allotment of 6 plants was on the fasttrack to yield 25 ponds but just before this babe in the woods was to reap the rewards of his handiwork some Godless heathen releaved me of that burden. So as I exit stage left you see my quandry is having not experienced the act of selling for maximum returns for quality vs quantity. Please help me I am patient and still have all my winters goodies save a couple samples.

PakChild

Mar 13 2011, 6:17 pm

man, I wish prices around here were $2000 an elbow, maybe $2000 for a half but thats pretty cheap. Basically Pennsylvania prices for high grade are $65 an 1/8 and $400 an oz. Mids are like $15 an 1/8 and $100 an oz, so defently cheaper to just by the oz. And theres alot of indoor around here just a consistent price of no cheaper than $350 an oz for the most part. So californian's come to PITTSBURGH and make a killing

anonymous

Mar 7 2011, 5:06 pm

AWESOME ! just got some Jean-guy, high end BC strain, from be-well@safe-mail.net. They really know how to treat the customer. Check them out !!

anonymous

Mar 7 2011, 5:01 pm

be-well@safe-mail.net is a legit and high quality MOM.

bob ny

Mar 5 2011, 10:06 pm

in new york pounds of haze or sourd go for 5,000-5600

GROspot.com

Mar 4 2011, 2:22 pm

Check out the free marijuana grow guide at http;//www.groguide.grospot.com

Willy-wonk a-flocka

Mar 4 2011, 1:10 am

Big mike Florida weed is already crappy. I ain't sayin bamas the best either......

HANS

Mar 2 2011, 4:44 am

YOU SHOULD TRY AUSSIE,PRICES ARE A FUCKING JOKE.300oz,90-100 A QRT.NOT GOOD!!THAT INCLUDES QUALITY.SO NOW,HOME GROWN IS THE ONLY WAY!!

anonymous

Feb 27 2011, 8:50 pm

$5000 4 A #. THAT SHIT COME WITH A GOLD PIPE TO BURN WITH? wow those prices are alittle extream, no wonder wy so many grow now for themselfs, sounds like u harvesters out in cali got abit to greedy!! its the blessed plant or did u all 4get that, its to b shared by all

kingcupa 420

Feb 27 2011, 8:43 pm

the canadian blessed erb price$ (southern ontario)

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kush/white widow = 1/4 $65
1 oz $200-240 (depend on who ya know)
1/4# $750-800

OUTDOOR(sept harvest)
good green indca heavy = $160/oz 1/4# $600 # $1800-2000

Black hash (chunk/poo) = 1/4oz $80 1oz $300-330

White hash (blonde/LEB) = 1/4oz $100 1oz$350-400 (if around)

OIL (lube/gresse) = $70 a 5er (5 grams)
$100 a jumbo (7 grams)

peace n 1ove to all bakeheadz.. keeper treezzy

ryan

Feb 27 2011, 5:55 pm

u people are stupid.

billy t

Feb 27 2011, 3:46 pm

where can i buy that from chicago

papabjorn420

Feb 27 2011, 11:28 am

The Price should go down, this is ridiculous that people have to pay 50 dollars for an eighth of weed. The Price should continue to drop to aroud 50 dollars a quarter for the best pot you can get. I think some of the outdoor growers should continue to sell to others rather than the dispensaries. With the markup they have, they are worse than the government. Prices need to drop for everyones sake. Everyone should be able to enjoy the greatest plant on earth.

Madeulook

Feb 27 2011, 10:00 am

Quality over quanitty. The stuff that's at a low ticket is pretty much speaks for the quality of it's product:)

big mike

Feb 27 2011, 6:53 am

keep your weed in you state and out of florida. dont want my buyers buying crapy weed

gstlab3

Feb 26 2011, 8:39 pm

AH THE LIBERAL MINDSET!!

GETTING PAID FOR DOING LITTLE OR NO WORK AT ALL!!!!

GOOD POT REQUIRES HARD WORK AND EXPERTISE AND COSTS REAL MONEY AND AVERAGE POT IS FOR THE RIP OFF ARTISTS AND GANG BANGERS AND BOTTOM FEEDERS TO MAKE THEIR LIVING ON.

HARD WORK AND QUALITY WILL PAY YOU VERY WELL NO MATTER WHAT YOUR TRADE IS.

SAME THING FOR GOOD POT RIGHT??
SO WHATS THE PROBLEM????
I THINK IT'S A BUNCH OF OLD SCHOOL HIPPEY SPOILED BRATS WHO ARE FACING A LONG UPHILL BATTLE TRYING TO CATCH UP WITH THE MODERN POT GROWING WORLD AND THE MOST POTENT AND BEAUTIFULL MARIJUANA EVER GROWN.

IT'S NOW A NEWER BETTER STONGER STRAIN GAME.,
IT'S ALL ABOUT GENETICS AND STABLE BREEDING PROGRAMS.

SEED SAVERS WILL WIN OUT IN THE END.

THE OLD SCHOOL LAND RACES WITH STABILTY AS THEIR STRONG POINT AND THE THE POTENCEY OF THESE NEW MIXED VARITIES WILL MAKE FINDING NEW STABLE GENES AN EVER LASTING HOBBY AND SERIOUS ADVENTURE FOR THE PLANTSMAN WHO LOVES THIS PLANT FOR WHAT IT CAN DO.

THIS SPECIAL GENE POOL FROM MARIJUANA CAN ADAPT TO ALLMOST ANY ENVIROMENT.,
GIVEN THE BASICS OF PLANT CULTURE ANYONE CAN DO THIS!!!
IT'S A HOBBY WICH WILL EVENTUALLY LEAD TO A SERIOUS LESSON ON HOW REALLY FUCKING AMAZING MARIJUANA IS!!!!!

GROW YOUR OWN, FREE YOUR MIND, FREE THE PLANET!!

SAVE YOUR SEEDS TRADE WITH YOUR FRIENDS!!!!
MAKE NEW STRAINS AND CHANGE THE WORLD YOU LIVE IN STARTING TODAY!!!!!

hueman50

Feb 26 2011, 4:23 pm

The clinics are a big rip off for decent graded pot. A person is nuts for not growing their own and take a little time and get yourself a "new hobby". It's better than collecting stamps....

turtle

Feb 26 2011, 1:20 am

It's a gift from god. Grow your own and save the dough!

anonymous

Feb 25 2011, 11:09 pm

lemme tell ya, what leaves that state can't be the good stuff they grow . . . in the puget sound area cali weed is worse than beesters, and homegrown is always the finest out there

...

Feb 25 2011, 11:07 pm

It's sort of ironic to hear about a lack of prohibition-era pricing, but making a living is important too... surely lower prices are good overall because it expands access to more of those who deserve it.
One note on outdoor not mentioned: apparently outdoor crop produces a richer, more complex cannabinoid mixture... the sun makes so much more energy than grow lights, it stands to reason that a plant produces more oils which function as UV-protection & thus produce a more complex, desirable effect.
--indeed 'indoor' is unjustly synonymous with 'good'

Donald

Feb 25 2011, 7:26 pm

Get it into my state please :) ((Florida))

Connesieur Grower

Feb 25 2011, 4:38 pm

Keep that Calihoma pot OUT of my state!

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