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SELECTING THE PERFECT CLONE MOTHER

Choosing the best mother plant to produce cannabis cuttings requires finding the right phenotype from your batch of seeds.

Sun, May 18, 2008 11:38 pm

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pheno•type, n. Genetics. 1. the observable constitution of a living species. 2. the appearance of an organism, resulting from the interaction of the genotype and the environment.

Let’s start off with an example. When you buy a pack of seeds or are gifted by a friend with even just a few little hopefuls, you want the best of what the strain has too offer. And in your group of seeds, depending on how the strain was bred and how stable it is, there will be multiple phenotypes that possess different traits depending on the strain’s genetic background. With most strains out there these days, you can plant a whole pack of seeds for a particular strain and find either a hidden gem or a pheno with less desirable traits.

 

The trick is to find that hidden gem and use it as a clone mother so that you can stabilize, protect, and reuse those same genetics over and over in future projects. The question is: How do you find the hidden gem?

 

There are certain qualities and traits that one looks for when choosing a good clone mother, and these depend wholly on the grower’s specific desires. A person might look for a phenotype that is higher-yielding than the rest in order to boost overall harvest weight. Or a person might look for a phenotype that offers serious trichome production and thus higher potency, or maybe a pheno with a lighter aroma, in order to keep the grow op unnoticeable. In an experiment conducted for this article, our interest was in choosing a phenotype from each of two strains with high potency as well as a strong taste and aroma.

 

The two strains chosen for the project were Super Skunk and Shishkaberry, and the goal was to find a couple of impressive phenotypes that would then be used as clone mothers. Usually, someone such as a cannabis breeder would do this on a much bigger scale, using hundreds—if not thousands—of seeds. But the point of this project was simply to find two nice, stable, potent phenotypes that might make suitable mother plants for a home marijuana garden of clones.

 

The Trials
The vegetation cycle began with a total of 14 plants. Seven seeds from each strain were planted into 1-gallon pots and placed under a T-5 HO fluorescent light fixture containing four bulbs. The soil mix used consisted of 50% Fox Farm Organic Potting mix, 40% Fox Farm Light Warrior soilless mix and 10% perlite. Nutrients were added every other watering using Fox Farm’s Grow Big liquid fertilizer.

 

At around 25 to 30 days, the plants started to pre-flower, and a couple of female plants were already noticeable in the group. The light cycle was changed to 12/12 to induce flowering, and within 12 to 14 days, all of the males were weeded out. Sadly, this left only six females out of the original 14 seeds planted: three Super Skunk and three Shishkaberry. A 400-watt high-pressure sodium (HPS) lamp was added the same day that the veg cycle was flipped to 12/12. This was also when the plants began their nutrient feeding program, which included Fox Farm’s Tiger Bloom and Green Fuse Bloom Stimulant. Notes were diligently kept for later reference in order to gauge a particular strain’s response to environment, nutrients and time.

 

Generally, somewhere around 40 to 50 days, you’ll begin to witness firsthand the characteristics that define your phenotypes. That’s the time to start choosing, because only the best will make the cut. At the end of flowering—around 55 to 65 days, depending on the strain—you’ll be able to observe exactly how your phenotypes are turning out. Now is the time to solidify your list of desired traits and really think about what you’re looking for in your strains. What are your goals down the road? Is there a breeding program in your future? Are you growing for quantity, quality or both?

 

In the end, however, there is only one true way to judge the success of your phenos, and that takes place after they have been chopped down and fully dried and cured. Yes, you guessed it—you have to actually smoke the finished result. Only now will you be able to check the potency, test the high and look further into the trichome production of your flowers. Be sure to judge the taste and aroma of the buds, as these may also be desired traits when considering your selection.

 

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Read shit

Jan 10 2012, 9:34 am

Before everyone asks stupid questions maybe try reading around on the internet. the shit is all out there. put down bong, open eyes, read shit, pick up bong again.

Bill

Dec 21 2011, 10:53 am

I just did my first cloning and my mother plant has three leaves that have turned brown should I be concerned.
Thank You

gzmodude

Aug 30 2011, 8:56 pm

i've got seeds from singleseeds.com from here, i killed 4 out of 5 (newbie) but am delighted with the Medical 1023 seed that sprouted, just got 14 more seeds from them last week and cant wait to meet these ladies! ;)

plush

Nov 22 2010, 10:29 pm

on the comment before when sexing and you have your females and you turn the lite to full 24hrs to reveg . can you start cloning right then or should you wait a couple of weeks for revegetation

Zensation

Nov 8 2010, 4:24 am

Here is the link again to the sexiest bud ever!

http://www.ministryofcannabis.com/components/com_virtuemart/
shop_image/product/6f83dca8a2df847deb56ecf8de7478a7.jpg

Zensation

Nov 8 2010, 4:19 am

http://www.weedsthatplease.com/cloning.htm

A great step by step on how you should clone. One thing I hate about HT, they all act like scientist and then try to pass on knowledge arrogently, like a typical scientist.

Sexiest buds ever.
http://www.ministryofcannabis.com/components/com_virtuemart/shop_image/product/6f83dca8a2df847deb56ecf8de7478a7.jpg

clone bone

Nov 4 2010, 1:38 am

question: can you bring a clone from a flowering state back to vegging?

shaggy

Oct 19 2010, 4:27 pm

This takes a ton of thought and re-reading. But AWESOME thumbs UPPPPPPPPPPPPPP!!!!!!!!!!!!!

purple budman

Sep 9 2010, 6:48 pm

For clippings yous rockwell cubes er dirt. Dont keep them socked just moist. and keep them under light 24 hours a day even when growing.

PurpleBudman

Sep 9 2010, 6:44 pm

Yes you can trim top buds and let the bottom smallers ones get bigger.

SUGAHOOK96778

Aug 18 2010, 11:35 pm

If topping budded plant would it increase the buds on the buttom branches?

BONSKIES

Aug 1 2010, 12:31 am

you are all dumber than shit, just grow some fuckin weed, trial and error give it some time you'll be a pro

420spartan420

Jul 9 2010, 5:16 pm

Thank you to the ppl that give free good info, now when is best time to cut a clone from a mother, while light cycles on or off. and can some one offer me a cheap and easy way to get clipping to start to root. can clippings develop root fibers in just water with a bit of root stimulate. or is it better to use water and paper towel plus stimulate. how long should light be on clones when trying to get root to develop.

KEEP ON GROWIN

kawale.

Jun 30 2010, 4:33 pm

what are the dangers of cliping a clone off of a healthy 3 foot plant,will the plant die, and should i use clonex to stimulate root growth once i transfer the clone to soil.

man

Feb 23 2010, 12:39 am

where do you cut for cloning and at what week.

weed daddy

Dec 29 2009, 9:11 am

To Dopi.... they take a week to show growth... dont overwater, also add some roots excellerator and maybe some maxi crop, go slow and gentle...after two weeks u should see so
mthin !!

dopi

Nov 29 2009, 5:00 pm

why are my rooted clones not growing.
dont feed me no dumb bullshit

Buddy

Oct 30 2009, 11:06 am

Addressing the cloning question...
The best way to do it is to take a couple of clones from every plant to plan to flower before you turn the lights back. Mark every clone so that you can tell what mother it came from. Trash all male clones. By the time flowering is done and you can determine the phenotype you desire your clones will be big enough to take cutting from again. And the process continues.
Another way is to try to bring the desired plant back into the veg room after harvest. Load it up with Grow nutes, and give it 18 to 24 hrs of light. Within a couple of weeks it will begin to veg and clones can be taken from there. This can be a little problematic due to the stresss put on the plant. I have had awesome plants after harvest that I have done this way. I must reccomend cloning before flower first, but this will also work well with some TLC.

jonhneyk

Sep 24 2009, 7:07 am

does anyone even know what they are talkin about??? WOW....

cannibus kid

Sep 24 2009, 6:53 am

hey there to answer you'r question....noooo you cannot clip clones after they are BUD!!!before you trip ur lights,take a clip of you'r nicest plant!!!

J

Sep 21 2009, 9:50 pm

when do you know when to harverst your crop?

tree

Jul 26 2009, 5:28 pm

bingo. you'll know which of the one's still veggin are the ones to make more clones of. As with humans, only the females send the mitrocondreals? So 1 or 2 more generations of that winner may produce an entirely new phenotype! That's the one to make beans with.

tree

Jul 26 2009, 5:24 pm

that seems to be more efficient. You'll know the males from females, and you should see a winner making sun-block earlier than others n smell n such.

NE Ohio

Jul 23 2009, 9:16 am

Ok - now I'm a little confused. He says in this article AFTER flowering you will be able to notice the different characteristics of each plant and then you choose which one to clone. Here people are saying BEFORE flowering you clone - So - you have to wait until a CLONE flowers before you know the sex? I guess you can't take a clone from a plant that is flowering?

Here's my situation - I have 3 plants approx 25" tall (41 days), One I'm flowering (12/12) to check sex, the other 2 are in veg room (16/8). I also have 3 more starts - 2 weeks old (4") I'm planning on taking clones from first female I get and starting a 2 month cycle. Seems to me if you flower a fem, clone it, then continue to let it bud, it saves you the 5-6 weeks until you can bud the clone. Or, I might just go ahead and flower them all (TO CHECK FOR FEM) and try my luck with mail order seeds???

treehugger

Jul 4 2009, 6:59 am

gatorbait - this is done to deter height for width, and more branches/nodes/buds per plant. Go to the top of the page, and enter 'topping' in the search box.

But, with the Florida sun, I wouldn't bother (maybe just 1 pinch). Inside, with height restrictions, yes.

treehugger

Jul 4 2009, 6:53 am

2face - Assuming they're not dead already...Plant them!

2face

Jun 19 2009, 12:09 pm

I HAVE MY CLONES IN JAR FILLED WITH WATER TO KEEP THEM ALIVE NOW WHATS NEXT?

not me

May 16 2009, 12:29 am

I've never heard it called "topping" but i think your talking about Pruning. It increases your per plant yield. usually done after rooting clones off a mother and you cut off the newest growth tip rising from each stalk. Might seem like a cruel move but in a week you'll see two new growth tips in its place.... you can keep doing this week by week until you dont have any room left for growth tips and you'll have created yourself a little bush. granted it takes longer but its worth it

kushy

Apr 18 2009, 3:12 am

wierd my balls also itch...

Skips_a_lot

Apr 7 2009, 10:18 pm

I have a plant that is above all things a bute. I would
like to create more of it by cuttings or cloneing, but this
is where my no_knowledge comes into play. Can someone explane in non_tech easy to understand lingo what I need to do. The buds are growing already, it's a lone plant and has never been fed anything but water out of the tap. The shade leaves have produced a awsome flavor as well as lasting high with no cotton mouth or munchies effect. It would be great to have more seeing as the season is so young. It has been outdoors and is only 2 months old +/- a week. Thanks to all who can help me.

G. Howie Phartz

Apr 6 2009, 8:03 pm

My Balls Itch!!!

deagle510

Mar 31 2009, 1:07 am

yes it does matter you take cutting before flowering

lifted

Feb 28 2009, 8:15 pm

Guys, does it really matter that much? Before or after flowering.

Gator bait

Jan 26 2009, 5:33 pm

Hey, is there anyone out there that knows anything about "topping" your plants. A friend gave me some of his "best seeds" and I've got em growing. He said he's never heard of this practice. If you do this as part of the growing cycle, when do you do it and how much do you take off the top? I grow my own veggies and I have topped my corn just before the pollination cycle to increase the size of the ear, will topping my plants increase the size of the bud? My buddy would shit if my plants did better than his!!!

"Almost there"

stvst

Jan 19 2009, 8:27 am

take cuttings at pre-flower stage i say, cos re-vege may not take[least not for me].

weed420

Jan 13 2009, 1:52 am

what the fuck...i dont understand none of this..all i want to do is grow a couple plants couse i am tired of buying it. im high as fuck right now anyway...im going to sleep..haha

Top Cat

Jan 6 2009, 6:26 am

ok im thinkin bout growing im bout to move out here pretty quick to be by myself so i can do this, I have a few Q's for those of you that do it, do i use a grow box?and where do i get one?howmuch? and do you order seeds out of hightimes does that really work? and when u clone can u tell me step by step?? i only grow outside every other year but i know ppl here in IL that are indoor but they wont tell me how todo it, will some one let me in on all of it?

JonnyK

Dec 24 2008, 4:20 am

This is my most preferred method.


Grow from seed. veg all plants until Pre-flowers appear, and/or take a cutting very early and hope that it sexes under 12/12 before your moms pre flowers show. Get ride of males, take clones from females. Label all clones accordingly, and put them directly under 12/12. As they flower, keep your moms healthy.Once the clones are picked and smoked, decide which one was your favorite.Then you can decide what you want to do.grow all of them and just keep that one pheno as a had stash and get rid of the rest, or, just grow that one, and kill the other two mothers, but why waste...At this point you can just take new clones and make new mothers every time you take all the mothers branches.

big hairy bud

Dec 15 2008, 6:20 pm

one can take clones prior but alot of work for alot of plants you may not want..one can reveg what he likes then clone ..no big deal it will work either way clone first and label or reveg then clone. ive done both both work..ive even grafted two of my favorite plants into one.

okk

Dec 8 2008, 9:08 pm

i didnt get it either thanks for clearing that up

thecannabiskid

Dec 8 2008, 4:27 pm

JAy what i would do is lable the plants that look like they will make a good mom. Then take clones while still in veg. and lable the clones. Flower the mom plants, find the best one, keep only the clones from that plant (ur best-fav plant), and kill-cull the rest. im not sure that u can take clones after u have started to flower plants, although iv never tryed. this is the way i would go about chosing a cuting, from the best of the best.

jay Are F...

Nov 1 2008, 7:57 pm

hard for a nubbie when the writer didn,t explain that you had to takes clones after the start of flowering ..could leave a person scratchin,his head wondering how to grow more from a pheno that was grown out and smoked...

killamillafilla

Oct 1 2008, 2:56 am

this article is the shit! I finally got some purple kush clones and crossed them with the only male purple wreck plant from eleven DNA genetics seeds...heh...not even feminised...hehehe...but out of twenty killa babies we got some squat fat buggers and some truely purple buggers too, but hallelujah...one splendid lightning fast finisher..46 dayo's...the most incredible fruity/skunky/hashy nuggets i've ever grew! This is the most awesome mother a connoisseur grower could be blessed with ever! They all topped out at five foot and over four o's of treasure each...too were so fat (10 oz dried) that i used my old bamboo fishin' poles for support of the emormous side branches...ehhhh...but at 72 days on the ave to finish, those buggers got smoked! Foxfarm soil,grow big,tiger bloom,H2O,3X 400w hps,2X 250w mh, three dyi aeroponic cloners/vegetaters and lots of lovin'...voila' eleventy-one perfectly cured o's and a fruit of the gods mother...i'm in bliss!

captian crunch 420

Sep 4 2008, 2:54 am

hey everyone luv high times alot get alot of good input on cultivation and i take in all of it as they say their are more then one way to grow but i was wondering if anyone has bought any seeds from the sites on here i was lookin at the dutch seed company and i seen a couple different strains i would luv to get but im not gonna pay money on sumthin i wont ever get because i live in the usa im not sure that they will be able to send me seeds if i ordered can anyone tell me if that site is legit??? my other question is i was lookin at the strains and sum strains cost more then 160 dollars for ten seeds and other strains cost only 50 dollars wat is the difference is the cheaper strains as good or is it a hoax to make u spend money to get bad seeds or just rip u off of ur money if any one who has experiance in buying from sum of these seed banks that live in the usa i would greatly apreciate ur helping hand and if u could post to me sum good legit seed banks to get good seeds and if i got to pay more to make sure i get good seeds i will gladly do so i just dont want to get got.....

cannabisking

Jun 30 2008, 4:04 pm

that bongabong person is a fucking stupid retard who don't know jack shit about growing cannabis and that guy should burn in hell, because he is so retarded and probably smokes straight shitty ass, shwaggy, poop dick weed.

wizard of oz

Jun 22 2008, 7:51 am

The authors right. Label the plants at the end of fruition, eg SS 1,2 and 3 ; SB 1,2 and 3. Harvest plants leaving enough green for re-vegetation. Put light on 24 hr cycle and dry the buds, smoke 'em and make your choice out of the reveg females. not a problem. cheers from oz.

Tom Norris

Jun 18 2008, 10:59 am

look i think your all stoned!!!

indicadan

Jun 18 2008, 12:29 am

are you sure you have a female? It sounds like you're growing a male.

bad nuggs

Jun 13 2008, 3:06 pm

my nuggs are looking funny . they look like seed pods all over. almost like little upside down flowers. its weird doesnt look dense at all. is it a bad batch..

PapaDank

Jun 7 2008, 2:15 am

STONED TO THE BONE:
Nice catch. You are 100% right.

bongabong

May 29 2008, 8:24 pm

hey jasonberlin.com

You are one of those fuckheads who gives smokers a bad name. Your site is full of stupid SHIT- obviously the range of your fukn intelligence. People, Don't bother looking at his stupid link - you'll probably get phished anyway or you'll end up with a demon on your computer that steals all your personal info. It's idiotic sites like yours that are jamming up the www.

jasonberlin.com

May 28 2008, 3:29 pm

If you ARE stoned to the bone and get pulled over - here's the perfect thing to do:

http://web.mac.com/jason.berlin/Site/Blogscht
/Entries/2008/5/27_What_To_Do_When_A_Cop_Pulls_You_Over.html

You're welcome!

Also check out Hippie Doctor:
http://web.mac.com/jason.berlin/Site/Jason_Berlins_Sketch_Comedy_
Podcast%21/Entries/2008/2/28_Hippie_Doctor%2C_M.D..html

kones

May 28 2008, 2:35 am

Dude, you are dead on. Taking clones before the flowering is Grow 101, who the hell is this guy? Is he retarded?

Stoned to the Bone

May 21 2008, 11:22 pm

I think the author of this article left out one of the most important steps. Before you flower the plants clones need to be taken and labeled, so you can later identify them with their parnt plant. From these clones a mothers should be kept, after you decide which parent plants have the traits you desire.

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