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THE GROW SHOW - CHOOSING THE RIGHT LIGHT

Our resident GROW expert is a member of the 600-watt club.

Tue, Apr 19, 2005 11:37 am


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story & photos by Kyle Kushman
It's obvious that high-intensity discharge lamps (HIDs) are the choice for anyone serious about indoor horticulture. It's also unanimously believed that high-pressure sodium (HPS) is the best overall light when deciding between HPS and metal halide (MH). Lately, I've found myself defending my choice of 600-watt lights over thousands of watts. I'm convinced that 600s are the best option for indoor gardeners.
That more watts or lumens equals higher yields is absolutely true. But bigger isn't always better. Thousand-watt lights are not for amateurs. If your grow space is 150 square feet or more, you'll probably want to utilize 1,000s. But if you're growing primarily for yourself and would like to save electricity, then consider what 600s can do. (Four-hundred-watt lamps are out of the question for any serious bud production.)

Forty percent less heat means that the lights can be 40 percent closer to your plants without burning them. This alone cuts the difference in efficiency between the 1,000-watt and 600-watt lamps nearly in half. The placement of lights—especially always maintaining the perfect height in relation to your plants—is essential to extracting maximum yield. The highest yields and densest buds come when lights are kept close as possible. During times of peak growth, you should adjust the lamp height every day. Set-it-and-forget-it growers should stick with 1,000-watters.

Twelve inches or closer to the plant tops is recommended with 600-watt bulbs, though the distance will vary somewhat depending on your ability to cool the lamps and the surrounding area. After colas form, back off an additional 4 to 6 inches to prevent scorching. Once plants and root systems are established, blast the plants with light. Intense light is the key to developing close internodal spacing during vegging and early flowering.

Multiple points of light ("inversion lighting") will encourage the entire plant into rapid photosynthesis more efficiently. More direct light comes into contact with all parts of the plant, resulting in faster growth rates and more developed buds. Believe it or not, more lights with lower wattage actually produce higher yields.

Initially, it costs more to purchase five 600-watt ballasts than three 1,000s. Using less wattage is obviously cheaper, but the reduction in the heat produced adds to the electrical savings by reducing cooling requirements. In case of a blistering heat wave, you'll have the flexibility to cycle some lights off without leaving large portions of the growroom in the dark.

Amazing as it sounds, with 600 watts it's possible to reap 80% or more of the yield you can get with a 1,000-watter. The only drawback is that nobody makes switchables or metal halides in 600 watts. A good conversion bulb by either Sunmaster or Solar Max will fix that. Check out the Gavita 600-watt HPS lamp with built-in reflector. I rated it the Best HID Lamp in the 2002 STASH Awards.

The inversion-lighting method depends heavily on the proper positioning of the lights. A good reflector is also essential to extracting efficiency from any lamp. Air-cooling your lights can help you to gain tangible control over environmental conditions, which is essential to maximizing any grow.

So you still think you need a little more juice than a 600-watter can provide? Hybridize your lighting by hanging a 1,000-watt MH among three or four 600-watt HPS lamps. Trust me when I say that blending HPS and MH at a ratio of 3 to 1 is the ultimate equation. Combining the two lamps yields higher-density buds than HPS alone.

Overkill is okay with fans, filters and general safety precautions, but not when it comes to wasting electricity and dealing with added heat buildup. Six hundreds are excellent, efficient lamps; so are 1,000s. But the truth is, with a little extra attention, three 600s will yield as much and possibly more than two 1,000s. As will six to four—same yield, less power.


READ THE FULL ARTICLE IN THE JUNE 2005 ISSUE OF HIGH TIMES


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KMKOtownblazer

Apr 28 2008, 5:11 pm

craig is tyhe fuckin shit so fuck all u haters

i dont know

Apr 2 2008, 2:33 pm

i dont know what i have, i have never grown before it isnt inside i baught my land and found bud growing in the back woods its every where and i pulled a few plants that were to close to my kids play area and there were sack looking things under them almost like bulbs or something can anyone advise me.

jordan

Dec 8 2007, 8:28 pm

my plant is about 8in tall and ive had it under a blue floricent, i have a 600something watt high spressure sodium and i dont know how big they should be before i put the big light on them. please help

Ckash

Dec 7 2007, 11:55 pm

I have a 150 watt HPS Lighting System in my grow room of two plants. how close to the plants should i put my light?

Russian Science

Aug 22 2007, 5:10 am

Hey...I have a questrion...when i turn my light off during the sicle...do i need to keep the fans on or whould i turn them off...till i turn trhe light back on???

Scarlett

Dec 12 2006, 9:55 pm

How can you find someone in your area to set up a grow room like CRAIG does? Is there any way to do so?

?????

Nov 6 2006, 4:28 pm

so is it bad to have a high electricy bill like 200-300??

anotheranonymousgrower

Oct 21 2006, 10:17 am

I have to disagree with the line in the article that states 400W lights are out of the question for any serious bud production.

A single 400W isn't much good for anything serious, but multiple 400W lamps are the cat's ass. I use 6 of them on an 8' x 4' scrog. Do the math, it's 75W/sq ft!! Then I've got the whole scrog surrounded with mylar laminated reflector panels that extend all the way up to the lights, and I pump CO2 in from the back of a 6" duct fan suspended from a light mover track above the scrog.( I move the fan, not the lights) It's the only fan in the room and it stirs up the air around the plants with CO2 enriched air. No oscillating fans needed. No dried out fan leaves from fan burns either. The room is sealed and I don't vent unless it hits 90 degrees in there.

This may not be as energy efficient as 4 of the 600W lamps, but I can get the lights closer to the plants and I have a much more even light spread over the whole scrog. Since my ballasts are not in the same room as the reflectors, I don't generate any more heat than the 600 watters that I would have to expend energy to cool.

Yep, it probably costs a little more more to run 6 of the 400 watters than it would to run 4 of the 600 watters, but I think that the better light spread and the lack of hot spots across the scrog rack pays off.

I had a 1000 on a mover and 2 400W lights fixed at each end of the scrog before. I saw nice buds on the ends under the 400s and a mohawk style stripe of nice buds down the middle under the 1000. Everything else along the long edges of the scrog was kind of ho-hum. The more even light distribution will fix this problem.

My opinion is that more smaller lights are better than fewer larger lights. It costs more to set up, it costs more to run, but it's worth it.

I still have my 1000 watters on another grow, but I don't expect nearly as much from the 2 1000 watters as I do from the 6 400 watters.

LINDAHELPMEGROW

Aug 12 2006, 1:46 am

i HAVE A MERCURY VAPOR BULB
cAN THIS BE USED FOR GROWING?
AND WHAT WATTAGE IS NECESSARY?
PLEASE HELP!

special guest

Jun 23 2006, 8:26 am

Hey Craig, Was that license issued somewhere in Kentucky?

special guest

Jun 23 2006, 8:23 am

It is my opinion that some of you people need hooked on phonics more than you need grow info..

Scotty

Jun 17 2006, 12:32 am

They now have a 200w compact flouresent that works great.
1.Doesn't use as much eletricty.

2.Doesn't get as hot as a H.I.D. Lamp and it is self ballasted.

3.It is equal to a M.H. 400
!.

2SHAY

May 14 2006, 10:08 pm

MY BUDS ARE ABOUT 90 TO 110 DAYS OLD AN FROM TIME TOO TIME THEY TEND TOO FOLD IN KIND SHERVEL UP ON ME AN THE LEAVES ARE TURNING BROWN ON THE TIPS. I JUTS PUT THEM IN BIGGER POTS YET I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO FEED THEM IT'S MY FIRST HARVEST AND I'D LIKE TO SEE THEM GROW TO FULL GROWN IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN SO HIT ME OFF WITH SOME SECRETS PLEASE...

Craig

Jan 12 2006, 8:44 pm

sorry bermie boy, there is call for name giving, and I do appologize in advance to any one offended.

ok..the Critic, obviously you have NEVER grown indoors at all, and Obviously you are not even fit to comment on this thread. you must be the biggest fuck wit out because I will tell you this....any where you can hang a 400 you can fit a 600. your bud will be bigger..Because you are putting twice as many lumins you stupid fuck. Like I said if you had any idea at all.
my 600 cost the same as my 400 and if you are getting HPS globes for $10.....then they are not the right ones, they will work great on a basketball court...but for growing...you need the right globes to put out the choice heads.
any one who would make a comment like you have cant possibly KNOW anything, so shut ya fuckin gob

oh..by the way...I am an air conditioning tech with an electrical liscence.....I specialize in eviromental control....In other words, I build grow rooms for a living, and I am pretty fuckin good at to if I do say so my self.

go back to growing with flouros you IDIOT

Bermieboy

Jan 10 2006, 11:00 pm

You may be right but is there a need for the name calling ??

the critic

Dec 11 2005, 6:49 pm

this guy is full of shit. 400 watts is perfect for the average home grower. 600 watt bulbs are astronomical in price. i can buy 400 watt hps bulbs for 10 bux. 600 watt bulbs cost 4 to 6 times as much per bulb. 1000 watt bulbs are 1/3 the price of 600 watt bulbs. so kiss my ass pal. you don't know dick. how did you get the job anyway? probably someone's brother.... dickhead

Maestro Potter

Sep 7 2005, 2:59 pm

i recently came home from a short break in amsterdam, to answer "seeds?" i brought back 20 Durban poison and 20 White Widow seeds i spent about 120 euros for the lot so it was quite cheap for the amount i think but if your over in USA then u'd have to take into consideration delivery prices and stuff. good luck in your honourable quest

worried

Aug 29 2005, 9:12 am

hi guys , just to lt you know that i finally bought a 250w hps and now i am thanking god for it. 4 girls under it well hidden in wardrobe, well ventilated, and at this point, each plant has at least 1 on. where i am from 1 on cost about 140 $ can. so the lamp cost me 150$ can. so now i am like 500$ over.... the point is dont you fucking loose your time with fluo or blacklight or house bulb... throw a buck or two and you will not regret it.

seeds?

Aug 29 2005, 4:50 am

im in need of some killer seeds.
how do i get them and how much should i pay?

91 blazer

Aug 25 2005, 11:44 pm

i planted a bombola seed my mom gave me a couple weeks ago,its about 3 or 4 inches.i made a box for it 3x3x5 made out of styrofoam and foil.what watt light bulb should i use?for now im using a regular 75watt.i an't that knew to this i grew a couple plants in my years, but i was wondering about how long exactly is it before it budz.
hit me up if you know
- blaze on!!!

grow vergin

Aug 13 2005, 2:06 pm

could someone tell me the avrage price of a 600 watt converson bulb. nice one.

lil player

Aug 7 2005, 5:56 pm

Well im new at this shit n im using BlackLights. what tips can u give me bout these becus i herd they will work good but im not sure. what is the best light i can use n were should i be able to get it at???

bent2be

Jul 24 2005, 5:21 pm

dirtysouth...i beg to differ,

just started, save your money and just get a HPS it covers both spectrums(true it's alittle more in the red than a MH but it really doesn't make that much of a difference) and you don't have to buy 2 different light systems or buy a conversion system. just make sure you keep the light as close to the tops of the plants as possible but without burning them.
as long as you have enough lumens blasting your plants vegging and internodal growth will be no problem, you'll get a bushy plant with dense buds. also HPS gives off LESS heat than a MH so it'll be easier to keep the room cool and you can keep it closer the the plants.

DirtySouth

Jul 23 2005, 4:48 pm

When they pop out of the growing medium, go with constant light. Light needs to be MH not HPS. HPS is for flowering. You need to Veg them first.

just started, help!

Jul 21 2005, 5:31 pm

just planted 15 seeds 10 hollands hoop, 5 white widow. I have a 5' X 4' 16' high closet in my garage with ventilation & cool air supply. I have a 600W HPS light, when do I begin constant light

DeltaNine

Jul 21 2005, 7:26 am

You should be ok growing in that space with vho, paint the inside of the room white(not gloss) or use mylar to maximise the light output. Also i wouldnt grow the plants more that 3 - 3 1/2 foot, keep the light as close to the tops as possible. As to air flow, you need it!! I had small setup and used a fan from an old pc power supply, something like that would be suitable.

green thumb

Jul 11 2005, 10:55 pm

in my oppinion u need at least a 1000w HPS to grow a plant to its full potential plus it makes it better for budding .

worried

Jul 10 2005, 4:21 pm

hi guys i have 3 plants in a small closet 2f x 3f x 5f i am using right now fluo light and i plan on buying hvo ballast wich shoulg give me abou 220w... the good thing is that they dont produce heat and since i dont have any air flow in there... what do you think..

DirtySouth

Jul 3 2005, 3:01 pm

Funny, no one has mentioned using any Mylar and drape off the plants to get more reflection back to the plants. I use a 400W Switchable, in a area 2'x2'x60 (enclosed with mylar) and have 5 to 6, 3/12 - 4 ft plants consistantly putting out great yields, and no skimpy buds either.

skibum

Jun 16 2005, 4:29 pm

its june i just started for outside !! how do i determine male from female an early detection!!??????????

Big Bad

Jun 13 2005, 4:49 am

60 plants in approximately a 6x10 room. Should I stay with the 2 1000 watt hps lights that get the room up in the 90's or should I switch to 3- 600 watters? And will this affect the yield or quality of the buds?

Talon

Jun 12 2005, 9:51 pm

Hey Hass HPS means high pressure sodium and MH stands for metal halide. Thought you would know that but since you didn't I thought I would teach you...........

bill

Jun 12 2005, 3:10 pm

Does anyone have all last years issues of High times?
I would like to read all The Grow Show articles.Can you scan them or shoot digital photos, and post them somewhere, put up a link or something.

sparky

Jun 8 2005, 6:11 pm

go to insidesun.com for the
best prices on lighting. econo versions are used.

Baddevil9669@comcast.net

May 25 2005, 11:36 pm

Where can i get some grow lights at low prices?

Hass

May 18 2005, 11:56 pm

What does HPS + MH stand for. As far as lighting is concerned

ganj king

May 15 2005, 7:41 pm

50w / sq foot

tdp420

May 14 2005, 1:34 am

Just got 400w hps/mh what size of space is it capable of lighting plan on putting mylar to reflect the light. have a 5'x5' space and two vents 1 intake 1 exhaust. How many plant should i start to produce maximum yield just using 400w hps/ms?

ganj king

May 13 2005, 8:00 pm

just read all the FAQ's and forums at overgrow.com or some other growing website.. they are real helpful. the FAQ section of overgrow has great tips.. same with everything on this site.. just follow directions exactly

Old dogg

May 13 2005, 11:37 am

da ganj king Thank you for your reply.I have been keeping it on 24. I just got "Alaska fish fertilizer"
5-1-1 remembered reading that I needed a higher 1st number for veg state. My plants have been under the light for almost a week now.Growth is happening but seems to be slow.Any other hints?

flip

May 12 2005, 6:05 pm

when do you top the plants and how

da ganj king

May 11 2005, 10:56 pm

wtf! you dont know your light cycles at all.

24-0 for veg (maybe 22-2 because of heat)
USE MH bulb

12/12 or 16/8 for flower
USE HPS bulb

simple.

smelly head

May 11 2005, 2:23 am

old dogg, yeah your gonna wanna switch to the 12 on 12 off light cycle if thats what your talking about. and then 6 on 18 off once it starts budding im pretty sure. check some online grow guides too, they got some stuff in the brains department

old dogg

May 9 2005, 10:09 pm

It is switchable. I have it on mh right now for vegetation.

Sativa

May 9 2005, 8:51 pm

Old dogg, you need much help, unfortunately I need to shit and im 'not' coming back to give you insight.

Sativa

May 9 2005, 8:49 pm

-old dogg

Is it a MH or HPS? Make up ur mind

old dogg needin help

May 9 2005, 8:31 pm

just got my 450 watt mh/hps light in. My babies are about 2 to 3 inches tall.At this stage in the game is it better to give them as much light as possible or should I start on a 12/12 cycle?

tomisalami

May 9 2005, 4:02 pm

I grow 4 5gal. buckets in my bathtub with 4or5 plants per bucket. I have 3 400hps lights plus one 95watt envirolight for full spectrum. I cool with 3 fans that helps heat my house. One light is above the plants and two are on the sides facing the tub. Way good results.

Old Dogg

May 8 2005, 11:22 pm

just got my 450 watt mh/hps light in. My babies are about 2 to 3 inches tall.At this stage in the game is it better to give them as much light as possible or should I start on a 12/12 cycle?

pablo escobar tha third

May 8 2005, 10:33 pm

no dout about it 1000 watters is way to go for me ive tryd 600s but they just dont give the biggest dens buds that im looking 4 i want big buds not some scraggly ass erb ya no

mIu4ea

May 8 2005, 9:15 pm

I am currently looking for a 600 Watt system. I didn't see any shopping info in Kyles article. Some included sources would have been helpful. How about a followup Kyle ???

miss-spelt

May 6 2005, 9:42 am

to the guy who said that 80% efechency was imposible to obtain, your right but the artical said your yeild not the efecency. so think about the words used befor you critisize and then you conformed to what he said dont be a...
and the guy who said outside is best but he starts inside then moves to a green house well thats a nice way of doing things and probly one of the best even tho it takes longer. but greenhouses are a controled inviroment its not outside like you clame it just utilizes the sun light. your plants dont get rained on wind dont blow em unless you want it to that aint outdoors. out doors is in a feild or back yard

Smart Ass

May 6 2005, 12:23 am

Funny, I was damn sure the Highest Court in the Land determined the thermal imagers couldn't be used without a warrant!! Quoted from the supreme court case Kyllo vs United states as found on the pages of The Cornell University site "The newly minted rule encompasses “obtaining [1] by sense-enhancing technology [2] any information regarding the interior of the home [3] that could not otherwise have been obtained without physical intrusion into a constitutionally protected area … [4] at least where (as here) the technology in question is not in general public useThe newly minted rule encompasses “obtaining [1] by sense-enhancing technology [2] any information regarding the interior of the home [3] that could not otherwise have been obtained without physical intrusion into a constitutionally protected area … [4] at least where (as here) the technology in question is not in general public use" or in Laymens terms "police must obtain a search warrant before using an infrared heat-detecting device to peer into a person’s home" as quoted from the pages of The Journal of Cognitive Liberties on the same case. It can be viewed here http://www.cognitiveliberty.org/6jcl/6JCL83.htm or you can find a detailed report on Cornell's website at Cornell.edu.

green crack

May 5 2005, 4:44 pm

i have a 100 watt hps lamp for to plants is that ok anyone

terminalinsanity

May 4 2005, 5:15 pm

-------
UNCLE JUNIOR on Wed 20, Apr 2005 13:15
BECAUSE OF THIEVES,I AM DOING MY 1ST INDOOR.I JUST GOT A COMPLETE 1000W (HPS+MH SET-UP)
ANY GOOD TIPS OUT THERE.
-------

Yeah... Make sure you set your capslock key in the off position, before you post again.

Southern Pride

May 2 2005, 11:44 pm

I have to disagree with growing outdoors being the best. If you know what you're doing and do it well, you can't beat indoor organic growing. Better flavor, better yieeld, just plain better. Hydro all the way. I'll put my girls up against anything grown outside. It would be hard enough for any indoor method to beat mine as well. Damn I'm just that good ! :)

tango city Bs. As

May 2 2005, 8:43 pm

Nothing better than, grow on your backyard, love fromo atgentina.......... GAZ

Jimmy's last comment

May 1 2005, 3:22 am

I would love to grow outside.. but i live in the middle of the city in a basement apartment.

I have got my grow set up now.. the space is a tiny 18" x 18" x 28" high. i have a 400w HPS in there. The light is totally sealed and has a fresh air intake vented to outside the chamber. the exhaust is hooked up to 2 huge bathroom fans venting out of the chamber. The veg chamber is 18" x 18" x 22" high and has a 250W metal halide sealed and vented the same as the hps. The chamber is an old deepfreeze... i have been running it now with hps on 12/12 and the mh on 24/0.. with the temp below 80`f there is also a bathroom fan circulating the air in the grow chambers. Sooin i will get a air filter and vent the air around the plants to the outside like the lights. I just open the door now and then to get some fresh air in.

theloadeddragon

May 1 2005, 1:32 am

it doesn't matter how many watts your lights are, nothing beats the sun, some patients, and a little THC, I mean TLC :). Though I do start mine inside, and then move them into greenhouses. Mother nature knows best eh?

Pjammer

Apr 29 2005, 11:50 pm

yo, jimmy ,
A little cabinet w/ a 150w
sodium is fine for a little
bit... But GO FOR IT DUDE.
git the 600.Don't wast time
w/ a bunch of little lites.
Unless maybee 1 plant w/ a
lite on every side.


Just my $0.02

ripper

Apr 29 2005, 4:03 pm

Lumens you want. Heat you don't. Tanks

jimmy

Apr 29 2005, 3:59 am

"the police choppers use inferd-red to locate spacific heate points in house's to find moast grow rooms with (HID)lighting sestems. (just a comment)"

- but my oven puts out more radient heat than my 2 250w HID lights ... So i hope i dont get busted one day baking a cake.

MKM

Apr 28 2005, 9:06 pm

the police choppers use inferd-red to locate spacific heate points in house's to find moast grow rooms with (HID)lighting sestems. (just a comment)

chigs

Apr 28 2005, 4:44 pm

i want to use 400w for small walk in waredrobe will this be enough light for 5-6 plants?

girl with green

Apr 28 2005, 3:07 am

I think 400W is perfect if you're not willing to turn yourself into an HVAC nerd to install the fans necessary for hotter lamps.

calibuds:)

Apr 27 2005, 2:52 pm

what the fuck?!

perro malo

Apr 26 2005, 11:55 pm

what yeild can one expect.using 600hps glavita buld and an electonic ballasts in 4x4 ebb and flo.set up growing ak-47

jimmy

Apr 25 2005, 7:45 pm

no one answered my question. would 2x300 w = 1 x 600w? what about spreading out 5 or 6 150w lights around some plants? would this be more efficient than one 600w bulb above the plants?

to the kyle doubter

Apr 22 2005, 10:41 pm

in the fallowing artical never once did i read anything about producing a small yeild. maby if you dont have the cash to buy a reel grow system then resort to a
400 watt light. in my book you grow big or grow home. 600 watt lights are way more efficent. so to all you 400 watt lovers step it up a noch
and spend a little bit more cash. you can yeild 8 lbs in 80 days.

dongenero

Apr 22 2005, 12:13 pm

I use a 250 watt hps for personal use growing. In a grow space 2'x 2'x 6' I can easily fit 3 plants that will yield 1.5 - 2 ounces each of nice buds.

Much less electricity use (not that that is such a concern) and much less heat to deal with.

I'm sure a 600 would produce a better yield of larger buds but it's not like the 250 is making wispy little flourescent buds by any means.

Doubting Kyle

Apr 22 2005, 2:35 am

To say that 400 watrs of HPS can't obtain any real bud is another prime example of Kyle's lack luster grow advice. I can easliy obtain 8-10 ozs of QUALITY medicinal mj from just 3 plants and a single 400 HPS. LST and manipulation of the canopy can obtain awesome reults for the homegrower.

Proper tech and care of the rootsystems increase yeilds as well, not just lighting. Give some decent info Kyle, not this half baked commercial grow advice.

imtired

Apr 20 2005, 10:44 pm

what kind of grow space are we talking with all these high-powered bulbs

organic mechanic

Apr 20 2005, 8:00 pm

Why not use half the amount of lamps and use movers(rails). Multi directional lighting combined with less heat will allow lamps to stay 12 inches or closer. Who has the time to be adjusting lamps when there is so much work to do!Happy 420- O.M.

imtired

Apr 20 2005, 6:52 pm

happy 420 everyone!

--peace--

chronic

Apr 20 2005, 4:00 pm

250watttops with 2 secondary halogen that come from the bottom mother of god its 420

godbless

jimmy

Apr 20 2005, 3:36 pm

So more 600's are better than 1000 .. why couldnt i just get like 12 400w bulbs... i have piles of 400w HPS sitting here from an industrial application

UNCLE JUNIOR

Apr 20 2005, 1:15 pm

BECAUSE OF THIEVES,I AM DOING MY 1ST INDOOR.I JUST GOT A COMPLETE 1000W (HPS+MH SET-UP)
ANY GOOD TIPS OUT THERE.

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