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ELECTRICITY BASICS

ABCs: How to keep the juice flowing and buds growing.

by Nico Escondido

Mon, Nov 27, 2006 3:28 pm

more: nico escondido, grow articles, indoor, beginners guide, december 2006

By Graham Fisher (a.k.a. Nico Escondido)

Many indoor growers, especially the small-time hobbyist or closet enthusiast, begin their grow operation focusing on strains, systems and lights, without considering one of the most important aspects of the growroom: electricity. Understanding the basics of electricity will help you harness this essential facet of cultivation.

Why Power Is Important
Light is the plant’s most essential food, and it’s essential for the indoor grower to know about lumens. The term lumens (light density) refers to the amount of light that hits your grow surface. The more lumens reaching your plants the better, and because of this, many growers focus on how many lights they can fit in their grow space without going above optimal temperature thresholds. The number of lights you can use is dictated by your power supply.

For the grower’s purpose in exploring electricity, we’ll look specifically at lighting (i.e., the number of lights per area and the juice you’ll need to power them). In order to do this, it’s necessary to understand just how much electricity is needed to power each individual light.

How Much Power Do I Need?
Amperes, or amps, are the units used in measuring electric current. The more amps a device draws, the more electricity it is using. Refrigerators, hair dryers and dishwashers all use high amounts of amps compared to regular household appliances. Grow lamps use a lot of amps as well.

A simple way to figure out how much electricity is needed for your lights is to use the standard formula: watts/volts = amps.

Assuming that you’re living in the United States, which supplies its electric current at 120 volts, you then simply divide the number of watts of your light by the voltage to figure out how many amps your light will pull. So, if you’re running a single 1,000-watt high-pressure sodium (HPS) lamp on a standard 120-volt line—and keeping in mind that the ballasts on these lamps cause an intentional voltage drop, so that a ballast wired for a 120-volt current will draw only 110 volts—the equation would look like this: 1,000 watts/110 volts = 9.09 amps.

240 Volts vs. 120 Volts
Voltage is the pressure, or electrical potential, of electricity. The US standard is 120 volts, but Europe and Canada both run on 240 volts.
The biggest difference here as far as growers are concerned is that the more voltage you have, the less current you need to achieve the same power. Simply put, if you double your voltage, you’ll draw half the amperage. This not only saves the grower money when the electricity bill comes, but it also frees up a great deal of extra power to run more lights and equipment.

A common misconception is that a 240-volt current is unavailable in the US. This is false: Many industrial sites and even homes have a 240-volt current feeding them. This is possible as long as an electrician can run a high-gauge main line from the street to the site. However, many indoor growers either don’t have this option or, lacking a legitimate front, opt against it, as this sometimes draws unwanted suspicion to covert grow ops.

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Jam Man

Nov 5 2008, 10:52 am

First of all I want to let you know that I am really enjoying what I am reading here and know very little about growing plants. But I am learning. I am currently preparing a fairly large grow room and I realize that if I were to start today I would be way out of my depth. What I do know a little about is electricity.

You are correct many people are of a misconception regarding Voltage versus Amps. Every home in the US in this day and age has 240 volts feeding it. Although in some of the back country I have encountered some knob and tube wiring. (This can be identified by the outer layer of insulation falling off the wire and the wire hanging from insulator "knobs" in your basement) If you find this type, then before you start your operation you need to upgrade. It would be a real attention getter if your grow room put your home up in flames.

Most of your ballasted lights can be obtained in voltages that range from 110 to 480. Lowering your amparage will most often lower the heat produced as well. This doesn't mean that you can run out and get a 480 volt light fixture or wiring for such, and the 208 and 277 volt lights are produced from a 3 phase (Delta) system that would definatly raise eyebrows if you tried to run it to your house. (Though I have seen it done before).
The best thing is if you are doing this your self would be to remain with what you are comfortable with. Identify what you currently have on each circuit and if need to run another one. It is a good idea to also feel the wire if it feels warm or you see discoloration it is time to lighten the load on the circutit. Or you can always call an electrician and tell him that you would like to have a 240 volt outlet installed (near where you grow room is)for an air conditioner or heating unit that you are going to have delivered next week and they said that it would require 20 amps. Sometimes the concern is as much how much room you have in your panel.

Once again I want to thank you so much for your information and Ihope that what little I have to contribute here not only helps in your production but also keeps you and your family safe.

the DUDE

Oct 25 2008, 10:18 pm

im thinking about getting a 400w sunleaves pulsar two way mini lamp, just for some personal,how much will this raise my electricity bill if i pay 11 cents kwh

mike

Jul 26 2008, 6:30 pm

no here is how electricity works I plug in the light and flip the switch..............

weed daddy

Jul 11 2008, 12:30 pm

Well, there are a few of you who do know the truth about electicity... but I would stongly advise you to talk to an electrician... it is very easy to run 1,000 watt lamps off of the dryer circuit... etc.. take care and party on :-)

badabing

May 29 2008, 8:47 pm

to "THE GRINCH"

Just what this world needs - more filthy theiving dogs such as yourself. When you get caught stealing, and YOU WILL, someone is going to beat the living crap out of you and I hope you bleed from your arse you low peice of shit. Who are YOU calling lazy?Get a FUKN J O B!!!

master electrician

May 15 2008, 3:46 pm

actually, this article is fairly accurate, though a lot is left unexplained. for those of you claiming the 240v won't save you money, well, you're wrong. it does, but not for the reasons you might expect.

at 240v the current is much higher and thus more electricity reaches it's destination. see, when current travels, much of it is lost to heat conversion through the lines... but you still pay for that lost juice. if you use 120v the loss is even greater. so in actuality, 240v saves money. depending on how big you're going, it could add up!

also, while it is true that 240 is available in the US, you'd be hard pressed to find any homes these days pre-wired for that voltage. i don't think the author claims it is unavailable, just doesn't say that it is - probably because the magazine doesn't want any liability for telling growers to go ahead an rewire their grow rooms.

really a great piece though, wish THE FULL STORY WAS AVAILABLE ONLINE!

oh yea

Mar 8 2008, 9:49 am

indoor growing is not for cheap ass people....first thing i learned it costs a little to gain a lot so yea get used to paying that electric regardless or use solar power

new 2 this

Mar 8 2008, 9:46 am

new to this but we use a 1000 watt metal halide and keeping it on 18hrs a day raised my bill like 75$ a month...lol no1 needs that big of a light im sure...not unless ur growing the amazon in ur basement..lol

QUE

Oct 24 2007, 10:49 pm

With all the discussion about electricity. Can anyone explain to me the pros and cons of using a T5(6- 4ft bulbs) lighting system with interchangable bulbs(Veg/flowering) VS. 400/600 watt HID/HS systems for a 4 x 4 grow tent?

hopeful harvest

Jun 26 2007, 1:04 am

hey hueman i just might be travelin your way next week to check out some light shops

Hopeful Harvest

Jun 26 2007, 1:00 am

i am a 1st time grower and ordered indoor outdoor growers bible from u know hoo. is it the right choice to use a 400watt hid light in a 4x5 area for vegative & flowering.still waiting on seeds that will probably never come.but hopeful

Buddy Lee

May 29 2007, 1:11 am

I thought the common laundry room has 240(well 220) running into it for the washer and dryer.
so you could opt for a over/under wash/dryer and use the remainging socket for your needs.if i'm totally wrong please be patient and understanding in your reply

erik

May 21 2007, 9:25 pm

i need some HELP!! im starting a in door plant i went to the hardwear store a bought a florecent light set up for indorr plant growth it has tow 40watt lights is this gowing to work? or do i need more watts? i have planted it in poting soil can anyone help me out

electrician

May 16 2007, 1:06 am

Your article is doo doo. if you took a voltmeter and checked your electrical service (not reccomended) you'd find that it is 240/120volts (NOT CURRENT) and if you checked all 500 million U.S. residential service boxes (not reccomended) you'd likely find 240/120 volts as well. 480 is used for industrial as well as 240 and 277. Also a 1000 watt lightbulb is a 1000 watt lightbulb is a 1000 watt lightbulb.
In the future if you decide to look something up on the internet that you're not real sure about and then publish that information in front of billions of people, it would be a good idea not to give youre real name. you'll look like a dickhead.

bud

May 16 2007, 12:40 am

in response to the 240/120 question.
the above article is incorrect. your electric bill is determined by how many kilowatt hours are consuming. not amps. for example if you switch to a 240 volt supply from a 120 1000/120=8.3 amps and 1000/240=4.16amps. youre still using a 1000 watt lamp which will still consume 1000 watts. sorry guys.

Toka-Cola

May 7 2007, 9:02 pm

Stealing hydro is always a bad idea

bloom master

Apr 12 2007, 11:45 am

n e 1 kno if you can still steel hydro from SMART METERS??? IS THERE ANY XTRA RISK INVOLVED ??

When the cops fly over

Mar 30 2007, 1:23 am

Some of us live in places where cops fly over offten, there for we cant really grow outside, b/c a big box in my back yard with a timer set top with green plants from 5 thousand feet in a chopper might look a lil suspect if ya ask me. Stay inside, pay on time, youll be fine, if you cant pull .5 grams per watt on a 400/600 watt light you need to learn your basics, put 8 NL plants from nirvina under a 400hps and youll see half a lb in hydro ebb/flow.....good luck

When the lights fail

Mar 18 2007, 2:27 am

You can draw so much E if you run AC and lights and all that people do not realize how much it takes for a good set up and the cost involved. I suggest outdoor gardens because you grow it with 0 cost, when time to share you pass the savings on. Use a trash can and keep them short, this solves the 12 12 light problem! I works just daily covering of plants is all, and you can do many plants this way. Build a wood box to cover more than one plant , use a flip top and not worry! hell set up a timmer to open and close the box using a little motor.

Feb 26 2007, 2:46 pm

this story kicks ass!

ty
xoxox
missy

critter

Feb 14 2007, 11:01 am

however most of the homes in the U.S. have a 220volt power suply for a cloths dryer and you can access this by going to a hardware store and buying a power cord for a dryer and wiring it to your balast and now you have unlocked all the potential for highervoltage

hueman

Feb 12 2007, 12:57 am

Thanks for all of the good responses regarding diminished lights and ballasts. I have changed the lights once a year and I can tell the difference it makes immediately. Now, another question. I'm inducing the 12/12 hr. cycle for flowering and was wondering if I should just turn off the Agrosun (400 watt) HPS bulb (it claims to have increased "red hues" for flowering and just go with my 400 watt Hortilux Super HPs bulb (which incidentily cost me a whopping $95.00!)And yes, the seeds are from a 7 generation of White Widow and crossed with Northern Lights about 5 years ago. The seeds readily sprout and have turned out some exceptional bud. But new seeds from Amstersdam would most likely help.
Thanks for the thoughts and stay high - Peace out;fellow smokers.
Hueman
From the "Hills" of Sacramento Calif.

stupid bagel

Feb 9 2007, 5:34 pm

so what happened to all those heads claiming to be electricians and math wizards stating the 240v vs 120v wouldnt save any money?

well that guy wrote back and actually gave the correct response supporting his claim of money-saving power usage... and, as an advanced grower living in holland, that man was right.

so where are all the apologies, especially from those of you who bashed the magazine which has provided us useful tips all these years?

anyone?chunk? schoolinyourweed? electroman?

man, i hate seeing negativity towards one of the best supporters of growing cannabis. who else writes this stuff for the masses??

Jan 31 2007, 10:57 pm

When you wire a ballast for 240 volts, you are using both hot 120 volt feeds. If you clamp an ammeter on either hot line, it will read @ 4.5 amps per line. This means you are still drawing @ 9 amps, between both hot lines.

raging_pit

Jan 16 2007, 10:17 pm

Hey hueman, You said you change the bulbs, but what about your genetics? I've found that using the same clones from the same mother for months/years seems to slow things down. I love the hybrid vigor shown by a good seed crop from time to time. Try starting some new stuff. Also, when was the last time you cleaned your grow room?

MasterWaTTs

Jan 9 2007, 1:16 pm

there is a gear in all meter boxes that can be fliped and the units run backward when doing this make sure your dog is out. this should take care of the bill

Gram Fisher

Jan 9 2007, 11:06 am

actually, youre both forgetting about electrical loss to resistance which WILL significantly lower your electric bill when running on 240v.
If you only use the amps=Watts/volts equation as your logic this doesn't seem to make sense, but it is true because you have less resistance losses through your wiring if you run at higher voltage. Resistance turns electrical power into heat which is why highly loaded extension cords will get hot. The power lost to resistance = (resistance times amps squared) divided by (volts squared.) Thus the higher the volts the lower the power loss. Another way to cut resistance is thicker wires, so you shouldn't try to get away with the mimimum guage possible. Distance of wiring will also have an effect, although more so in the macro than the micro (overhead wires vs house wiring).
This whole concept is why large overhead powerlines on towers (from powerplants to cities) will be at extremely high voltages from 138,000v up to 765,000v. These wires go into a substation where transformers switch power down to 33,000v up to 115,000v and these go to sub-transmission lines (to various areas of the city).
It may seem like only pennies, but when you're running 100+ lamps over long periods of time, those pennies saved on a 220v current really add up!

electroman

Jan 8 2007, 1:21 am

like raging_pit said below, the electric companies dont charge per amp, they charge per watt hour. so when they say that running 240v will save you money its false, and when they say it frees up space ,that is true, but, and there is a but,it frees up space for idiots to overload their panel and cause a potential fire hazard. then where will you be .oh and one other thing , when someone says-use one socket for one thing and another socket for other things, this can also cause a problem. example-k lets say you plug in your 1000 watt light into one sid eof the room . ok that light pulls x amount of amps . then you plug all your other equipment into another socket in that same room that pulls x amount of amps. now for non electricians who dont know that usually in a room all the "sockets" are on the same circuit ....ooooo now we have a problem . if your light and other equipment are pulling more than 80% of the amps that the breaker is rated for , then you are causing undesirable conditions. there are a lot more variables that can cause problems with your electrical system, so when i read articles where "growers" try and act like they are "electricans" and give formulas and try and give advice about electricity it makes me laugh cause some poor fool following advice will end up hurting himself or others.so please if you need advice about electricty ask an electrician ...and if your that worried about your power consumption , you shouldnt be growing indoors!

sorry if offended anyone but it had to be said.

worship jesus & G-13.....

Jan 5 2007, 4:08 pm

sick music that needs a spin again -=- barriers up on the jaws -- Filters in action -- Protection of Black box -- Respect of love & elders-- Hell cannot break loose yet

http://youtube.com/watch?v=vEv7mdkFMmw

GroYoShit

Jan 3 2007, 8:35 pm

Hueman,

Several possibilities for diminished performance of lamps(industry term for bulbs). 1.Lamp needs to be replaced. Lumens greatly diminish from beginning to end of life. HID lamps are rated for about 30k hours. If you have had the same lamps for 2 years, you will get much more light if you replace them. Trust me-try one any you will see the difference. As far as the ballast, over time they can weaken. Try replacing the capicitor before the ballast...it is much cheaper than buying the whole ballast kit. The capacitor is the round or oval piece, usually about 4-6inches in length mounted beside the ballast. I also reccomend Metal Halide lamps over HPS because the light "color" is closer to the daylight or natural light where the cheeba grows best.(5000-6500k) Daylight contains light from both ends of the spectrum-HPS is more towards the warm end, mercury vapor towards the cool end, metal halide(some brands call it Multi-Vapor)is closer to daylight than both. CAUTION!! Don't ever use a Metal Halide lamp with a HPS ballast or a HPS lamp with a Metal Halide ballast...they are not interchangeable and doing so will cause the ballast to fry and/or the bulb to explode (over 2000 degrees!) If you have HPS, try VENTURE BRAND retrofit lamp (MS400/BU-LU) I sell lighting for a living...trust me. Send me some of that janky shit when you harvest.

Chunk

Jan 3 2007, 4:51 pm

sry, i checked up.. canada is 220 in the lines, but we still convert it to 110 to use it.
also, the formula, P=V*I or W=V*A is the correct one.

watts is the voltage times the amperage which shows that no matter your voltage, you will use the same amount of electricity. voltage goes up, current goes down, Power usage stays the same.

check www.sengpielaudio.com/calculator-ohm.htm if you want proof.

Hueman

Jan 3 2007, 1:18 am

I have had my 400 watt ballasts (2 of them) for about 4 years now. I don't seem to be getting the same response from the lights (which I change once a year)
Does the ballasts go bad after so long?
Hueman

raging_pit

Dec 28 2006, 10:33 am

Sure running ballasts on a 240v draws less amperage, but electric companies don't charge per amp. Electric companies charge per kilowatt hour. 1000w/hour=1 kilowatt hour. If your electric comapny charges .10c per hour, then flowering with a 1000w hps on a 12 hour cycle will cost you roughly 1.20$ per day. Check your electric bill and find out how much you're being charged per hour and do the math to find out how much adding another ballast will cost you daily/monthly.

SchoolinYourWeed

Dec 27 2006, 3:47 pm

For most practical purposes which is what most people grow (not for commercial), 120v is perfectly fine as long as you are smart and obey the limits of the circuit. Just as a general rule, don't run more than 1200 watts of light on a socket. One socket (not one outlet, one socket... the entire plate). One socket is good for 1200 watts and whatever else needs to be on the light timer circuit (ie: cooling fans). Put everything else (pumps, circulator fans, CO2 stuff, anyting else) on a seperate socket, preferably on a different wall. Most people will neer draw more power than that anyway.

And as far as cost... 1200 watts (2 x 600w hps) running 12 hours a day is only HALF THE TIME, and thats what people don't realize. I live in california, and its not cheap here, but $40 on my bill grows me $6000 worth of goods, so don't complain, its not that much.

Chunk

Dec 26 2006, 4:49 pm

HAHAHA V=W*A what this dude said is wrong

at least research the shit before u write an article about it hahahahahaha

Shane

Dec 26 2006, 4:47 pm

Thats all BS, it defies all of the basics of electricity. No matter the voltage, you will still use the same amount of power.

BTW, Canada is a 120V system too, u guys buy a crap load of our power too...

THE GRINCH

Dec 26 2006, 1:03 am

yeah see we are really saveing money for them in the long run

AREIAL

Dec 25 2006, 10:00 pm

DID YOU KNOW THAT WHEN PEOPLE DECORATE THEIR HOUSES WITH LIGHTS FOR THE HOLIDAYS IT USES MORE ELECTRICTY THAN A GROW ROOM.

THE GRINCH

Dec 25 2006, 10:51 am

HURRY and steel the fans from blow up x-mas stuff such as globes and snowmen. some people will be to lazy to take it inside. >:-)

dday632

Dec 24 2006, 1:01 pm

from experience i stress that anyone useing lights,more so in older homes,use a surge protecter/strip w/on/off switch btwn.socket and ballast.it does increase power draw some but out weights burnning down your house and then be busted for it.if at all possible,have it out of gro space as a quick kill if you get a knock at the door.gro ur own

sandpiper

Dec 23 2006, 1:06 am

yo, this story on the ABCs of electricity is da bomb. i'm sayin its about time this mag started throwin some in depth knowledge at us. keep that juice flowin baby!!

chip master

Dec 21 2006, 7:22 pm

my boss Karen Tandy ordered it

Clint

Dec 20 2006, 4:41 pm

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Dec 20 2006, 2:38 pm

and no he did not sign any contracts for the chips

Smokey McPot

Dec 20 2006, 2:34 pm

you all jus need to send me some of ur damn buds!!!

Dec 18 2006, 3:30 pm

those chips are against the privacy act and the constitution

Dec 17 2006, 6:41 pm

THEY ARE ALL LYING TO THE KID HE DONT EVEN HAD A CRIMINAL RECORD THE LEADER OF THIS GREAT COUNTRY SHOULD DO SOMETHING ABOUT THOSE CHIPS BECAUSE THEY ARE TORTURING THE KID 24/7 WHAT CAN HE DO HE TRIED EVERYTHING THE PROBLEM STARTS THERE HELP THE KID SOMEBODY HE IS INOCENT ITS ALL A SICK GAME TO THEM WHATING HIM THAT HE CANT DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT NOW THAT TERRORISM THE WAR SHOULD START NATIONALY

Dec 17 2006, 3:37 pm

They are all misleadind the world he is not a spy they chipped his throat and ears and ruined the mans life, kid move out the country dont want anymore they fucked you up good, the boxes are out there THEY ARE ARE LYING TO YOU THE CHIPS ARE IN YOUR THROAT AND EARS I REALLY FEEL FOR THE KID ITS 6

masterwatts

Dec 14 2006, 11:41 pm

AERO GARDEN **

MasterWatts

Dec 14 2006, 11:39 pm

another good one to ask....THE AeroGarde will the stem system work if i got the stems system for hydroponic seeds? PS. yes i know the bulbs are weak as shit..

MasterWatts

Dec 14 2006, 9:39 pm

Thanks for a real comment it will be put to good use.

SchoolinYourWeed

Dec 13 2006, 5:57 pm

No MasterWatts, blue spectrum will NOT enhance the density of your buds unless it is used ALONG WITH and not instead of red spectrum.

Personally, if you are worried about getting a better spectrum out of your HPS go with EYE Hortilux HPS lamps. They have enhanced blue specrum as well increased lumen output vs. standard lamps. (better spectrum and more lumens w/o having to change ballasts). And if you can... go with 600w.

MasterWatts

Dec 13 2006, 3:34 am

SMOKEY BEAR they send me a bill every month so dont try and tell me something i allready knew "IT HAPPENDS SEE"

Smokey D bear, ThC

Dec 13 2006, 2:36 am

Damn now i look like an ass saying sodium halide... that was supposed to be sodium vapor..

Smokey D Bear, ThC

Dec 13 2006, 2:34 am

Ok.. here is how all this power shit breaks down. All newer houses in the US ('70's and up) are all equiped with 240 volts. thats what every electric dryer, range, and AC unit runs on. Now.. how to figure out how much power you are using..

Schooling is right.. its all about Kilowatt hours... what is a kilowatt hour? a 100 watt light bulb, if left on for an hour.. pulls .10 kilowatt hours. if on for ten mins, it pulled a whopping .01 kilowatt hour.. *Kwh*.

now.. a 400 watt sodium halide *its the orange HID lights you see on the streets* if run all day... will pull 9.6 Kwh.. . if you are paying 7 cents a kwh then it will cost you approx $21 a month to run the light.

the amps only matter in the fact on 240V the lamp will pull 1/2 the amperage of one on 120V.

Make sense?

and MasterWatt... they dont make a sodium vapor in a blue.. thats metal halide..

MasterWAtts

Dec 13 2006, 12:27 am

im useing a 400w sodium vapor lightbulb on a blue spectrum will the other colors change the dencity of my buds?

SchoolinYourWeed

Dec 12 2006, 2:31 am

Oh yea, I forgot to add, it doesn't save power either, look at the calculations.

HEY HIGH TIMES... LOOK AT THIS!!
Your power is billed in kilowatt hours, not kiloamp hours.
Usage is based on how many watts are drawn, not amps you schmucks.

SchoolinYourWeed

Dec 12 2006, 2:24 am

wow, who is the stupid bagel that wrote that shit? Here is how electricity works;

Volts X Amps = Watts

120 volts @ 10 amps = 1200 watts

240 volts @ 5 amps = 1200 watts

A 240v line is simply 2 120v lines, it is a way of cutting down the amps being pulled thru a wire to reduce fire hazard on high-draw appliances.

So for all you dumbfucks that don't understand that... you can run twice as many lights on a 240v circuit than you could on a 120v circuit, eliminating the need for extra wiring when setting up a multi-lamp grow. skeet skeet skeet, I own.

SoCal, all the way nuckas.

scoo

Dec 11 2006, 5:56 am

canada does not run off 240V its 120V and running 240V will not save u money on the power bill, damn u guys dont know shot who ever wrote this

THMQ

Dec 10 2006, 9:48 pm

ok thats it, i demand an update on thmq page. if HT doesnt update the thmq page within the next 2 days they will lose yet another subscriber.

Wood

Dec 9 2006, 4:20 pm

I'll bet!!

Brother

Dec 7 2006, 6:38 pm

NO WORLD HE IS NOT A SPY the DEA fucked him up when he had surgery they put nuclear chips in his ears throat and every where else you can imagine thats the new way of 6
believe it KID they are all lying to you they want you to commit suicide thats some help

DR > GREEN THUMB

Dec 4 2006, 1:58 am

oops i meant it grew into a great big weed

DR .GREEN THUMB

Dec 4 2006, 1:57 am

Once there was a litle seed that grew into a great big leaf and as it sat there upon the ground it said "light me up and pass me around smoke my leaves up in the air and i will make you very aware for if this isnt true mother nature wouldnt have put me here for you !
Written by Reefer Ron

Cali Dank

Dec 4 2006, 12:11 am

420! First post. blaze

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