Kerlikowske for Drug Czar
Obama to nominate reform-minded former Seattle Chief of Police to head Office of National Drug Control Policy
Wed, Mar 11, 2009 11:54 am
According to reports, President Obama will soon formally nominate former Seattle Police Chief Gil Kerlikowske for the job of “Drug Czar.” Best known to the marijuana reform community as the police chief responsible for overseeing the annual Seattle Hempfest without making arrests, Kerlikowske’s appointment would bring renewed hope for a long overdue national debate on America’s failed War on Drugs.
A progressive reformer focused on community based policing, Kerlikowske has made Seattle a “model for sensible marijuana policy,” according to the Drug War Chronicle. He’s also a military veteran with more than 35 years experience in law enforcement. His appointment has met with overwhelmingly positive reviews from the marijuana law reform community, particularly after President Obama made good on his promise to stop DEA raids of medical marijuana patients and providers in states with laws protecting them.
"Our nation's drug problem is one of human suffering," Kerlikowske will reportedly remark while accepting the nomination, according to his prepared remarks. "As a police officer, but also in my own family, I have experienced firsthand the devastating effects that drugs can have on our youth, our families and our communities."
The statement refers to his son from a previous marriage, Jeffrey Kerlikowske, who has a long history of trouble with the law, including arrests for possession and distribution of marijuana. He was last released from prison in March 2008, and was arrested last week on a parole violation—an arrest which may have delayed the formal nomination, news of which first leaked in early February.
While not outwardly in favor of marijuana legalization, Kerlikowske would nonetheless represent a significant departure from the “reefer madness” that afflicted all previous Drug Czars, under both Republicans and Democrats, since the position was created in 1988.
Also of note, Norm Stamper, Kerlikowske’s immediate predecessor as Seattle’s Chief of Police, is currently a vocal opponent of the War on Drugs, as author of “Breaking Ranks,” and as a member of Law Enforcement Against Prohibition.
Should the senate confirm Kerlikowske as Drug Czar, long suffering marijuana law reformers will indeed be getting some “change you can breathe in!”











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karen21550
Apr 2 2009, 2:43 pm
haha
Apr 1 2009, 1:49 pm
Point being?
Mar 21 2009, 7:51 am
HU210
Mar 20 2009, 10:26 pm
RIP John
In 1789 when the new Constitution was ratified , many people still remembered the abuse they took from the royal government and demanded a "Bill of Rights" which would explicitly enumerate the rights reserved to the people. Some of the framers of the Constitution argued that any enumeration of these rights would be incomplete and a dangerous inference might be created that no other rights were intended to be reserved, just the ones expressly reserved. In the Federalist No.84 Alexander Hamilton stated, "The Bill of Rights... would be dangerous. Why for instance should it be said that the liberty of the press shall not be restrained, when no power is given by which restrictions may be imposed?"
While there might be a certain logic to not having a bill of rights, the people insisted on it. James Madison drafted four resolutions which were expanded to nine amendments enumerating various rights retained by the people. He sought to make clear that this enumeration in no way ceded the peoples other sovereign rights to the government either directly or through implication.
The ninth Amendment stated that:
The enumeration of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage other rights retained by the people.
In explaining the purpose of the Amendment, Madison said, " It has been objected also against the Bill of Rights that by enumerating particular exceptions to the grant of powers it would disparage those rights which were no placed in the enumeration... by implication, those rights which were not singled out were intended to be assigned into the hands of the general government and were consequently insecure...[This] must be guarded.against."
In the framing of the Constitution, the Ninth Amendment has been used only a few times in trials before the Supreme Court. In several cases involving labor law, and the right of the government to engage in economic activity, litigants argued unsuccessfully that this amendment precluded the government from engaging in business in which private companies were also involved. It was not until Griswald vs Connecticut, the famous case which stopped the Nutmeg state from outlawing birth control, that the Ninth Amendment was activated. The Supreme Court found that the right of privacy was implied in the Constitution as it was stated in the Declaration of Independence. This right was more compelling than any reason the state had to regulate activities in the bedroom.
Continued...
HU210-Continued
Mar 20 2009, 10:24 pm
The Ninth amendment has been sort of a sleeper. But now that the government is trying to usurp powers reserved for the people, it may well become a most important "right."
It is ironic that the retained sovereignty of the people should now be at its greatest danger under the influence of political forces that claim to be "conservative" and "strict constructionist", who seek to " get government off the backs of people". Should they ultimately prevail, we may indeed discover something harmful about marijuana--it will have destroyed the Constitution. From a Constitutional standpoint,the current criminalization of the private use of marijuana, through a claim sovereignty relinquished by the people under the "police power" presents serious problems. You see, when the Constitution was framed, people could buy any drugs they liked in a pharmacy. There were no restrictions regarding prescriptions. The right to peruse happiness or medicate oneself was an absolute right, so absolute that no one thought of enumerating it. It was not until 1937, when the Marijuana tax Act was imposed,that the federal government tried regulate or restrict the use of herb which was well-known to the colonists and very early republicans. For 148 of 196(now 208 yrs) years that the U.S. has had the Constitution, the right to use marijuana was absolute, like all other rights not listed: to walk down the street, drink alcohol,eat the food of your choice, and play whatever sports you like.
The right to use euphoriants was implicitly recognized with the Volstead Act, the 18th Amendment, which prohibited the manufacture and sale or transportation of intoxicating liquors. Even this amendment recognized the inherent right of individuals to posses alcohol for their own use; there was no statute against simple possession included in its language.
I have been using the Ninth Amendment in my argument of simple possession cases of marijuana before the courts I contend that the government is trying to usurp rights retained by the people. Among these is the rights is the pursuit of happiness and the sovereign right of each person in the sphere of personal liberty , to make his or her own decisions, no matter how minute, without interference from the government except where there express relinquishment of power(sovereignty) allows.
So far, I have not had actually go to trial, since the DA's dismiss the cases because the arguments are to complex for them to deal with.
In his arguments before the Supreme Court, Stephen Gaskin, founder of the pioneering alternative commune. The Farm, discussed laws which aimed at limiting the process of consciousness, that is how one thinks. He said:
"We believe the existing legislation against marijuana is legislation against a state of mind or plane of existence, one which cannot be proven or disproven by any instrument of the State or science. The State can demonstrate no compelling interest in that plane by reason of material inability and Constitutional proscription.
We know that psychedelics did not give us any new senses that God had not already given us and that our perception of those planes at all proves the rightness and appropriateness of our access to them in and of itself. We believe that the U.S. Constitution protects our freedom to access tospritual planes given to us as our birthright.
Today the government is trying to impose a new policy: that any right not specifically enumerated in the Constitution is reserved to the state to be granted to the people only at the states discretion. This argument is both spurious and dangerous. It flies in the face of the constitution and threatens the rights of all citizens, to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness
Justice Brandeis summed this up in a dissenting opinion which has risen above the Mundanity of legalisms and attained independenet status as a declaration of rights:
The makers of the constitution undertook to secure conditions favorable to the pursuit of happiness. They recognized the significance of mans spritual nature, of his feelings and of his intilect. They knew that only a part of the pain, pleasure,and satisfaction of life are found in material things. they sought to protect Americans in their beliefs, their thoughts, their emotionsand their sensations. They conferred, as against the government, the right to be left alone-- the most comprehensive of rights and the right most valued by civilized man.
1. Elliots debates 436-7 (2ed.1836)
2. State of Tennessee vs Stephen Gaskin et al., Lewis County Criminal Court, Lewis County, Tenn #3948, Nov.11,1971.
3. Olmstead vs U.S. 438,72 L.ed. 944 (1928)
theantimatrix
Mar 19 2009, 5:48 pm
NOR CAL
Mar 18 2009, 2:08 pm
GROW
Mar 16 2009, 10:59 am
die,so I offed it and replaced it. (sound of taps is heard)
But the four that are up now look great,and two of them are
already opening their second set of jagged leaves,so the grow is on. Will make a quick inspection of my outdoor grow,but don't expect ground has warmed up enough for them to germinate yet. If they have started,will probably have a night or two of having to cover them before all cold has quit coming down.
STOP the BUY GROW YOUR OWN
plant
Mar 16 2009, 3:05 am
and feed it and in da fall,when appx 1/2 the flowers are amber
and brown,you picka da weed. Then you dry da weed and you smoke da weed and everything is better.
BTW
Mar 16 2009, 12:47 am
hey hu
Mar 16 2009, 12:32 am
gstlab3
Mar 15 2009, 8:04 pm
mba1189
Mar 15 2009, 1:56 pm
We dont have the money to keep up the war on drugs but our media still manages to convince americans that ending prohibition would spell disaster for all sides. LET THEM ALL SUFFER FOR THEIR IGNORANCE! If the marjority is not willing to consider any solution other than military force, then let them spend their tax dollars on fruitless endeavors such as increasing border security.
If the border violence is severe enough, then the states along the border should consider legalizing AND increasing border security. I CAN BE A MINUTE MAN for the border. Or we can just call the national guard too right...? not
DECLARATION of PEACE
Mar 14 2009, 7:01 pm
We will either grow our own marijuana,or hire gardeners or skilled persons to maintain our own personal gardens,so that we can be 100% sure that our money is not going too any
terroristic or unlawful activities by anyone. We will donate
any excess too a local community pot bank for medical use.
We promise too spend the money we now spend on marijuana in the American economy. We believe this will do more for the economy than letting the government collect taxes and use it
responsibly, like they have now for so long,and we believe
it will help the economy more than if big business makes money from it and continues with their present practices
with money. We will BEAT the CARTELS,BEAT BIG BUSINESS and we will do it with a hoe and a water can.
STOP the BUY GROW YOUR OWN
If you can live with that pledge,copy/paste it too your federal and state reps,and yes,too OBAMA too.
HU210
Mar 13 2009, 10:46 pm
Here's a 2009 blog
http://druglaw.typepad.com/drug_law_blog/2009/03/a-federal-prosecutors-odd-flipflop-on-medical-marijuana-cases-.html
March 07, 2009
A Federal Prosecutor's Odd Flip-Flop on Medical Marijuana Cases
Via LA Times:
The U.S. attorney in Los Angeles sent a confidential memo to prosecutors last week ordering them to stop filing charges against medical marijuana dispensaries, then abruptly lifted the ban on Friday, according to sources familiar with the developments.
U.S. Atty. Thomas P. O'Brien declined comment on what prompted him to issue the directive or to later rescind it.
. . .
O'Brien's initial order was delivered in a memo by Christine Ewell, head of the U.S. attorney's criminal division, according to three sources who read the document, which was distributed by e-mail on Feb. 27.
In addition to being told to stop filing new cases, prosecutors were instructed to refrain from issuing subpoenas or applying for search warrants in pending cases, said the sources, who requested anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly about the matter. In fact, a few hours after the memo was circulated, Ewell sent out another e-mail admonishing prosecutors not to discuss the contents of the memo with anyone outside the U.S. attorney's office, the sources said.
Another e-mail came out Friday instructing prosecutors to resume work on medical marijuana case__
Maybe these Government folks been smokin some of that schitzophrenic(spelling) weed-eh?
HU210
Mar 13 2009, 10:26 pm
If so would you please provide a cite?
Didnt the Fed's raid a clinic last month in California?
As usual your post in reply (this time using my handle) is both specious and spurious.
107 and counting
Mar 13 2009, 10:21 pm
The most important issue, by far, is the steady increase of Mexican gang violence along the border. Groups such as Los Zetas and the Mexican Mafia, who used to transport weed from Nicargua and other Central American countries to America, began growing their own bud. This led to an increase in profits for these gangs, and with it came more violence and government corruption. These gangs have created a reign of terror on the Mexican side of the border, where reporters and politicians are forced into silence. Any soul brave enough to stand up against these gangs is made into an example; in one Mexican town an outspoken anti-gang police commisioner was killed in his first day at the job. This problem is only going to get worst, and if I was part of the Mexican government I would be pressuring the Americans to legalize marijuana. This would result in a huge drop of revenue for these gangs, whose activites have createc northern Mexico into a narco-state.
The next drug czar needs to focus on the Mexico situation, and fast, because one small, dirty river is not going to hold this gang war from erupting in our country, which by the way has more Mexicans than any other minority.
hu210
Mar 13 2009, 9:04 pm
policy to allow medical marijuana clinics to operate where
the states have laws allowing it..or do you think they allow the clinics just to give out medical advice?
just trying too figure
Mar 13 2009, 8:55 pm
before any of those people make a dime,taxes will be paid,federal and state. too much trouble to figure this shit out,just grow your own
HU210
Mar 13 2009, 11:50 am
Office of Nation Drug Control Policy Reauthorization Act 1998 H11225 Responsibility #12: New Drug Czar/Old Laws
Its Friday the 13th. Keep your head low and your sprits high.
HU210
Mar 13 2009, 11:20 am
I just want to send this reminder in hopes this very important issue can be addressed (and eventually changed) during this very unique opportunity. I've seen and read some of you already talking about the new Drug Czar. I have nothing against him & I am as excited about his appointment as all of you.
My biggest concern is the Congressional mandate the requires him (and his office) to OPPOSE ALL legalization efforts of Cannabis for ANY reason (including medical). We all have seen how Walters (and other former Drug Czars) have taken this responsibility to extreme measures.
I'm not concerned this is something that Kerlikowske will seek to do but I am concerned it's his responsibility to do. I'm not willing to accept that he may just ignore this responsibility. I think this is a major concern,.
Please bring this up in your media coverage and conversations. We may not have another opportunity to bring this up for some time. We could get a conversation started on this important issue and maybe able to get it changed.
@ the no name poster. Bitch slapped again,ya are!
See why they put Biden in control?
We have Joe Biden to thank for the following nonsense:
(12) shall ensure that no Federal funds appropriated to the Office of National Drug Control Policy shall be expended for any study or contract relating to the legalization (for a medical use or any other use) of a substance listed in schedule I of section 202 of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 812) and take such actions as necessary to oppose any attempt to legalize the use of a substance (in any form) that--
is listed in schedule I of section 202 of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 812); and
has not been approved for use for medical purposes by the Food and Drug Administration;
http://blogs.salon.com/0002762/stories/2007/10/09/theDrugCzarIsRequiredByLaw.html
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here we go
Mar 13 2009, 11:13 am
It doesn't have to be true or even partially true. If they
add the right scenes and their narration,you could make Donald
Duck look like a child molester.
The Obama Deception
Mar 13 2009, 9:39 am
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7886780711843120756
copy and paste that ^ and watch it with your family, friends, play it at your school, and MOST IMPORTANT BURN THEM TO DISK! The 2nd American Revolution is here!
sirsmokesalot420
Mar 13 2009, 8:31 am
Jail does not cure addictions and those with addictions need help through public health service.
Prohibition culture strengthens the black market and is open to criminal enterprise.
LEAP (Law Enforcement Against Prohibition) says legalize all drugs. At least it will prevent 9 year olds from getting their hands on it and decrease crime.
A drug lord's main source of income is anything that is illegal and will do anything to protect their product and sell to whomever need be.
Do you really want your children growing up around that?
It is time to educate and regulate!
cannabis
my anti-drug
peace love dope
HU210
Mar 13 2009, 8:28 am
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29664124/
HU210
Mar 13 2009, 6:25 am
I exposed your cowardice and ignorance durring the election-repeatedly. You and Biden are both absolute moralists. Who are you to determine what is " safe" for another individual to consume?
The Absolute Moralist, in his role as Anti-Drug Crusader determines which substances are bad for you. He, along with other crusaders, pushes to get laws passed restricting these "noxious" substances. The drug user, with the threat of jail staring him in the face, is told that he can no longer use them. Obviously there is something wrong. The actions of the Anti-Drug crusader are illogical. The individual owns himself, how can these people tell him what he can and cannot consume? The truth is evident, the Anti-Drug Crusader dosen't accept the fact the individual owns himself. He believes the state or "society" owns the individual, and any rights granted to him are special privileges.
Drug use is one of the many steps some individuals go through. Some people use them to learn new ways to tap the powers of the subconcious,after the techniques are learned, they discontinue the use of drugs and move on to more natural ways of expanding awareness. Others moderately use drugs in certian social settings or when listening to music or watching TV. Although some people wreck their lives through drug abuse, must we also destroy the lives of individuals who are going through a necessary step in their development? It is a crime to interfere with someones personal development. It is even a greater crime to wreck his life by imprisoning him, and practically ruining his chances for a successful career.
It has been proven through history that individuals learn from their own experiences, than they learn from government edicts. If a drug has harmful effects, allowing unrestricted use will expose them faster, thereby discouraging people from using it. Anti-Drug legislation prevents this from happening
Do I have to show ya 400+ years of failed attempts at substance prohibition, that you are advocating?
to "to below"
Mar 13 2009, 5:44 am
tommy
Mar 13 2009, 1:46 am
AHHHHHHH
Mar 13 2009, 1:32 am
pain reliever for the body. As far as I know,and I've searched the internet,there has never been a death certificate issued with pot listed as a cause of death. That is enough argument too put down any anti-drug cartel propaganda and too raise a 1 finger salute too the new drug czar.
Something too say
Mar 13 2009, 1:02 am
want too blame their inaction on drugs"
Letters
Mar 13 2009, 12:51 am
at the end of your letter. They know it means that we can beat the cartels by removing the market.
GROW YOUR OWN
Mar 13 2009, 12:44 am
think I'm going too try putting one of those mesh tents that knock 70% of the sunlight off over two or three of my plants
about the middle of July,to see if they will kick into the flowering mode earlier and finish out quicker. They will be in
a full day exposure site,and if I erect it as a partition on the west side of the plants,it should reduce light enough
hopefully too induce early harvest. Waiting till the end of October and sometimes November can be such a drag.
STOP the BUY GROW YOUR OWN
to below
Mar 12 2009, 10:35 pm
I hate drug warriors that say regulating a substance sends the wrong message to kids. In reality, they are saying that the fact that alcohol and ciggarettes are legal, sends the wrong message to kids already. So what is their real position? THEY DONT WANT ANY DRUGS LEGAL. But, since they are all stubborn idiots, they never concede that regulating a substance, prevents children from obtaining the substance.
ah shut up
Mar 12 2009, 8:48 pm
HU210
Mar 12 2009, 5:33 pm
Until I see their actions, this "change"looks like double speak to me.
HU210
Mar 12 2009, 5:25 pm
The drug policy coordinator's office will lose its Cabinet-level status, however, due to Biden's experience and knowledge about federal drug policy. But Kerlikowske will be involved in decision-making and will have a direct line to Obama and Biden.
White House press secretary Robert Gibbs rejected suggestions that the change in status amounted to a demotion. Kerlikowske will have "full access" to Obama, as do the administration's other czars, Gibbs said Wednesday.
In other words Drug warrier Biden Will really be running the show
lemme holla at ya, holla holla
Mar 12 2009, 4:12 pm
Rob Kampia for Drug Czar. Not this polish putz or whatever he is. Fuck the old dirty cop. ROB KAMPIA BIAAATCH
DOPEDOGCAPONE
Mar 12 2009, 3:15 pm
Tokin' Tom
Mar 12 2009, 3:15 pm
Drug Czar is a name for the person who directs drug-control policies in the United States. The title was first published in a 1982 news story by United Press International which reported that “Senators... voted 62-34 to establish a ‘drug czar’ who would have overall responsibility
for U.S. drug policy.
”
This is great news! Especially for those of us who have legislation coming up anytime in the next four years. No more plane trips on the tax-payers dime to violate the letter and intent of the law and interfere with state legislation.
I've been to the mountaintop, I've seen the Promised Land... uh, sorry... I got a little carried away.
Peace, Buds & One Love,
Leon Jackson
Director
DFW NORML
mba1189
Mar 12 2009, 2:35 pm
Back to the point,
This cop wont fix any real problems with the Drug War. Cops enforce laws. As long as marijuana is still an illegal substance at the federal level, we still have a problem. This guy will just be passive on the issue of marijuana. Passive and complacent.
Zangiefy
Mar 12 2009, 1:38 pm
If drug use had to do with religion like you are inferring then it would only be enforced by God himself. Genesis 1:12 "I have given you all the seed-bearing plants to use." Psalms 104:14 "He causeth the grass to grow for the cattle, and herb for the service of man, that he may bring forth food out of the Earth." If your gonna come on here and try to preach that if that something missing is filled with something positive(religion) then know what the book that you are supporting actually says. Decriminalization in this country needs to happen not only for us smokers but for consumers of regular products. Hemp-based products will reduce american dependancy on Chinese products. Also most of the health risks associated to Marijuana are false proven by Doctors, hidden by the government. Research the reason marijuana is illegal in this country. it is not because of its high-risks, Harry Anslingler and William Hearst worked together. Anslinger started the Bureau of Narcotics but coke and herion use was not prominent enough to keep the bureau open. Hearst was the owner of many newspaper chains. He hated mexicans and had invested in timber. Together they doctrinated a piece of legislation linking weed to the overflow of mexicans, the african american jazz in the south, and violent behavior. Once again ignorant racism is the fuel for politics.
210
Mar 12 2009, 12:37 pm
Correction:
That should be 2nd sentence of your post
HU210
Mar 12 2009, 12:34 pm
The first sentence of your post would be accurate had you used "abuse" rather than "use". They are not one and the same. That is, not interchangable.
The rest of your post is just absolute moralist horsecrap.
Jesus saves sinners and redeems them for neat gifts and prizes
D-Bag
Mar 12 2009, 12:20 pm
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29649079/
So, from what I understand now, we won't be thrown in prison, but we'll all be thrown into rehab centers?
Is this really the new policy?
Does it include marijuana smokers? When does it go into effect?
So far I'm not too impressed, because the war on drugs continues. It just has a different leader now.
follow Jesus?
Mar 12 2009, 10:54 am
Don't bogart that joint my friend,pass it over too me.
Follow Jesus
Mar 12 2009, 10:01 am
pass ab 390
Mar 12 2009, 1:10 am
mass cop
Mar 12 2009, 12:45 am
(m)ass cop...
Mar 11 2009, 10:23 pm
Meanwhile the gang down the street pays me to leave them alone and to turn a blind eye as they break into your homes.
I don't miss a trick on the corner neither, beats jerking off to my child porn I make with my hiden cam in the girls washrooms that I placed while I was faking looking for drugs in the schools, can't beat that with a stick.
SmokeytheBear
Mar 11 2009, 10:20 pm
Anyway thats my piece of mind on that. Remember, "If your smoking in the woods, make sure to put your j or blunt completly out before you adventure. Only YOU can prevent forest fires!"
(m)ass cop
Mar 11 2009, 10:05 pm
Yes, I am a lowlife and just about as low as low goes but that coincides with my IQ as well as my pay.
(M)Ass Clown
Mar 11 2009, 8:34 pm
almost agree.
Mar 11 2009, 8:17 pm
unknown
Mar 11 2009, 5:53 pm
chewing coca leaves or eating a poppy,only after man manipulates them do they get truly dangerous and bad for you I guess man is his own worst enemy.
DEA necessary
Mar 11 2009, 5:49 pm
alcohol,crack,ice,ecstasy and almost every natural drug that man has tampered with should be their target.
Change
Mar 11 2009, 5:25 pm
distributing and consuming pot with the federal government not
busting them. As each state adopts new laws or decriminalize
their present marijuana laws,they no longer have too worry that the law they are passing is contrary to federal law when they allow medical pot in their state.
Along the border of Texas,N.M.,AZ,and CA,the locally based
cartels are committing atrocious,violent crimes on both sides of border and our gov't is gearing up to throw more of our money away trying too control them.
We are in the worst economic recession since the great depression in the 20's and we don't have the money to continue with the wars we already have going,much less a new one. We,the pot smokers of America,can defeat the cartels and organized crime and we don't need guns and gunships to
fight with,all we need is a hoe and the freedom to
STOP the BUY,GROW YOUR OWN
It is a viable,non-violent solution for a stagnant,violent
situation. STOP the BUY GROW YOUR OWN
HU210
Mar 11 2009, 5:03 pm
Obama would be better off eliminating this as a cabinit level position thus cutting the authority and starve it to death budget wise.
mba1189
Mar 11 2009, 4:24 pm
D-Bag
Mar 11 2009, 3:13 pm
to below
Mar 11 2009, 3:07 pm
truuf
Mar 11 2009, 1:30 pm
karma smoke
Mar 11 2009, 1:10 pm
HU210
Mar 11 2009, 12:33 pm
Louis de Bernières’s novel, Birds Without Feathers, could just as well be describing Norm Stamper: “His courage
was not the foolish kind of a young and silly man. It was the courage of a man who looks danger in the face, and
forces himself not to flinch".
If the Senate does not confirm Kerlikowski( is that polish or what?). I hope Obama nominates Stamper as his 2nd choice.
HU210
Mar 11 2009, 12:06 pm
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