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A Different Kind of Tea Party

Marijuana consumers present a $14 billion dollar check to the US Treasury to represent "tax and regulate" boost to economy from legalizing cannabis.

Fri, Apr 17, 2009 11:38 am


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Photos by Danny Danko

 

What would America’s 25 million regular marijuana consumers do with $14 billion? How about pay taxes – gladly.

 

That’s the message the Executive Director of the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws (NORML) delivered on tax day, April 15, during a press conference on the steps of the General Post Office in Midtown Manhattan, along with an oversized $14 billion check made out to the US Treasury Department.

 

The check total is a conservative estimate of what American taxpayers spend every year to maintain marijuana prohibition. According to the report "The Budgetary Implications of Marijuana Prohibition in the United States," Americans spend some $6 billion annually on marijuana-related law enforcement. Taxing and regulating the production and sale of cannabis like alcohol products would eliminate these costs, while raising an additional $8 billion in new tax revenue each year, according to the report, which was endorsed by Nobel Prize winner Milton Friedman and over 500 other accredited economists.

 

Supporters of a “tax and regulate” approach to marijuana gathered at the General Post Office (441 Eighth Ave) at 4:20 PM to formally present the check.

 
QUOTES:
 

"On a day when so many Americans lament having to pay state and federal income taxes, we're representing America's millions of otherwise law-abiding cannabis consumers, who're ready, willing, and able to contribute this huge sum to our struggling economy, while providing truly 'green' jobs and allowing police to focus on more important priorities. All we ask in exchange for our $14 billion is the right to enjoy pot responsibly and in peace.” – Allen St. Pierre, NORML's National Director

 

“I would like to ask all Americans to stop for a moment on tax day and ask themselves if this $14 billion could be better spent than on an endless, pointless, counterproductive ‘war’ against a largely harmless plant. We’re eager to start a rational, reasonable debate about changing the marijuana laws, because that’s a debate we know we’ll win.” – David Bienenstock, author of “The Official High Times Pot Smoker’s Handbook”

 

“Marijuana is unquestionably America's number one cash crop. At a time when millions of Americans are out of work, we need to legitimize this multi-billion dollar per year industry and help families get back on their feet, instead of arresting over 800,000 of our own citizens every year for possessing a plant far less harmful than alcohol.” – Danny Danko, Senior Cultivation Editor, High Times Magazine

 

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treehunger

Jul 12 2009, 4:28 am

mba - with those credentials, you should know, they can do what ever we're willing to let them get away with.

treehunger

Jul 12 2009, 4:25 am

taxes suck - but they don't swallow!

treehunger

Jul 12 2009, 4:23 am

dynoman - DYNAMITE!!!

treehugger

Jul 12 2009, 4:20 am

210 - Bulls jumpin fences? I missed that. Thanks for CODEX, you still owe me an 'O of indica though. I never got to sleep that night!

treehugger

Jul 3 2009, 6:21 pm

sizzle420 - The tax was imposed to crush the farmers. Those numbers are barely applicable today.

$750-$1,000 tax stamp per plant!

And today you're averaging 4 oz per plant indoors? I plan on averaging 5 lbs per plant, outdoors. So, leave the stamps, I can manage that.

treehugger

Jul 2 2009, 8:19 pm

PLEASE VOTE

Vote NO on Bill HR 875, google it, before it's too late!
Google CODEX, Monsanto, FDA bilateral's via trilaterals and quadralaterals.

Sounds impressive, 'eh? Does any of that sound like AMERICAN FARMER'S ARE FUCKED? 90% of all plants and animals, FUCKED. Cuz they code it appropriately, and cover generously with HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP. Google that too!

All of this, to feed 300 million obese diabetics? WOW! Mars may not even be able to help us.

anonymous

May 20 2009, 9:58 am

No taxin smokable!!

We can already see that isnt workin.RE: 1937 marijuana tax Act. Taxin is destroyin!


NUMBER: 1798
AUTHOR: Daniel Webster (1782–1852)
QUOTATION: The power to tax is the power to destroy.
ATTRIBUTION: This quotation comes from the words of DANIEL WEBSTER and those of JOHN MARSHALL in the Supreme Court case, McCulloch v. Maryland.

Webster, in arguing the case, said: “An unlimited power to tax involves, necessarily, a power to destroy,” 17 U.S. 327 (1819).

In his decision, Chief Justice Marshall said: “That the power of taxing it [the bank] by the States may be exercised so as to destroy it, is too obvious to be denied” (p. 427), and “That the power to tax involves the power to destroy … [is] not to be denied” (p. 431)

treehugger

May 10 2009, 9:32 am

well - if you're willing to knowingly shoot a cop, you need to grow more weed/drink some moonshine. But if you're protecting your land, from someone with a gun, who hasn't identified themselfs as a cop...then you take your chances in court.

treehugger

May 9 2009, 6:32 pm

poll for the happiest people on the planet - they're all paying 50% income tax, and have the most freedoms/lowest crime rates/longest paid vacations. Ya think this Ass or Elephant fight is really working?

HU210

Apr 23 2009, 1:54 pm

Place an import tax on schwag at the border.
Leave domestic producers free

ON LINE LEGALIZE POLL NOW: VOTE YES--EL PASO

http://www.kfoxtv.com/news/19244367/detail.html


End the oppression of cannabis and its consumers.

ALEX JONES

Apr 22 2009, 3:41 pm

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An Infowars reader sends the photo below taken at a Tea Party Tax Protest in Albuquerque, New Mexico. Note the Homeland Security logo on the police car. As noted yesterday, the FBI was also snooping all Tea Party events across the country.

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NO JOKE THEIR GONNA TAKE EVERYTHING YOU GOT SLAVE

well

Apr 22 2009, 12:13 pm

I just read this in part:

Your Right of Defense Against Unlawful Arrest

“Citizens may resist unlawful arrest to the point of taking an arresting officer's life if necessary.” Plummer v. State, 136 Ind. 306. This premise was upheld by the Supreme Court of the United States in the case: John Bad Elk v. U.S., 177 U.S. 529. The Court stated: “Where the officer is killed in the course of the disorder which naturally accompanies an attempted arrest that is resisted, the law looks with very different eyes upon the transaction, when the officer had the right to make the arrest, from what it does if the officer had no right. What may be murder in the first case might be nothing more than manslaughter in the other, or the facts might show that no offense had been committed.”

It seems dc wants us all to blow each other away.

Killing is wrong assholes.

So is not allowing people they're constitutional freedom.

http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:6G_MgcFICfwJ:www.constitution.org/uslaw/defunlaw.htm+unlawfull+to+go+against+the+constitution&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=opera

hmm

Apr 22 2009, 12:03 pm

No gramatically correcting finny with his ...{your spouting hatred(sp?)...} comment?

Intellectual Stoner

Apr 22 2009, 12:42 am

Wow. Just simply wow. That is all I can say to the majority of the garbage comments posted on this page, that don't even have anything to do with the article at hand.

Amen to Finny. That is all I can say about that. I understand your frustration man, but keep in mind that your language minimizes how other intellectuals view your opinion; not that I personaly care, language is language to me.

I get what the fake 14 billion doller check represents, although it seems to have confused the majority of these bloggers. It is a representation of what the government would save each year, by not pursuing a war on drugs toward a drug that causes nothing more than a pleasent aroma, delayed cognitive function, and oh my, you may get the munchies. This figurative 14 billion isn't even considering the money the government could make when it taxes legal marijuana sales, because you know they are going too (that and air eventually, once they figure out the right "bill" to propose for that). For the people that posted comments suggesting that the marijauna advocates stop "messing around" and write the government a real check for that sum, to present toward the legalization of marijauna I say this to you. Let us take a moment to reflect on that thought process. First of all, I don't know about everyone else, but in my mind, it sounds like that would constatute as a bribe, not a good first step toward an obviously very touchy subject. Secondly let us ponder the funding it would require to amass 14 billion. Fellow stoners remember, that is a 14 with 9, count them 9 zeros behind it.

Dont get me started on the possible health concerns, because personaly I believe there has not been enough research on the subject to warrant any significant health related problems, and how could there be, when we are talking about researching a substance that is illigle. Mind you everyone, the government is so worried about the health of its citizens... But that same government allows cigerettes, with who knows what added to them, and for what reasons (how does fiber glass enhance tabacco?), alcohol, which is correct me if I am wrong, one of the leading causes of death in our country every year, and lets not forget about fast food chains, which are what, one of the suggested leading causes of obesity in America today, and one of the suggested top reasons for the growing numbers of childhood obesity.

I guess I can at least consider the governments position on the subject. How do you legalize a substance that has been made illegal for centuries without the fear of people lobbying for the legalization of other illegal actions or substances. Mind you again though, we are not asking for the legalization of coke, crack, heroine, or other extreme narcotics... I think we can all agree, marijuana supporters and non-supporters, that the US would not benefit from becoming an Amsterdamian haven.

I say this though, wasn't gambling, in any of our states once illegal? Does anyone remember the prohibition era on alcohol? Will the people who govern our country learn nothing from the mistakes of the past?

In closing I apologize for the length of my comment, and for those grammer hounds out there, for any mispelled words, or improper grammer/sentence/punctuation structure. I do not smoke cigarettes, cus they are bad for my health, and wallet, I drink only on the rare occasion that I go out, but never to excess. I start with a shot of Henny followed by 2-3 beers max. But Mary J., ahh, sweet Mary J. She is my night cap, the sweet nectar that awaits the end of my day. After I work a full days work, and attend to my family and children, yes, I have children, I enjoy a nice fat blunt at the end of my day, after the kids are to bed and no longer at play.
Pot smokers, there are some of you out there that are making the rest of us look unintelligent, lazy, and downright bad. Please stop, I would one day like to be able to enjoy my evening smoke, without the fear of being arrested and going to jail for it.

@ thizzle 420

Apr 21 2009, 1:28 pm

Uhm perhaps you don't read or your high and make up numbers. The price of the tax on a oz Marijuana grown by a private citizen was 100.00. And that was in 1930s money.

tax and sell!!!

Apr 21 2009, 1:23 pm

For too long I have let the hippies love obama and demand taxes on pot.

We need to grow and sell weed to pay the taxes we already face. Property Tax, License Renewal Tax, Vehicle Registration, and Inspection tax, Gasoline Tax, Phone Tax, Internet Tax, Sales tax, prepared food tax, Interstate Tolls, plus many other taxes.

Taxes suck!!!

Apr 21 2009, 1:18 pm

Tax the hell out of it because it will make me feel better than the current war on Marijuana.

This is a reply seen below.


War on some drugs is horrible and people are suffering because of it. This does not mean we should justify something with taxes.

For one the land the weed is grown is taxed, The Electricity is taxed, In some cases the water usage is taxed. So with these taxes already in place why pay another tax for what you are growing using the already taxed land, electricity and water. P{lus the phone calls you will recieve from potential buyers. you pay a tax on that phone line too. Seems to me the government has too many hands out.

When is the last time you heard of a tax being repealed or lowered?

Hello We need money we dont need to be losing money.

Stop believing this Rockefeller Illuminati control grid. They have you so fooled.

umm

Apr 21 2009, 3:40 am

I just found out that DC has settled the Magbie case with a "substantial" settlement. I read though that even though the voters in DC voted to have medical Marijuana available to people like Mr Magbie in 1998, DC refused to listen to the voters.

When warmongers lead the people, people suffer and die.

When will it end? Is there any hope of decency returning to the states? Will anyone have any sympathy for us as a nation if we are ever in need of any kind of help from Countries outside the states? Or will we be spit on, and set on fire and dragged around? If we do not show compasion for ALL people as a nation, then what happens when the karmic bubble bursts?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBixgXrRpeo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvtsgcYuEaQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZvtmXfOiRs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xf6qAjCBVrY

dynoman

Apr 21 2009, 1:51 am

You know I really get depressed when I read a news forum about an event that is pretty much a complete waste of f-ing time, a fake check? that is below pacifism, that is like saying "please don't hurt me if you don't want to" and if your too stoned to say something at least a little bit on subject, then get your hands off the keyboard and back on the mouse.

Eagle eye 1

Apr 20 2009, 5:22 pm

http://www.infowars.com/

HU210

Apr 20 2009, 12:09 pm

However, the U.S. Gov does hold a patent on medical MJ.
But still denies that cannabis is medicine.

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/257008

LiveFromThe305

Apr 20 2009, 10:42 am

HAPPY IV:XX!

HU210

Apr 20 2009, 10:23 am

Say what?

If your bull would jump the fence and impregnate my cows. I would have to pay the farmer that owned the bull for the service?

Now thats a line of bull!

D-Bag

Apr 20 2009, 8:57 am

Happy 4-20, High Times!

Just wanted to take the time out to say that. :)

mba1189

Apr 20 2009, 8:22 am

ITS PATENT YOU DUMB SHIT! As for G-13 being PATENTED, I doubt this is true. Last I checked, a plant is a plant and you can not patent a plant. You can patent a certain coating for a seed to help it sprout energetically and with little to no dull growing seeds.

What's all this talk of Green Jobs? Not possible without HEMP.

BTW, This news story is nonexistent in mainstream media, very depressing.

stoney republican

Apr 20 2009, 8:17 am

What american citizen is talking about is the same stepsthat our american government took to stop the general consumer from producing their own tobacco. you see how that worked out. sometimes leaving something illegal is not as bad as a legalized tobacco. The taxes on "corperate pot" would be staggering.

smoke bud.

Apr 20 2009, 7:54 am

What the hell is american citizen talking about? hahaha

umm

Apr 20 2009, 1:59 am

I bet the citizen below would feel differently if they were in an over crowded urine smelling prison cell right now.

american citizen

Apr 20 2009, 1:44 am

me as a pot head i say no to legal weed. because the government will put a patten on a seed. which they do already. G-13 grows at the university in Mississippi. there fore if that is there patten seed. so if your crop get pollenated with there's they can claim on some of the seed. because of PATTEN LAWS. even though if it was an accident and could be proven accident. YOUR STILL FUCK. COPY RIGHT(PAtten INFRINGEMENT)get the point. so if you sell your crop you gotta pay them. SO do really wanna fuck your self more!!!!!!!!!!

NO LEGALIZE IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

umm

Apr 20 2009, 1:25 am

Coast to coast am are talking about us right now!

umm

Apr 20 2009, 1:23 am

George Knapp just said he PROMISES he didn't plan on putting the hempusa.org commercial after talking about marijuana...

Why did he feel he had to say he did not know. What if he did? Whats the BIG DEAL???? What did he do wrong?

MAN!

umm

Apr 20 2009, 1:19 am

hempusa.org commercial! yay!

Happy 420 all!

umm

Apr 20 2009, 1:11 am

Coast to coast am with Mr Knapp is talking about the stupidity of prohibition! yay!

Reefer madness

Apr 19 2009, 10:38 pm

Its almost 420. youtube this video please and share it.
j2o Reefer Madness
He speaks the truth for our cause!

HU210

Apr 19 2009, 7:37 pm

President Obama. Globe trottin around the world "Reachin out to all" as the headlines go. Most recently Cuba.
That is alright with me. It really is.
However, it would be nice if he reached out to those that brought him to the promised land. You know.
All of the cannabis consumers tacitly convinced with slick illusions of support for at least MMJ, and veiled refrences to better usage of finiancial resourses than jailing non-violent offences, blah,blah.

But no, calls us terrorst and supporters of the violent Drug Cartels. Then increases funding and restoring funding to anti-drug task forces (Byrun Grants*spellin* ect.)

Troops to the Mexican border.

Some change

AREIAL

Apr 19 2009, 7:27 pm

THE GOVERNMENT DOES NOT WANT INDUSTRAL HEMP OR MEDICAL MARIJUANA BECAUSE THEY THINK IT WILL LEAD TO LEGAL MARIJUANA THE GOVERNMENT DON'T WANT LEGAL MARIJUANA BECAUSE THEY THINK IT WILL LEAD TO ALL DRUGS BEING LEGAL LIKE I SAID BEFORE THE GOVERNMENT HAS MY DADS SICK TWISTED PEN SUCKING LEADS TO DICK SUCKING LOGIC.

ALEX JONES

Apr 19 2009, 6:50 pm

THE GOVERNMENT IS CRIMINAL...THE GOVERNMENT IS CRIMINAL

THEIR GOING TO TAKE EVERYTHING YOU GOT

answer

Apr 19 2009, 4:51 pm

because buying bootleg weed is illegal! If it was regulated you would'nt get shit deals and you would never get weed with glass beads in it, which is what happened to a friend of mine once, the fool still smoked it anyway though hahaha

Benway

Apr 19 2009, 3:10 pm

Then the question is: Who would buy regulated and taxed weed when you could buy "bootleg" weed for half the price?

gstlab3

Apr 19 2009, 11:44 am

I ALMOST FORGOT!! HAPPY 4/20 ALL YA ALL!! I WONT BE AROUND SO SO MANY HEADS TO VISIT AND ALOToWEED TO SMOKE!!!PEACE!

gstlab3

Apr 19 2009, 11:41 am

THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED., NOTHING!. "DID THE MASS MEDIA HAVE "ON T.V." "ANYTHING," ANYWHERE, AT ANY TIME?., LET ALONE A REAL REPORTER COVERING THIS EVENT?!???"HELL NO., THE MEDIA IS CONTROLED BY WHO?????? CAN ANY ONE ANSWER THAT FOR Me WITHOUT BEING A WISE ASS? ABOUT IT? WHO IS FEEDING US THIS LACK OF INFORMATION? NEVER MIND HALF THE OTHER WORLD NEWS THEY DO NOT BOTHER WITH.,I POSE THIS QUESTION TO THE MEDIA.,
"WHAT IS WRONG WITH COVERING A BUNCH OF HARMLESS POT SMOKING HIPPY LOVING PEOPLE WHO WANT TO CHANGE THE WORLD FOR THE BETTER OF ALL MANKIND BY GROWING SOME WEED AND MAKING PEOPLE HAPPY FOR AWHILE?

sooo

Apr 19 2009, 5:00 am

this was 3 days ago what happend?

please

Apr 19 2009, 2:21 am

Legalization is about unity through a common goal, if anyone wants to talk personal politics, religion, ethnicity, or which president sucks more, then go to CNN or FOX, they are just begging for your interpretation of what they already said. If it's not about the sacred plant, stash it.

dynoman

Apr 19 2009, 2:09 am

OK, the government is making a big deal about the war on drugs in Mexico, and the deaths involved. I'm from Texas were ALLOT of grass comes from Mexico. Our government should LEGALIZE IT but make it illegal to import, that would keep money flowing to stop the killing, and provide a free American market for local growers nation wide. Cops could concentrate on real criminals, the private sector saves and makes money, how could anyone not understand the simplicity and common sense involved? Who knows how to live green better than a GARDNER? and YES alcohol is cancer compared to a weed cough.

umm

Apr 18 2009, 11:54 pm

Danny Danko hit it right on as they say. It is lots less harmful than alcohol. That I can testify too.

Oh an for your listening enjoyment for this fine week-end, let's go back in time to the 70's and listen to some comedy
from Cab Coloway via the Dr Demento Show

http://drdemento.net/promos/g089-promo-128.m3u

Michael06

Apr 18 2009, 7:33 pm

I think this was a great idea. This should hopefully catch the eyes of many and give them the idea that all this money spent trying to stop marijuana could go towards something more useful!
Great idea!

tokindaddy

Apr 18 2009, 10:11 am

wish I could of been there, I was with you in spirit

anonymous

Apr 18 2009, 2:32 am

http://www.rottingnation.com/2008/09/10/ron-paul-activists-shaken-down-at-rnc/

420 24/7

Apr 18 2009, 2:12 am

Legalization is closer than ever! :D

BrAidy

Apr 17 2009, 8:14 pm

People wouldn't technically have to pay more. In TN weed is much more expensive than in TX. It depends on where you're at. Not only that but imagine going to a store and buying joints for 3$ a pop. Get a pack of 20 for 60$. That seems a little high but its not hard to sell a jay for 5$ in TN. Not only that but it saves the hassel of callin your dealer to find out hes got some dirty ass swag or worse he's out. I mean you can grow your own weed its just a pain in the ass waiting for it to grow. In these days, people are more than willing to pay out the ass for convience. I can't wait for the day when I can go to the store and pick up a dub thats already broken up with no seeds or stems. Not only that but also if its commercially grown, its gonna be some good bud. Medical weed is the shit. Imagine having multi billion dollar companies competeing to grow better weed. Cause thats what will happen. Now hurry up and legalize it so I can stop buying marlboro 27s and buy me some marlboro 420s.

karma smoke

Apr 17 2009, 4:51 pm

so i called NORML to find out what happened when they presented this " 14 billion dollar check " to the us treasury. they said it was more symbolic to show them what would happen if they legalized marijuana based on studies from years ago . is anybody fuckin listening or actually doin anythin major and real to start this reform. stop presenting fake checks , stop makin govt think of possiblities and lets get some fuckin results happenin. i mean come on now. wave a real 14 billion dollar check in front of their fuckin faces and if they say no then take it back and go fuckin public with this shit . this is bullshit .

Finy

Apr 17 2009, 4:33 pm

Ive read further down the comments and it is just woeful. Rich kid from greece SAYS IT ALL IN CAPS SO IT MUST BE TRUE. I could see the point in having caps lock on if the comment actually provided some insight or wisdom but, again, its just some other plebian spouting hatred. About lesbians. Get a fucking education, read some books, maybe experience life a little and last but not least socialize with humnanity and get a broad spectrum view on what people are like instead of just reading some random shit on the net and copy the sentiment behind the message. Original thought is the way forward. Unless its to incite animosity, then ram it up your mangina's.

Finny

Apr 17 2009, 4:25 pm

Comments like those below are the reason weed has such a negative image. At least if you are posting something spell it correctly. Its "here" not "hear". Im not even Canadian but your spouting hatred. Pure and simple. And as for anonymous' comment below scott's, i mean, what the fuck? seriously? They enter anywhere around the world with keys to switch my stash? Get the fuck out. Its "eradicating", not "irraticating". Sorry for the spelling lesson but this is the last type of person we want to advocate marijuana legislation. On account of them being narrow minded illiterate fucktards of the highest level.

gdzzle,Sa,tx

Apr 17 2009, 1:37 pm

U'r retarded cronic koda bud, Obama didn't put us in debt, fuckin stupid bush did.

kronik koda bud

Apr 17 2009, 1:24 pm

ok look if we legalize weed the economey would sky rocket back up to its once former glory. all we need to do is legalize it and the tax on weed would pull us up from the debt that obama put us in. look screw the president if we took this country over i bet the stoners of today would run this country way better then obama. weed is the best thing on this planet and we all ready arnt supposed to have it,if it gets legalized all the people that do it to be cool will stop because its not cool to follow the law lol. that would lower the crime rate by sooo much because the biggest problem we have is weed and its better for you then alcohale or how ever you spell it idc but yeah,if we were to legalize it the world would be a better place. hell just look at amsterdam they are way better off then us right now dam just legalize it allready pce

cherokeendn

Apr 17 2009, 10:54 am

my bday is 420 and its so sad i cant smoke this year cuz im on probation and my damn po wants me to see him on the 21. I think that barack odrama aint goin to help shit with weed and hell cover it up with the economic problems.

twiceashigh@8:40

Apr 17 2009, 4:01 am

come on already...leagalize it! FUCK

HU210

Apr 17 2009, 12:59 am

@Kira

First, if weed were legal not only would the DRUG LAW CREATED CRIME at the Mexican border cease. The price of weed would drop. There would be enough annual savings now wasted on weed prohibition. To prevent the need for a weed tax. And lets not forget sales tax on vaporizers, bongs, etc., would amount to a hell of alot of revenue. Without having the government meddeling in our weed affairs any longer. That is the essence of FREEDOM.

That said. I am flattered that you were so hitting on me. But I am married.

There should be a few spelling errors in there for you to complain about.

thizzle420

Apr 17 2009, 12:47 am

what a lot of people here don't understand is the pricing of marijuana before and after it's legal so i hope to clear some things up.
First of there is a reason weed cost $45 an eighth, $280 an ounce or w.e. prices are in your local area...beacuse its illegal
even if it was taxed pices would go down to the actaul value of cannabis and the plant it self.
At a tax of 550 an ounce the most likley retail price would stand at $80 and ounce which is $100 cheaper than prices now.

texasfriedpie

Apr 16 2009, 6:41 pm

we all know the money that could be saved from decriminalizing and not paying for the pot related jail terms alone!regulate and tax and sell over the counter. Let me grow my own, each person should atleast be able to grow some personel ! Oh yea come get my gunes from my cold dead fingers!!!I`m from Texas where about to succeed any way says our gov lol. if you dont like what i said or how i spelled Fuck you! go burn one!

crowd?

Apr 16 2009, 5:13 pm

did only five people show up to this thing?

Kira

Apr 16 2009, 4:17 pm

@HU210
I know it sounded weird the way I worded it, it's hard for me to explain.
I'm pretty sure that people would have no problem with paying a reasonable amount more for legal weed, rather than paying less and risk getting arrested. And without their main product, lots of organized drug syndicates would collapse.
Btw you spelled existent wrong. Ben Franklin lived in a completely different world than the one we live in now.
Also, I like your username.
210x2=420
:D

anonymous

Apr 16 2009, 3:52 pm

This is what I've been talking about for a while now.... Pot Lobbyists. But who's to say the bastards won't just take the money and then forget where it came from.

HU210

Apr 16 2009, 2:30 pm

The Obama administration is actually considering reinstating the assult weapons ban. To curb violence at Mexican border.

And many think Obama will lose valuable support if comes out in favor of weed?

Wait until he treads on gun owners, if ya wanna see him lose support of the nation.

harley

Apr 16 2009, 2:02 pm

I just hope this wont just give our government more money to spend on useless things like the bush administration did. Other than that, I support this bill and I WILL LOSE MONEY BECAUSE OF IT. If my green is taxed then it becomes a whole lot more expensive for me, but its stupid that I am labeled a drug addict because I smoke some ganja.

mba1189

Apr 16 2009, 12:40 pm

HELL YEAH!! Ron Paul told this bitch off and I was so pumped! Obama is too busy playing with the new family dog to worry about Drug Policy.

HU210

Apr 16 2009, 11:02 am

Q. Who has been on most if not all of the news-lie shows defending weed? Including CNN yesterday?
A. Ron Paul( It sure aint Obama)

mba1189

Apr 16 2009, 10:39 am

for some reason, i just think its harder to spell things wrong. BTW, correct spelling helps other readers understand your post.

HU210

Apr 16 2009, 10:38 am

@ Adam

Because the grower and seller wont attempt to deny me my rights when they take my money for their WORK.

This can not be said of a government thief.

HU210

Apr 16 2009, 10:33 am

@ Kira
Pay more for weed to be safe?
What kind of warped logic is that? The danger is caused by prohibition.
Legalize and the border violence becomes almost non-existint. No need for taxes to stop that. Just a change in the law would accomplish that.

Ben Franklin warrned about trading liberty for safety.

Jakky Horror 61781

Apr 16 2009, 10:25 am

how i see it weed is a profitabul and natual comodity andthe world needs it keep o i meen if u can make drugs that fuck with peoples minds purks and junk and they alture proples subcontious how ever givin a proper does puts a control on it so it odnt become a habbit and the gov. makes bank so now were in a resstion ok whats the most profiabl least harmless profitabu move for te gov. sell bud for fuck sake they made E an used it in couples conculling back in the day thn they made it illagle so why not give weed a try...moral and baiss of my rant if the gov. wants go come close to ending a resion and generating more money in our ecoonemy croppin sum dank nuggets of sum g13 and selling 20 prerolled gram joints in a pack of gov-n-pfs for34.80 in ma an 28.60 in nh im all for it or a back or 5 gorrillafingers all natural lafed bllunts wighiin in at 2.5 each we can fucks with um plus it would open up spots in jails an instatutions rehabs an all of the plascesli that that are al wed related an r jsut a waste of fuckin space u can kill iggsin iraq for oil but can sell pot how the fuck does that wight out...thinking..thinkgin...yea dick it dont

Adam

Apr 16 2009, 2:09 am

When you buy from a dealer you are paying more than when you buy from a grower call it inflation call it taxes call it what you want, but the bottom line is someone is making money so why shouldn't the government have there hand in that persons pocket too?

anonymous

Apr 16 2009, 12:57 am

NO WE DON"T!!

We dont wanna pay no stinking taxes on our weed!

Kira

Apr 16 2009, 12:17 am

Obviously if Marijuana was legalized then it wouldn't just be everywhere, it would be regulated, and a licencse would be required to sell it. Legalizing marijuana would also help get rid of organized crime groups that import marijuana from Mexico to the U.S., as more than half their profit is made from the sale of marijuana. Even if marijuana cost more to buy with taxes, Americans would gladly pay more for the certainty of safety, rather than cheaper and the fear of being arrested. Though it my not be the safest thing, legalizing marijuana would allow the government billions more in spending and let police do more important work related to murders and assults. If marijuana is legalized, it is likely that it will become illegal again sometime in the future.

Legalise

Apr 15 2009, 11:45 pm

HEMP NOT TREES:Get tea bagged.

Groovy Kind of Love

Apr 15 2009, 11:43 pm

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Justinman420

Apr 15 2009, 10:11 pm

Just legalize. Money for tax dollars. The Govt should be all over this. OPEN YOUR EYES! We beg of you.

ijit

Apr 15 2009, 7:34 pm

"stand up and tell the higher ups what we want"!?!

you really think they give a f*ck what WE want?

unless you got some serious cash, your voice ain't heard

and the pols know for every one of us there is one:
focus on the family member
steven baldwin born again
young republican..etc, etc

In Need

Apr 15 2009, 6:51 pm

Medical in florida..

Need help...


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legalize it already .. im fucking going crazy over here smoking this bum ass shit.. (mids).. just industrialize and help ppl.

mba1189

Apr 15 2009, 6:11 pm

and Jdo420zzz's concern about "poopie" weed; capitalism.

You ask what we are to do when poopie shit is the more affordable weed to purchase then say the higher quality bud.
Well, I would have to say that is some quandry you thought of, if perhaps this weren't already a case in the black market!

Lower grade weed will without a doubt be less expensive. Higher grade weed will without a doubt be more expensive. If you want better bud, you pay more. This is similar to the alcohol industry. Sky Vodka costs more than a bottle of Vladimir Vodka for obvious reasons. If you want better vodka, you have to pay more. If you want better quality anything in our society, YOU GENERALLY PAY MORE!

If you would like to know more, just ask around.

mba1189

Apr 15 2009, 6:00 pm

@ Jdo420zzz or whatever

The mental stress you refer to is not always exacerbated by marijuana use. At least the stress is not maximized to a point of say, psychotic tendencies or schizophrenia . The people with the likelyhood of this happening, should already be under some kind of treatment, unrelated to marijuana use.

Besides the point, i think the actually percentage of americans with clinical schizophrenia is about 1 percent. Fear mongering is supposed to be a prohibitionists tactic. So, are you truly an activist or are you a narc? I smell bacon and its on your fat doughnut munching ass.

Zandercarden420

Apr 15 2009, 5:52 pm

WELL, IN THE PAST, THE CANNABIS PLANT WAS CONSIDERED A NATIONAL TREASURE. IT WAS ILLEGAL FOR PROPERTY OWNERS NOT TO HAVE AT LEAST ONE PLANT ON THEIR PROPERTY. THE FOSSIL FUEL INDUSTRY IS REALLY WHAT MADE IT ILLEGAL THROUGH PROPAGANDA AND LIES. ALL BECAUSE THEY KNEW THAT HEMP OIL WAS MORE EFFICIENT THAN FOSSIL OILS. ITS ALL POLITICS AND AS MUCH AS I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT BE LEGALIZED FOR THE RESPONSIBLE RECREATIONAL ADULT USER, I DON'T THINK IT WILL HAPPEN IN MY LIFE TIME. BETTER OFF MOVING TO HOLLAND :-P

Jdo420zzz

Apr 15 2009, 5:36 pm

Look, you say its less harmful than alcohol but yet if you let a person with less than severe pshycotic issues smoke a joint it turns their less than severe issues into extremely severe issues, now im a smoker myself, but i just dont think that at this point in our countrys history or in our society as americans that would could possibly legalize it without creating more issues than there already were....just my two cents...btw i would be excited to see it legalized...but what happens when all they sell is poopie shit, and to get the real shit you have to pay rediculous prices far more than what you payed before...uhhhohhhhhh

gstlab3

Apr 15 2009, 4:35 pm

DEAR SIRS AND MADAME OF THE HIGH TIMES FORUM., WE ARE AT A POINT WHEN THE FORCES FOR GOOD AND FREE MEN ARE GOING TO PUT TO THE ULTIMATE TEST.,THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IN COOPERATION WITH STATE AND LOCAL FORCES ARE JOINING IN A GRAND UNIFIED EFFORT TO DISRUPT OUR LIVES TO THE POINT OF INSTABILTY AND AT SOME POINT OPEN REBELLION WILL ERRUPT.,THE POLICE POWERS AS THEY STAND NOW ARE GREAT., BUT IF YOU ADD IN THE LOCAL BRANCHES OF NATIONAL GUARD AND ARMY TROOPS TO THE MIX., MANY LIVES AND OUR PRECIOUS FREEDOMS WILL BE LOST.TO GIVE THE GOVERNMENT ANYMORE RESORCES WOULD BE FOOLHARDY AT BEST AND SUICIDAL FOR MOST OF THE COUNTRIES FEW PRECIOUS RESORCES OF STILL FREE MEN WHO CAN STILL THINK FOR THEMSELVES AND DEFEND THEMSELVES FROM THE TYRANY UNFOLDING BEFOR US NOW. ref/N.E.C. Act HR645. IF THIS IS TRUE AND UNDERSTOOD AS WRITTEN WE ARE GOING TO SEE OPEN CIVIL WAR IN THE UNITED STATES!!! I CAN PROMISE YOU ALL THAT MUCH. IT WILL BE A SAD DAY AND OUR FOREFATHERS WILL WEEP IN THEIR GRAVES.

HEMP NOT TREES

Apr 15 2009, 3:56 pm

ThanksForNothing....go jump off a cliff, we don't need you in our struggle, try contributing something positive instead of making pointless, ridiculous comments from your ass...

THANKS FOR NOTHING

Apr 15 2009, 3:26 pm

Wow.It was just four losers making a mockery of everything that is wrong with decriminalizing/legalizing marijuana.
Four assholes writing this whole experience off on next year's taxes,in irony.
Get back in your hemp-powered clown car and exit Manhattan IMMEDIATELY,you selfish bastards.

to Thewarondrugslost

Apr 15 2009, 3:07 pm

@Thewarondrugslost

That is exactly the attitude that we don't need. Everyone needs to stand up and tell the "higher-ups" what we want. If we keep doing that, and get more and more people to do it, we can make a difference

Thewarondrugslost

Apr 15 2009, 2:42 pm

It doesn't matter to me whether or not marijuana is legalized. I'm still going to smoke it as it is the best medicine I have ever encountered for my pain. If marijuana happens to be legalized one day, then so be it, but until then...

Supporter

Apr 15 2009, 2:25 pm

Looks like from the pictures of the Tea Party and the NORML presentation, that the Marijuana supporters still have jobs to go to while this recession must have hit those anti-tax protesters hard... See, if Marijuana/Cannabis/Hemp was legal they might still have a job or at least be applying for one of the thousand opportunities that would open up if it was legal.

renee

Apr 15 2009, 2:20 pm

I am so sick of hearing of all the drunk driving accidents in the news and alcohol is legal! they say marijuana is a gateway drug. I don,t know about anyone else but I think alcohol is a huge gateway drug! Just legalize it already!!

Zachariah Langley

Apr 15 2009, 2:10 pm

If they're gonna legalize it and tax it I hope they make DAMN sure marijuana is moved from a Schedule 1 drug to at least a four or five, then once legalized turned over to the PEOPLE.. we can handle it from there ;) On April 20th when you smoke pray that by the next 4/20 the herb will be legal and free to ALL God's children!

P-Towns Finest

Apr 15 2009, 2:08 pm

IGNORANCE IS OUR SCHEDULE ONE!!!

ALEX JONES

Apr 15 2009, 1:59 pm

Please protest the private federal reserve today. Stand up and unite against tyranny.

NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION

danny danko

Apr 15 2009, 1:47 pm

-
"Danko, stick to your wonderland articles."

Not sure what you're referring to, but, thanks?

Anyway, I hope to see you all at the demonstration today at 4:20. Legalize, tax and regulate.

Potna

Apr 15 2009, 1:26 pm

I agree with watchin the obama deception on youtube. i watched it and i think a lot of the information in there has alot to do with why marijuana is still illegal

dielone

Apr 15 2009, 1:21 pm

i agree that if legalized we need to tax; however, whats going to stop big corporations from coming in and forcing out the small bizz? adding chemicals? with medical here in oregon we pay 100.00$ a year for the same right. no offence, but if the government told me i had to pay 30 an oz. in taxes, i would spend 1620.00 a year, not to mention fees associated with registration. so best of luck to everyone not within 200 miles of Humboldt co. that is rich.

Danielle

Apr 15 2009, 1:01 pm

watch the video "The Obama Deception" - you might learn a lot! :) I found it on (youtube)

stockastics

Apr 15 2009, 12:41 pm

It amazes me to see what our politicians are turning a blind eye on. In a country with billions of dollars in deficit, our leaders are so ignorant about marijuana. We could of probably prevented this all if it had been legalized and properly taxed years ago. I would gladly pay taxes on marijuana if were legalized. Besides, with more open opportunity to produce and dispense the product, the general price would lower to the point that it would probably even out to paying the same amount. Even if that were not the case, I'de pay an extra 10 bucks on a dime bag just for simple pleasure of smoking a joint in front of my local courthouse. That being said, taxes are here for a reason. I may not agree with the way it is dispersed, but if you don't like taxes there are other countries you could check out. I hear you don't pay taxes in Ethiopia.

HU210

Apr 15 2009, 12:38 pm

The government involvement in the ecnomy via deficit spending is the problem, and the government answer is more of the same.

http://swans.com/library/art15/ga268.html

And ya all wanna give them more money to piss away?
How about keeping all taxes in the city or county collected.
Then we can keep an eye on how it is spent.

Now that makes sense to me

mba1189

Apr 15 2009, 12:34 pm

I wonder what Glen Beck has to say about this???? And will I see this story on any 24/7 news media channel? Or will I just have to listen to some prohibitionists reaction to this "crazy" idea?

Danko, stick to your wonderland articles. Leave pot politics to the smart writers, like Bobby Black. Oh wait, nvm. Danko, your doin just fine.

HU210

Apr 15 2009, 12:28 pm

Ya and "taxing the hell out of it" wont invite the same problems that prohibition has wrought.As well as provide a need to keep anti-drug crusaders around to kick in our door to see if we are in "tax compliance"

Funny me. I thouhjt it was about freedom.

ya everyone knows that there will be a tax if/when legalized(even me). But to allow the government to determine how much the tax will be is insane.( we will need a consent of the goverened clause before any tax increases be imposed) Take the $50.00 per OZ tax proposed in a California bill.

Thats way to much. Anything above $1.00 per gram or $20.00 an OZ when purchasing an OZ. Is acceptable, but is still to much. In my opinion.

Landon GN

Apr 15 2009, 12:20 pm

Get Involved! Donate to NORML and get the message out there. We Want Reform and We Want it NOW! http://cli.gs/UaXHJG

DazedandConfused

Apr 15 2009, 12:11 pm

If the tax money was used wisely to help the economy, create new industries using cannabis and put millions of people back to work, then I would be happy to pay the tax. Don't think of it as a tax, but a donation to improve society and Civil Rights!

LMC/USA

Apr 15 2009, 12:06 pm

slow down sparky ud puke if u knew just how privitized
those entities really are ur taxes help kill innocent people also but go on do what ur told like a good drone

danko

Apr 15 2009, 11:59 am

Yeah, so more of the same huh? Arrests, confiscations, taking people's kids away, throwing peaceful people in jail, killing dogs. As long as it doesn't effect you, it's all good right.

You can keep your blinders on. Not me. If taxing pot means an end to the war on flowers, then tax the hell out of it. I'm not trying to overthrow the government, I just want to smoke my pot in peace.

You say you want a revolution? You can count me out. Taxes pay for plenty of important things like postal service, roads and schools. Just because you don't agree with everything they're used for, doesn't mean they're inherently wrong. Legal and taxed pot would be a huge step in the right direction for all of us who have been oppressed. You'll come around eventually. Until then, don't say we didn't try.

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HU210

Apr 15 2009, 11:21 am

The Government has tread on me far to long to support any tax on euphoric cannabis.

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