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Woman Killed While Acting As Police Informant After Pot Bust

Sun, May 18, 2008 10:50 am


Source: Tampa Bay News

 

 

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Irv Hoffman and Margie Weiss wondered Friday how their only child went from police informer to murder victim.

 

Rachel Hoffman, 23, who grew up in Pinellas County and recently graduated from Florida State University, was found dead in a rural area near Tallahassee two days after she disappeared while helping police with a narcotics investigation.

 

On Friday evening, her parents gathered with friends in their daughter's Tallahassee apartment. They railed against the Tallahassee Police Department for putting their daughter in harm's way and then blaming her for getting killed.

 

"It's like sending a lamb into the den with the lions," said Irv Hoffman, 58, of Palm Harbor.

 

Before Rachel Hoffman disappeared, Weiss remembered getting a call from her daughter, who planned to come home for Mother's Day.

 

"She asked me to pray for her," Weiss said. "She was going to do something that was dangerous."

 

Hoffman's parents wondered why police allowed a young woman with no police training to make such a dangerous rendezvous. So far, many of their questions have gone unanswered.

 

Last year, Hoffman was charged with felony marijuana possession. Then, she failed to appear in court. Her parents think she felt pressured to help police to clear her name.

 

According to the Tallahassee Democrat, police announced Friday that Hoffman faced multiple felony charges when she agreed to pose as a buyer. On Wednesday, she was supposed to purchase 1,500 pills of ecstasy, 2 ounces of cocaine or crack cocaine and a gun.

 

Police said she didn't follow protocol, leaving officer supervision to go with Andrea J. Green and Deneilo Bradshaw, now suspects in her disappearance and her death. Green has spent time in prison on charges of selling marijuana and aggravated assault with a weapon.

 

"Unfortunately, Rachel chose to ignore precautions established in a previous briefing as well as the direction of her case agent," police Chief Dennis Jones said.

 

The Florida Department of Law Enforcement arrested Green and Bradshaw on Thursday in Orlando, according to the Democrat. On Friday, they led police to Hoffman's body and were charged with armed robbery and kidnapping.

 

A graduate of Countryside High School in Clearwater, Hoffman majored in psychology at FSU. Later, she realized her passion was cooking and planned to go to culinary school in Arizona.

 

Hoffman's father described her as an affectionate person who loved her cat Bently and sought thrills: skydiving, traveling in Europe and the Middle East, parasailing, even riding in a hot-air balloon.

 

"In 23 years she probably did more than most people do in 60 years," Irv Hoffman said.

 

Weiss, of Safety Harbor, said the marijuana possession was a minor offense that shouldn't have landed her in such trouble.

 

"They destroyed her whole life and her future," Weiss, 57, said. "My daughter's life has been taken away from me."



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kinder

Jul 2 2008, 3:26 pm

I knew that there was something about this story that was missing. Thank you for the link!!

troubledntally

Jul 2 2008, 1:43 am

go to tallahassee.com and check out today's story. If you can print all articles,and download the search warrant application & the letter on from the family mother's day, and the letter from the family Attny. today. 2 AR-15's?????
WTF??????????????

kinder

Jun 29 2008, 10:30 am

To Troubledntally:
Once again thank you, and i too wish no harm for my fellow man.People should not be so blind in their vision, you get what you give, people have a choice, give love or give hate
or at least wait for the facts,or if you could walk a mile in her shoes.

PEACE

troubledntally

Jun 28 2008, 10:56 pm

Kinder,
I'm not advocating anyone's violent death for their beliefs.
What I hope is that more people will realize that,whether you now, or ever,or never smoked pot, The law affects you. You pay for the enforcement of this law. Are YOU registered to vote? We have to get active, there's too many of us to be ignored. We have to vote, we have to push the people who want our vote to earn it.This will be Rachel Morningstar Hoffman's best memorial. Work to change the law. Vote, Have an Impact.
Peace

kinder

Jun 28 2008, 8:01 pm

This has been long in coming,cause guess what,justice will
be served and while doing so alot of heads are going to roll. As well they should.
NOW ALL YOU PEOPLE WHO SAY SHE GOT WHAT WAS COMING TO HER,
LOOKOUT!!!!!!!
CAUSE YOU ARE GONNA GET WHAT'S COMING TO YOU.
NOW THATS MY JUDGEMENT!

kinder

Jun 28 2008, 7:14 pm

Hey man thankx for the facts and the follow up!!!!!!!
THANKX.

troubledntally

Jun 28 2008, 3:31 am

Go to Tallahassee.com and check out the "official" version. Everyone is ranting about TPD screwing this up. It's much worse than that. TPD(Tallahassee police Dept.),Leon Co. Sheriff's Office, Fla. Dept. of Law Enforcement AND The always lovable Drug Enforcement Agency were all involved in the murder of this young woman. They sent her with a tracking device and $13k of buy money and 'lost' her? LCSO alone has two apache helicopters and at least one huey that coulda been used to watch her. They took a 5 oz pot bust with 6 'pills' and sent her to buy 2ozs of coke,1500 hits of X,and a GUN?
She was shot multiple times with a .25 caliber gun. Then they announce that she's 'missing'and proceed to smear her with felony charges that she was never arrested for,and the state attny was unaware of. Dad offers a $150k reward for her return. Less than 24 hrs after they 'lost' her,they found the guys they'd "never heard of" in Orlando,200 miles away. They got a scared, naive 23 year old girl killed. To everyone who thinks she got what she deserved,You can kiss my A**, and if you die a violent death in any way, police 'protection' or not, you'll have gotten what YOU deserve. Narc or not, nothing she did justifies her death.
July 12,2008 year of Bushit, come to Quincy,FL for the Purple Hat Music Festival to benefit the Morningstar Foundation. Peace

Cheezy

Jun 24 2008, 8:47 pm

If you are shady enough to rat out the ones you know, you deserve to end up in a grave. The cops were wrong, but she lost all credibility, loyalty, respect, and most importantly her life for being stupid.

????????

Jun 17 2008, 5:04 pm

RACHAL R.I.P.

narcotic nazi

May 23 2008, 4:31 pm

snitches get ditches? real fuckin mature dumb fuck i hope when you get a kid she grows up to be a crack whore better yet i hope she gets raped by a 56 year old crack feind then well see wats up nobody gives a flying fuck about pot dip shit but i for one am not going to stand idly by while dick fucks like you and your whore of a mother and peice of shit drunk father sit there and talk shit over some one who died for nothing i personly pray that when you wake up next morning a meth lad explodeds right next mother fucking door and lops off your moms dome peice and your fathers arm and while you burnt to holy shit try to get into your car or fuck that even open your front door boom!!! your ass is grass people ike you deserve to get shot you lifless basterds get raped and and shot as for the rest of you who belive that narcotics should be burnt alive with all who do them load a bowl and relax cuz there time will come soon enough

Jimbob

May 22 2008, 3:35 pm

Amen. I really hope they get some traction. IMHO the cops are just as culpable as the person who pulled the trigger.

Okla420

May 22 2008, 1:37 pm

I was just reading the other day in an email that Rachael was a member of Students for sensible drug policy which is probably a lot more then anyone who has posted "that snitch got what she deserved" can say.

Right now her parents have set up a foundation to help push legislation that requires that a suspect be given legal counsel before acting as a police informant as well as to decriminalise pot in Florida.

CRAVERLOK

May 21 2008, 10:51 am

THATS SOME FUCK UP SHIT QUE NO I MEAN WHY BUST A 23 YEAR OLD GIRL AND PUT HER IN DANGER FOR SOME HERB. I MEAN THATS SOME SHIT. IM FROM L.A AND SHIT LIKE THAT GOES DOWN ALL THE TIME BUT WUSS UP TO ALL THE HIGH TIMES READERS YEAH YEAH AND MY SINCIRE DISLIKE FOR THE LAW.

MARTINA

May 21 2008, 4:07 am

ITS LIKE THAT PENTHOUSE BITCH NATALIE CRUZE BUT CRUZE AINT ACTING

KINDER

May 20 2008, 9:38 pm

Somthing about this whole thing STINKS!

kinder

May 20 2008, 9:32 pm

Something interesting,or did i miss something.
Green and Bradshaw, where aressted for kidnapping and
another charge. And then leading the cops to the body.
Where is the pending MURDER CHARGE?

Slater

May 20 2008, 8:41 pm

She knew the guy and agreed to set him up.
The police asked her what all she could get, and she told them.
It sounds like they figured out what she was doing (Not the first time) and unloaded a clip into her chest.
She agreed from the beggining.
Haha, but you know what they say,
God Bless America, the Greatest Country on Earth.

totalbummer

May 20 2008, 8:13 pm

"she got what she deserved"..... I'm sure that's how the police justify thier course of action , because we all know 2 wrongs make a right

the fact is if the law wasn't fucked this wouldn't be an issue , keep fighting with and turning on each other...
the oldest trick in the book of mass mind control...

nice.

ZitO

May 20 2008, 5:34 pm

They set her up to getting harder drugs than marijuana, she was originally arrested for weed, why was she pressured or coerced to take on and assist in a sting operation to arrest a dealer of harder drugs? As well as obtain a fire arm? Even if she was a regular in that circle of crack and extacy then yes it can get dangerous, (people would wonder what's the matter with you etc.). Maybe she should have made her court date and deal with her own lumps instead of side deals for leniency etc. Further she should have confided her parents when this started happening. I'm sure she would have made her court date...parents provide lawyer...stuff like that. But when she did call, which was actually rather late, as a parent I would have been on that with the quickness, weed or whatever! "where are you? Im on my way!" So it's unfortunate that she put herself in obvious danger, she is what's known as an "drug-war casualty".

Slater

May 20 2008, 5:18 pm

The Righteous guy is just a kid is trying to stir up trouble.
Be the bigger person and just ignore it.
If you give in, he will just win.

Yep

May 20 2008, 4:55 pm

rightous one:
It must be really,really hard for you to get things right,
you know with your breathing problem and all.Go eat a donut.
Better yet, I'm having a PIG roast, love ta have ya over!!

Jimbob

May 20 2008, 4:21 pm

OH NO!! A man with a GED a badge, and a gun thinks Im a bad person. Im suprised your department spent the money to train you what a keyboard is, much less how to use it. I am baffled that there were no constituional law classes in your course of study. But hey 7/11 can only give up so much space on a wed.s evening for BLET right?

Keep it pertinant, and Ill listen. Spew garbage, and we will all know you're full of shit.

okla420

May 20 2008, 4:12 pm

To Umm:

The fact is, drug dealers and narcotics officers are not nice people. Drug dealing is not a "nice" business. It blows my mind that police would send in someone who apparently just had a possesion of marijuana charge (felony or not) to go buy a bunch of blow, weed and a gun is simply incredulous. The police exploited this young lady by making her promises about her failure to appear in court and criminal record.

Drug dealing is a violent business, and hopefully the people who killed her get what they deserve. This is exactly what is wrong with prohibition..you put money and guns into the hands of people who have no qualms at all to resort to violence to make a buck or two

to the dick below be

May 20 2008, 4:10 pm

you are full of shit and obviously an anti christ. Enjoy hell

Mature Adult

May 20 2008, 4:02 pm

to the child below :
Everbody supposed to yell at you now ? Not getting enough attention at home ? You poor little thing .

The righteous one

May 20 2008, 3:22 pm

You know what is funny, every time I bust one of you dirt bags, no matter how much shit you talk about how tough you are and won't snitch. "been to prison or not" You all beg to rat out your own family. It is hilarious that is why all of the shit you crave is illegal not one of you has any respect for life or property. Not one of you is worth the clean air you breathe. Except a few that are worth working as snitches the rest just rot away, behind bars.

Jimbob

May 20 2008, 7:58 am

My dear essex. You were never specificlly named in that indictment. Intolerance, and killin are the twats, and we become homes for them of our own volition. I rail against ignorance, and intolerance. For me the people are just people, its their actions that My adjectives are applied to. Those actions tell you who they are inside.

Anyone who says that the cold blooded killing oh nieve, scared, and dumb people is a good thing, are sick. It boggles my mind when they can think THEY are good people.
Maybe later on when they see killing doesnt do anything but get more of the same, well maybe then Ill change my ideas of them, but untill that point, they are sad, sad people.

Wow

May 19 2008, 11:32 pm

So many people with breathing problems. Know what i mean?

T-Boner

May 19 2008, 10:34 pm

I hoped they raped that bitch, I mean Snitch, too!

sittinginessex

May 19 2008, 9:14 pm

The cops did not let her down, she did not follow the protocol she was given. A shitty end to a shitty situation and yes it will go on again and again and again, until the government stops the war or people stop snitching.

kinder

May 19 2008, 6:15 pm

SO...........
This is what the war on drugs has come to, it makes people
act like this,post like this,feel like this (shitty).
The people she trusted let her down,and they say she did not follow proceedure.What cop would'nt want to cover his own ass when the shit hits the fan.
Now some of you posters have seen my post before, and i must say,was the girl right or wrong,most of you have already answered,I can,t say myself.And the worst part of this stroy is it,s gonna happen again and again and again.
END THE WAR!!!!!!!!!!!!
PEACE PS I CANNOT BE THE JUDGE THERE ARE
SO MANY ALREADY.

sittinginessex

May 19 2008, 6:09 pm

Hey Jimbob, am I still a 'Twat' or does my opinion and the expression of my views make me a 'Person' again? Remember, "It isn't nice to not be nice"!

Jimbob

May 19 2008, 5:47 pm

Well said Umm.

I think Ill take your advice.

To any of you whom I offended. Good, you felt, you thought, and you drew a line, and defended it; right or wrong.

The only ones of us whom can truely win this argument are the ones that learn from each point of view. The key is to use that to develope and learn how to change YOU, while still being true to who and what you are.

umm

May 19 2008, 4:32 pm

Love. If the informer had some in her heart, she would still be alive maybe. If the killers had love for others the informer would still be alive, and if the government had love for all of us, and gave us all the freedom to choose, the girl would still be alive.

Lack of love and intolerance for others brings out the worst in people.

When will people learn it isn't nice to not be nice.

Let Love, and Cannabis rule.

sittinginessex

May 19 2008, 4:06 pm

JIMBOB, I think you also have the wrong idea about my opinion in this matter. I am not CHEERING about this girls death,but I am not lossing any sleep over it either.

We will have to agree to disagree on this issue.

Mature Adult

May 19 2008, 4:03 pm

I'm with you Jimbob .
Snitches should be set up not knocked off . Self defense is the only acceptable reason for taking another life .

Jimbob

May 19 2008, 3:23 pm

I concede, your point about her not respecting her own life.

But I refuse to think it a good thing that she was MURDERED, not killed.

I refuse to gleefully cheer at her execution. I know plenty about the real world, and I also know that the ONLY way things EVER change is if YOU make them change. I will not sit by and go along with actions or ideals I feel are wrong. I know plenty of violence, too much for my age maybe.

Perhaps that is why I choose to respect life, no matter if others do the same. It is the only way I know how to convey how fucking serious I am about detesting murder, with out becoming a zelot.

As far as sticking to my opinions; How much is a person's word worth if it is easily, and unthoughtfully changed?
If you read my posts carefully, I never said any of you were wrong, and I never tried to convince any of you I am right. I stated my opinion, and asked questions. Just because I may think you are a tool, but that doesnt make your word any less valueable in civil discourse. That is what we are attempting to do here correct? Civil Discourse?

Slater

May 19 2008, 3:00 pm

Damn, you guys realy hold to your opinions.

sittinginessex

May 19 2008, 2:45 pm

JIMBOB, I think you missed my point. Your thoughts seem to be based upon the theory that the world is a fair and just place. You are wrong. Bad crap happens to people, innocent people, everyday. They get hit by cars, shot by a spouse, family member, friend, stranger, raped, kidnapped etc............ They did not ask for it, it just happened. This girl got in over her head and asked to be placed in a situation that could get her killed. When she was asked (told) she did not try to remedy the situation in any other way. She just ran off and snitched. She had the world at her feet and this is what she choose to do. She ruined her own life and that of her families, before she snitched. She was a drug dealer and got caught. That's enough to ruin a life, but she couldn't accept that so she decided to ruin someone elses life instead. I will not and do not feel sorry for this ratting bitch. How did she know if her actions were going to get someone else killed? The middleman perhaps. Should he die for her? Why? He was committing the same crime as the Rat, dealing drugs, and didn't want to do this bitches time for her or get himself killed because she ran her mouth.

BOTTOM LINE: THIS BITCH KNEW WHAT SHE WAS DOING WAS WRONG AND COULD GET HER KILLED, BUT SHE DID IT ANYWAY. WHERE WAS HER RESPECT FOR HER OWN LIFE?

Jimbob

May 19 2008, 1:11 pm

I think my point was missed.

WE ALL AGREE:
1)Snitches are shitty people.

2) The community punishment for it should be SEVERE.

3) Murder, true cold blooded murder, is commited by shitty people.

4) The punishment for murder should be SEVERE.

My statement is: The punishment for snitching does not equal the punishment for murder, or should it?

If it should, then which one of you sanctamonious, bloodthirsty, and deluded folks will volunteer to be Executioner?

I have no sympathy, empathy, or kind feelings for that girl. She was an adult, and made her bed. What I have a problem with is ghoulish cheerleaders shrieking:

She got what she deserved, snitches and ditches, and all the other bullshit you tell yourself to try and make it ok you are cheering and HAPPY about the destruction of another human being.

uncle stoney

May 19 2008, 12:37 pm

First of all I would like to send a big sorry for the family of the the girl. That was a messed up way for them to loose their kid.

But seriously, back to what really happned, She messed up. Plain and simple. 1. trying to nark people out, 2. going into a drug deal alone and a female, 3 for allowing the police to basically blackmail her ass into doing it.

It is really sad sorry, but when your dealing with the cops and drugs(not herb) your asking for trouble. Just another piece to the reasons why certain drugs should be legal. You want a war on drugs people, Legalize the fucking Plant. Have the DEA and local police go after the real drugs that get people killed like this girl. Best thing I could say to help stupid shit like this to stop is, Contact your senators and reps of your state. Enough is enough of stupid deaths.

I know I went a ways off the topic at the end, but come on. We all know that the only way we can make a difference is for all of us to work together.

big baby jesus

May 19 2008, 12:08 pm

jimbob: ah, my friend, any time someone goes to great lengths to ruin your life because they fucked up and would rather dump their garbage on your doorstep, there will be revenge. is it sad a pretty lil girl got killed? yeah, sorta. did she have it coming? no doubt. now i can see someone close to you was taken away from you and that still pains you, but dont let it color everything you see to the point it blinds you.

Jimbob

May 19 2008, 9:36 am

Only flaw I see in all the Snitches get Ditches logic is the key fundamental thing that makes me look at all the : "Pro Death to Snitches" is simply thins.

I keep seeong "Dont do the crime if you cant do the time."

I thought about that. It isnt " Dont do the crime if you think there aare snitches about, and your ass is gonna get caught." Why is that?

Because if YOU are being snitched on YOU are a criminal. If you are a criminal you are doing crime. Reguardless of snitches, you do crime, you do time. Snitches are a part of crime, they have been since crime existed.

So your idea to murder them all falls through, because they are ubiquitous, not just through cultures, but time as well.
But hey, you all know this right. Just like 2+2=9.

Oh well. I managed to stir the pot, but no good arguments fell out. I must say Im a bit let down that in 2 days time, no one could find a compelling way to convince me we should MURDER all snitches.

For the ones of you in the "Death To Snitches" camp, think about this: Would you like a murderer's hands all over your woman, you sister, your mother, your family. Some one who so rashly can snuff out life unthinkingly? Well, when you hug your mom on christmas, or your lil bro at the game, remeber you dirty fuck, those are a cold blooded killers paws, that are shakein hands with your loved ones.

Again, I dont condone snitching, or cold blooded killing, they are both VILE acts of WEAK minds. Just make sure you want that blood all over YOUR hands, when you tell some one "GOOD JOB!" for taking the life of an unarmed school girl you manly man you. Maybe you should build a bonfire, cook them and eat the evidence? Then you can find another catchy phrase like "snitches get ditches", but for canabalizing the murder victim, instead.

A few of you sound more like hardened cold blooded hopeless people who just want a little payback on any random person they can reach. I really do feel sorry for you.

wheels&pills

May 19 2008, 7:54 am

Damn 'cheese eater' shouldnt have ratted like a scared little bitch. If she would have minded her own business she could have been smokin a big fatty right now.

:o)

May 19 2008, 5:25 am

"with whatever five O planted on her " ...?
I don't see that info , where'd you get that from ?

Cpt Stoner

May 19 2008, 4:25 am

Sorry for the lose, but she made the choice and was busted with what ever Five O planted on her because she was a college woman with looks and money.

Legalize it !

This would not have happened if she just road it out...first time felony would be knocked down to a misdomeaner with probation and maybe a year in time.

Moral of the story.....

Snitches are found in ditches or make nice bitches.

highjack

May 19 2008, 12:53 am

Adam this is the translation of what I said earlier.

"Adam, what do you know you dick, faggot, son of a flea. I'm not an informer and I've been arrested and convicted many times and I never sing like a bird."

Is that enough for you you son of a bitch mother fucker.

danksnugs69

May 18 2008, 10:16 pm

Its sad, but its even sadder she was a dumb snitching cunt. Paybacks a bitch.

droey421

May 18 2008, 9:49 pm

that just shows u that police are fucked up and dont care!!! how are u gonna send a chic that got in trouble for bud 2 go buy 2 ounces of crack and 1,ooo xo's and a gun??? wat fuckin idiot in the police dept. thought it was a good idea? i know its the same guy that doesnt understand that most of the people that do smoke aren't the ones stealing cars and killing people. they dont realize that were the ones obeying tha law just so we dont get in trouble. so with that being said its not called being a snitch its called reality just like adam said all of fake ass wanna b would sing. fuck tha laws 421...............................

sittinginessex

May 18 2008, 9:36 pm

Hey Adam, what the hell did you say?

sittinginessex

May 18 2008, 9:33 pm

Hey, no one is trying to be gangsta. I am just telling the truth, telling my story. Also, I am a middle aged woman, not a 16 year old teenager thug wannabee. I learned my lessons in life the hard way and luckily I was never dumb enough to get myself killed or start snitching. Enough of this 'Oh that poor girl shit'. If she never offered herself up as an informant she would still be alive today. Maybe in jail, but at least alive. She thought she was too good to go to jail, hell she thought she was too good to go to court, which is what got her lured into snitching in the first place. The rules of the Game are the rules, and she felt she deserved better then me,you, and the average Joe. In the end, if you snitch, you or someone you love will get hurt. So don't do the crime if you cant do the time or you are too scared to pay the price.

Adam

May 18 2008, 8:38 pm

U bent een lafaard.

Adam

May 18 2008, 8:36 pm

Highjackoff, say it in English you bitch. Can you understand this? - GO FUCK YOURSELF!

highjack

May 18 2008, 8:14 pm

Adam, na cava o kila tu o iko boci, sona levu, luveni kutu. Au sega ni dau informer, kau sa vesu talega vakalevu ia au sega ni dau lagasere vaka na manumanu vuka.

highjack

May 18 2008, 8:08 pm

Na noqu loloma e lako vei rau na i tubutubu ni gone yalewa oqo. Ia meda raica sara vakabibi na tikina oqo eda qai raica kina ni na Maruwana e sega ni vu ni basu lawa ia e basulawa ena vuku ni maruwana na lawa. Raica na ka sa mai yaco.

Translation:

My sympathy towards the parents of this beautiful young girl. If we look into this matter on a deeper side we will see that the only criminal against Marijuana is the law itself. See what happened.

Adam

May 18 2008, 8:08 pm

Regardless of what most of you 16 year old wannabe internet gangsters have to say about "snitchin", the fact is that a young girl lost her life. Regardless of the fact that she was an informant this is still tragic. So why don't you guys stop pretending to be some tough thugs and realize that you are on Hightimes.com. It's the "Stop Snitchin" bullshit that plagues inner cities with crime and violence. That's not what being a peaceful pot smoker is about. Aren't we supposed to set an example and be compassionate toward other human beings. Murders aren't solved because of this "stop snitchin" bullshit that was created by some urban clothing store. I'm not saying I agree with what this girl was doing but I certainly don't think it is o.k. to say that she deserved to die. I don't normally post on these forums but some of the comments on here have me very angry. So go back to thinking you're such a gangster and ask yourself what you would do if you got caught. Everyone on here acts so hard but if they found themselves in her circumstance 90% of you faggots would sing like a bird.

highjack

May 18 2008, 7:51 pm

Do the crime do the time - pay the price or else die. Kua na informer, sa rauta mo mate vutulaki (Don't be an informer, no wonder you will die you wanker).

highjack

May 18 2008, 7:46 pm

Vinaka meda kuvu meda bula ca ga nida uculuka qai mate. Translation: Its better to smoke get high and live than be a snitch and die.

highjack

May 18 2008, 7:41 pm

To snitch or not to snitch? there is no question. Would you rather die or save your own ass. I preffer the latter. The choice is yours.

I feel sorry for her parents but anyway she is responsible for her ownself.

BigbudT

May 18 2008, 7:38 pm

Even though the government gets a lot of people fucked up and killed, they did nothing. Thats what happens when you snitch. God bless shorty's soul. STOP SNITCHIN'!

highjack

May 18 2008, 7:34 pm

Kakua tiko na informer, boci. Sa rauta mo mate. Translation:- Don't be a snitch, you dick. No wonder you got killed.

Slater

May 18 2008, 7:34 pm

Only an OZ or more is considered a phelony in Florida.
Ive gotten busted with with 35grams and got off with a warning. (But then again im middle aged and look like a decent citizen).
Haha, I cant beleive this whole thing has turned into a debate. There is one and only one fact here.
Snitches, get ditches. Its a code. I hope everyone learns to follow, dont bring others down because you were dumb enough to get caught.

JK

May 18 2008, 6:59 pm

I sure hope the cops are brighter than this, sending this dumb little girl out to get some street dealers. WHAT?? GO FIND THE BIG BOYS!!

Aevilgar

May 18 2008, 5:54 pm

Unless i'm mistaken, any type of possesion of marijuana is a felony in Florida, same as here in AZ. Whether it is a gram or an ounce or 150, you are gonna score a felony of varying size

sittinginessex

May 18 2008, 4:59 pm

This girl was not just a recreational smoker, she had felony charges pending against her that she was trying to snitch her way out of. She also must of been pretty dumb because she didn't even follow the protocol that she was given, if I was lower myself to snitching, I would at least have the common sense to do it right.

ArmySoldier666

May 18 2008, 4:52 pm

The government got this young girl killed. They outlawed a freedom everyone in the world should have and they created the dealers and make them scared to go to jail. I don't think killing a person is right but neither is snitching. Our government would legalize the we could have vendors with security that are indoors and open 24/7. They could get it cheaper and safer and the dealers are out of jobs. No more smugglers or traffickers. Who do you think are the biggest supporters of anti-drug laws. The greedy profiteers that are pirating the people of the world.

Aevilgar

May 18 2008, 4:44 pm

It isn't even about whether she is a snitch or not, but why would you send someone who is just a recreational smoker in to buy 1,500 tabs of X, 2 ounces of crack or coke, and a gun? Who buys "crack or coke", you go for one or the other. These cops were setting this one up to take the fall. I mean look at her, she looks like a frickin 12 year old. I'd card her before I let her hit my blunt, much less sold her X, crack, and weapons. Shes no gangster, she wouldn't have any reason to buy that shit.

usedbongs.com

May 18 2008, 4:42 pm

No one should snitch, no one should get murdered and cops should not put civilians in harms way.

sittinginessex

May 18 2008, 4:32 pm

Okay, that makes sense, we are all cops now.

krissy9135

May 18 2008, 4:31 pm

what the hell?

the bear

May 18 2008, 4:31 pm

i think you're all cops.

sittinginessex

May 18 2008, 4:24 pm

I would pull the trigger. If you don't understand that, then piss off. I value human life or I would have snitched. This thuggery crap and all that other stuff you are talking is a bunch of bullshit. Everyone knows the rules to the game before we start to play, and we know the consequences for ALL of our actions. If death is one of them and you are not willing to accept that, just as you are not willing to accept jail, then yeah, I would pull the trigger. I don't want to be the dumbass doing time for someone elses crime. Do you? Would you not fight for your freedom with everything you have? She screwed up, didn't want to pay for it with a little bit of time in jail, so she paid with her life. Her or her family would have been killed before it was all said and done anyway. That is just how the game is played now. We can long for the days of beatings and broken bones, but that won't bring them back. The streets stepped up the consequences, not me.

If you are not willing to do the time, don't do the crime. Why do you thing my first comment of Snitches get ditches caused so much fuss? Because of internet wussies like you who would probably not have the nerve to argue this point in public. I would.

sittinginessex

May 18 2008, 4:11 pm

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Jimbob

May 18 2008, 3:59 pm

I can see how respect and personal resposability are much more highly valued than life.

If it makes me a jackass to value life...well Im guilty.

BTW which one of you would pull the trigger on her? She deserves it right? BEcause which one of you is going to do the deed? Which one?

You wont answer honestly here I know. But Obviously at least some of ya are neardowell pastie faced interweb geeks.

From your points of view, why arent you out there blasting snitches insted of bantering with me? There's rats that need a killin. With the exception of a few folks here, sounds like we have a regular execution squad going on. Huego Chavez is looking fo good people I hear.

Bunch of hard dick killers in the room here? Via con Diablos interwussies.

sittinginessex

May 18 2008, 3:59 pm

JIMBOB, I have no idea what the hell your are talking about in your posting. Yes, I am a single mother, and yes, I lost everything, accept my pride. Why, because I accepted my consequences. I don't know what the whole 'parading around' part of your post meant, but there was no parading around going on. I got busted, plain and simple, and I did my time. What do you mean by not understanding how I can be a parent but condone the murder of a snitch? One thing has nothing to do with the other. I had a chance to snitch. In fact, the cops didn't really want me, they wanted the person above me, but I wasn't willing to risk the life of my children, my parents, my siblings, nieces and nephews, because I could not 'Man Up' to what I did. I got caught, the person above me didn't so what gives me the right to pass my crimes off on them? When you make a choice to snitch you are putting everyone you love in danger. So where was her respect for the lives of those around her? Your family is who they usually go after when you snitch. It is unusual that they actually got her.
But I will sit here and feel sorry for her because she was not willing to face her consequences. NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

sittinginessex

May 18 2008, 3:45 pm

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707stoner

May 18 2008, 3:35 pm

If you get busted from the police, you keep your mouth shut and accept the conseqences of your actions not push them onto to someone else by bein a scared lil punk ass snitch. So this girl had what was commin to her and jimbob you sound like a jackass takin bout what happened to value for life.. how about what happened to common respect and self responsibility

Jimbob

May 18 2008, 3:34 pm

Some funny shit. I dont condone snitching, and I dont condone murder.

So if you think snitches should die, do you condone murder?

What cant it be like it was when I was in a clandestine group? Snitches got beaten severly, but not killed.

Single mom eh? What happens to you when those same fuckin cops parade you past YOUR people, then 5 mins later start arresting them? How's your life as a single mom going to go then? And you didnt even do anything. So do you or dont you condone murder. Your vreation of some more lopsided progeny is irrelavant to me, you caught, you do your bit, you move on. But I dont see anything in there about taking some one's life.

THAT is what I was talking about. Not if snitches were good or bad. I think there is a conscensus that snithching is a shitty, and dangerous thing to do. If you do it you are in peril. But how the FUCK do you justify thinking its good that girl is dead, and be a parent at the same time blows my mind.

sittinginessex

May 18 2008, 3:33 pm

Why do you feel the need to call me ignorant names? Twat? I haven't been called that in a long time. Are you running out of vocabulary? Why am I a Twat? Because I don't agree with you? Well that very self-serving. Do you kiss your mother with that mouth? Obviously, she did not do a very good job of teaching you to accept the reprocussions for your actions either.

sittinginessex

May 18 2008, 3:27 pm

Oh yeah, JIMBOB, I do think for myself, as you can clearly tell by my posting. The only person who can truly judge me is GOD, and I don't think you are HIM. Unless you are a snitch or have done time because you refused to snitch you really don't know a damn thing about this. It is all theoretical to you. Go to Maryland Dept of Corrections and do 3 1/2 years and then tell me what you think. Until then your opinion means nothing.

Jimbob

May 18 2008, 3:22 pm

Is that the answer bro? "You think differently than I do so you are a cop."

Thats almost as weak as your internet thuggery. Im a head, I just respect life as a gift, and I think very deeply before I end a life's existance. If that makes me a cop, then I guess the definition's changed.

Maybe, you little twat, I have seen ENOUGH God Damned bloodshed in my life, and I like to express MY opinion about it. I honestly dont care how YOU specificlly lead, or end your life. I do think that trying to spread fear and agitation with catchy little phrases, like you do so well, is the benchmark of an ignorant mind, or a fearful child.

Maybe you were a snitch some time in your life, now you rally so hard against them so none of us will smell the stench of your hipocracy. Unfortunately, your behaviour wafts the odure of your stinky secret.

Intolerance is what keeps Ganja illegal. Intolerance is what puts people in their graves early, and intolerance is just as much an enemy to our cause as the DEA itself.

sittinginessex

May 18 2008, 3:19 pm

Furthermore, I am a female and still did not go running around crying because I committed a crap load of crimes. I lost everything, including my children, but I did not snitch. I feel for her parents also, but apparently they did not do a very good job of teaching her how to face consequences for her actions. So instead of calling us a bunch of morons and other lovely things, stop to think about that. Some of us have done time for our crime because we aren't snitches. Everyone involved in drugs in any way, shape or form, knows that SNITCHES GET DITCHES!!!!!!!!!

sittinginessex

May 18 2008, 3:13 pm

Since when are we supposed to feel sorry for informants and snitches. I got busted and did my time instead of running around telling on everyone. If she wasn't ready or willing to do the time, she should not have committed the crime.......Harsh but true

Hey dumbshit

May 18 2008, 2:56 pm

No one on here snitches, so we dont have to worry, you fucking idiot. Its people like you who get fucked up walking in the streets for talking shit.
People on here are just voicing their opinions and your trying to be a douchebag telling us that we're wrong and that we're going to die. You sound just like a fucking cop.
Go fuck yourself.

Joe

May 18 2008, 2:51 pm

I agree with jimbob snitches are scum but nobody deserves to get murdered. I do feel for the parents.

Jimbob

May 18 2008, 2:32 pm

Snitches get ditches? Do you ever listen to yourself? You going to put a bullet in your mother or father, sister, or brother?
You fucking morons are parrots for people who want you to NOT think for yourself. Its no better than the government. Here I was thinking some of us might actually VALUE life.

Oh well, you'll meet your own end soon enough I guess. Let me know how it feels when the blade slides deep, or when the bullets shatter your bones. Maybe you'll be lucky and get garotted, or burned to death.

Hey, but when you smell your own burning flesh and know no one will bring justice for the taking of your life, you will have fulfillment of knowing: You arent a snitch.

I dont have any love for snitches, but I certinly have NO room for morons who cant even value the fienite existance in which we do get to partake.

Slater

May 18 2008, 2:26 pm

She got what she deserved.
Let that be a lesson to anyone who's even thinking about snitching.

420

May 18 2008, 2:14 pm

I just cannot feel sorry for a snitch. I feel for her parents but if you fuck with people they will fuck you back.

miggavelly

May 18 2008, 1:31 pm

that's what she gets for rattin.

shellinessex

May 18 2008, 1:19 pm

snitches get ditches

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