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Canada: Smell of Weed No Longer Grounds for Arrest, Search

Tue, Feb 12, 2008 3:49 pm


The Saskatchewan Court of Appeal has upheld a decision stating the smell of burnt marijuana isn't enough evidence to arrest someone for possession of the drug and then search their vehicle without a warrant.

The ruling in centered around the case of Archibald Janvier. He was driving in La Loche four years ago when he was pulled over by an RCMP officer because his truck had a broken headlight. The officer approached the vehicle and smelt burnt marijuana. Janvier was arrested for possession of marijuana based on the smell emitting from his truck. The officer then searched the vehicle and found eight grams of marijuana and what was thought to be a list of contacts, which resulted in the charge of possession for the purpose of trafficking.

The case went to trial and the judge found a violation of Janvier's charter right to be free from unreasonable search and seizure. The judge excluded the evidence and Janvier was declared not guilty.

"The smell alone can't constitute the grounds because the smell of burnt marijuana - as opposed to raw marijuana - gives an inference that the material is gone, it's dissipated into the atmosphere. So how can you say you're in possession of something that doesn't exist?" said Ronald Piche, Janvier's lawyer.

"There may be suspicion that the person is in possession of marijuana but that's not enough to base an arrest."

The Crown appealed the decision and the trial judge's decision was upheld.

"Until now police have used smell of marijuana as reasonable grounds to arrest someone for possession of marijuana," Piche said. "It always struck me as a little thin, frankly. It's frankly a lazy officer's way of giving out a warrant and getting to check a vehicle out and often times finding some evidence."

Piche said the decision is encouraging because the province's highest court has taken a liberal interpretation of this law.


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in that case

Mar 6 2008, 10:28 am

better Triple bag that kindbud, or double triple bag it, thats six bags, because the other day i could smell double bagged kindbud in my friends "center console" in his car, but this was really good bud, but still, i guess the safe thing to do is to at least tightly triple bag it, for safety.

John Doe

Mar 6 2008, 7:02 am

TO ct420
Actually , denying permission for a search is NOT grounds for probable cause according to the Supreme Court . The "I smell marijuana " ploy is though .
If they really smell weed , they won't need your permission . This varies from state to state but not by much .

ct420

Mar 6 2008, 1:08 am

i got pulled over one time because my brake lights werent working. The cops told me they smelled pot in the car, which is impossible because first we honestly did not smoke in the car that day, and we had two ciggarettes lit!! Maybe he thought the ciggarette smoke smelled a little like it. But he searched my car a found nothing, just a huge waste of time!!! so good, you shouldnt be able to make a search based on smell alone. Because if you deny it, then that gives them reasonable cause to search anyway!!

Re: the headline

Feb 29 2008, 5:38 am

is false . Its the exact opposite . Read the story ....

Re: the headline...

Feb 29 2008, 4:16 am

Good, because I love the smell of weed!

okla420

Feb 19 2008, 12:04 am

was reading the bottom of this post a second ago..jackythenose was bitching about not being let into Canada because of a DUI....well don't get a fuckin DUI in the first place! just call a friend or stay the night

okla420

Feb 18 2008, 11:56 pm

if you don't vote or take part in some form of activism, weather for right, left or independent, then you don't have any right to complain.

Excuse me folks

Feb 17 2008, 9:00 pm

But you do realize all the cops have to say now is " raw Marijuana" and all is as it was to begin with .....right ?
Nothing really changed ....don't give this any more merit than what it is . Symbolic crumbs that will only help that one guy .
Hooray for Canada ? Not even . Maybe Hooray for the guy that won his case ... just a crumb to the defendant and a wink to the law dogs "word your arrest correctly , we had to let this one slide " .

(Note: the last sentence was not really a quote ..it is meant to be MY personal opinion and is not meant to be copied , folded , spindled or mutilated . These are not the view shared by H/T and no inclusion is implied . )

dodo burner

Feb 16 2008, 7:52 pm

i have to say first off that canada has got some good bud law but it's too cold...

secondly - all you people that vote are goddamn morons. the only thing that these candidates talk about is how this and that are not working so we need "change" and we need "change" but they never have any suggestion on what to change it to.

i hate politics, especially american - the only thing that matters is fuckin money and whos got it. i'm fuckin broke so i cant change the world

truehate

Feb 15 2008, 6:58 pm

Hooray for Canada.

At least our government has it's head on straight! (at least for the most part)

I mean, we don't send teenagers to jail for having a gram on them, I like how our government gives people chances to make up for their mistakes. The United States, well, theyll just destroy your life because they consider pot to be as bad as heroin. What a joke.

Heil Canada!

Go to the grow section @

Feb 14 2008, 6:50 am

Or cannabis culture fourms.
For soil questions

slightly off topic

Feb 13 2008, 9:25 pm

What is the best make up of soil,fertilizer,etc. for growing indoor Marijuana?

MassHaze

Feb 13 2008, 5:38 pm

I am wondering if it is worth replying to you anymore, considering you only 1/4 think through everything you hear and say. Well, I'd be surprised at 25% at this point...

MassHaze

Feb 13 2008, 5:36 pm

So we got the Ron Paul spammers turned into wanna-be wisemen who just ASSUME things happen because they think so. Interesting. "I like the way it sounds and there is just barely some evidence, IT MUST BE TRUE!!!" Im not even the one saying you have no credibility anymore. You have effectively convinced EVERYONE you are an idiot except for yourself. Good job.

Stop calling me miss haze, it makes you sound stupid. All it does is let me know which one of you stupid fucks I am talking to.

Vermont wanting to impeach somebody doesnt make the war illegal. Vermont thinking it is the king of the planet does not make them that. Extremist liberals, thank god, arent correct simply because they cry louder. Shame they dont seem to be able to read, either...

How in the hell am I any more misinformed than you? What, because Bush hasnt been your favorite compromiser as a President? He didnt break any laws, no matter how many you make up in your wanna-be-right stupid fuck brain.

Fact is a fact because it is FACT, not because you "agree" with it you fucking moron. There are no "eye witness accounts" of bombs being placed, only eye-witness accounts of people working on the building before 9/11. Just keep it coming, unless you think everyone in the WTC was a bomb expert and knew what they were watching....

I was for Ron Paul until I actually started thinking clearly about the WHOLE matter and not just how much he is a badass for marijuana laws. He is not a full-fledged good candidate and he has no chances. Live with it.

You never proved anything AT ALL about the North American Union. Like I said, SUPPORT YOUR SHIT YOU FUCKING MORONS!!! HEARSAY AND CONSPIRACY IS NOT FACT! CONSPIRACY THEORISTS HAVE THE SAME PROPAGANDA TOOLS AS YOUR ENEMIES.

? to badcheck 1212

Feb 13 2008, 5:14 pm

"would you all shut the fuck up ? "

No .

miccheck1212

Feb 13 2008, 5:00 pm

would you all shut the fuck up.nobody gives a shit about zeitgeist or any of that shit...this article is about weed. so fuck bush, fuck zeitgeist, and fuck everyone whos actually fighting over it...you are all pathetic

to dutchman

Feb 13 2008, 4:08 pm

KEEP UP OR MOVE ON .

theflyingdutchman

Feb 13 2008, 3:57 pm

Regarding the last dozen or so posts on this thread:

What the **** have you been smoking, people?!?

to okay

Feb 13 2008, 3:00 pm

This Vermont wants to bring impeachment charges thing is symbolic as hell . Do you honestly think if it was possible to impeach Bush he'd still be around ? Sounds like You MUST be from Vermont . I'll call and tell'em one got away .

who's retarded

Feb 13 2008, 10:25 am

you were proven wrong on everything you said so far, and your callin us retarded lol You think our goverment isn't currupted! and your calling us retarded. wow. im amazed you have the audacity to call us retarded after you were wrong on everything you said.

losers

Feb 13 2008, 10:05 am

If you guys are going to start your own thread do it some where else!! you guys are a whole bunch of retards

Okay

Feb 13 2008, 9:37 am

miss haze you are the stupidest most uninformed retard i've never met, congradulations lol

If you don't think Vermont wants to bring him on impeachment charges for going to war without a declaration of war, and him signing the north american union without approval from congress, then you have truelly stumped lol.

To the people that arn't retarded, if you don't want Canida, America, and Mexico educate your fellow man, and get Ron Paul elected he's the only candidate left that is against the north american union, patriot act, enslavement of people with oil, he's against carbon tax (global warming Tax remember global warming is not real but a scare tactic to tax the people on carbon) hes against the unconstitutional illegal income tax. and hes for legalizing the constitution.

or

Feb 13 2008, 7:21 am

they just didn't understand what was laid out in front of 'em .

Lol

Feb 13 2008, 7:17 am

The North American union will never hapen in my opinion.... Some of you take what you see on tv to seriously(Zeitgeist)

John Doe

Feb 13 2008, 6:00 am

"impeachment charges " ?

Thats just an accusation .
If there were grounds for impeachment he'd be gone by now .

Quite a few Presidents have had impeachment accusations made against them . Its a political ploy . Bottom line is , impeachment requires more than wishful thinking .

Re: have to be retarded

Feb 13 2008, 5:38 am

"if you think Iraq wasn't illegal, then there wouldn't be impeachment charges on him "

What "impeachment charges" are you referring to ? I don't think you understand the process .

cool

Feb 13 2008, 1:03 am

iam glad he got off....look at prisonplante.com or infowars ,also beware of the rdf chip they want to plant in everyone.

smokin j

Feb 13 2008, 12:18 am

looks good on those fucking pigs pot should be legalized and personally im glad the dude got off rock on man keep it burning

america

Feb 12 2008, 11:01 pm

yo Canada, you will be enslaved too. just wait till 2020 thats when the real fun starts happening. Get ready for hell people.

Canadian

Feb 12 2008, 10:11 pm

I Love It....

big baby jesus

Feb 12 2008, 9:32 pm

masshaze: bush cant just "go around" what ever he wants? you mean like habeas corpus? get fuckin real. the neo cons believe the president can do whatever the fuck he wants, and he HAS. name one thing the pricks compromised on?

kinder

Feb 12 2008, 9:06 pm

O'CANADA..............

so miss haze

Feb 12 2008, 8:00 pm

now that you were wrong on the North American Union, and Bush going to war with-out the declaration of war to protect our constitution UNDER U.N. Resolution (lol)I think we can both agree that the New World Order is not a conspiracy but a FACT. We have documents of things like population control, almost 100 eye witneses of bombs planted in 9/11 (ignored by media), and all our candidates running for president are CFR, execpt Dr. Ron Paul. And remember you were agianst that.

Green Hit

Feb 12 2008, 7:32 pm

Maybe they'll start claiming to smell raw, burnt MJ.

you have to be retarded

Feb 12 2008, 7:19 pm

If you think the Iraq wasn't illegal, then there wouldn't be impeachment charges on him. And if you don't think building pipelines through Afganistan wasn't illegal then i going to go jack you car b/c thats legal to you.

you have to be retarded

Feb 12 2008, 7:18 pm

If you think the Iraq wasn't illegal, then there wouldn't be impeachment charges on him. And if you don't think building pipelines through Afganistan wasn't illegal then i going to go jack you car b/c thats legal to you.

Re: to below

Feb 12 2008, 7:06 pm

Thats a matter of opinion and not a fact .

to mass haze

Feb 12 2008, 6:57 pm

legally bush couldn't go into iraq.

MassHaze

Feb 12 2008, 6:23 pm

Legally Bush wouldnt have been able to just make us all into one country. What is the country called, anyways? Let me guess, the currency will be the "amero". Stop watching Zeitgiest, the majority of its sources are conspiracy theories and not legitimate citation.

If it isn't Zeitgeist where you got it, well then... dont believe it anyways. Everyone seems to think Bush can just "go around" every process known to American systems.

why

Feb 12 2008, 6:21 pm

why are stores in new york starting to accept the Euro, lol are you trying to hide something miss haze?

to poster below

Feb 12 2008, 6:18 pm

go look it up, and watch the youtube speech of george bush saying he signed it, and found out what lou dobbs, and cnn have to say about it. conspiracy?

MassHaze

Feb 12 2008, 6:18 pm

hey look a zeitgeist dude a couple posts down.... how about that.

Conspiracy theory = worthless, but interesting popcorn conversation

the post below is

Feb 12 2008, 6:00 pm

not true. the so called american union is a conspiracy theory.

Stop presenting your paranoid delusions as fact. If you're worried about this happening some day, state that it is a possibility but don't go around stating such things have happened. They have not.

yo jacky

Feb 12 2008, 5:56 pm

goerge bush signed a union, that makes canada, US and mexico one country. Kind of like the African Union, the European Union and soon to be Asain Union.

lets go NwO vote Obama, Vote Hillary Vote MCCAIN!!

jackytheNose

Feb 12 2008, 5:39 pm

wish canada would let us in the country,If you had a dui you cant even enter canada,what up with that!

Legalize Now

Feb 12 2008, 4:21 pm

Glad I am in Canada, would hate to be in the USA where smell can get you searched.

Go Canada, lots of progress in the last couple months considering we have a conservative gov't.

so...

Feb 12 2008, 4:07 pm

can't they just say they smelled "raw marijuana" instead of "burnt marijuana" and then execute the search?

MassHaze

Feb 12 2008, 4:04 pm

Good thing, too. The smell = prob-cause idea is VERY thin. They dont even need proof, as you cant prove there was a smell at the time of the incident. Its a sneaky way to get around warrants and nab potheads.

Way to go Canada.

John Doe

Feb 12 2008, 3:55 pm

oops .. I guess I'm impressed .

John Doe

Feb 12 2008, 3:52 pm

Lets see if the prosecution appeals it . Then I'd be impressed .

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