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Is Salvia the Next Marijuana?

Tue, Mar 11, 2008 2:31 pm


TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (AP) — On Web sites touting the mind-blowing powers of Salvia divinorum, come-ons to buy the hallucinogenic herb are accompanied by warnings: "Time is running out!" and "stock up while you still can."

That's because salvia is being targeted by lawmakers concerned that the inexpensive and easy-to-obtain plant could become the next marijuana. Eight states have already placed restrictions on salvia, and 16 others, including Florida, are considering a ban or have previously.

"As soon as we make one drug illegal, kids start looking around for other drugs they can buy legally. This is just the next one," said Florida state Rep. Mary Brandenburg, who has introduced a bill to make possession of salvia a felony punishable by up to five years in prison.

Some say legislators are overreacting to a minor problem, but no one disputes that the plant impairs judgment and the ability to drive.

Native to Mexico and still grown there, Salvia divinorum is generally smoked but can also be chewed or made into a tea and drunk.

Called nicknames like Sally-D, Magic Mint and Diviner's Sage, salvia is a hallucinogen that gives users an out-of-body sense of traveling through time and space or merging with inanimate objects. Unlike hallucinogens like LSD or PCP, however, salvia's effects last for a shorter time, generally up to an hour.

It is not the same as the ornamental garden plant known as Salvia.

No known deaths have been attributed to salvia's use, but it was listed as a factor in one Delaware teen's suicide two years ago.

"Parents, I would say, are pretty clueless," said Jonathan Appel, an assistant professor of psychology and criminal justice at Tiffin University in Ohio who has studied the emergence of the substance. "It's much more powerful than marijuana."

Salvia's short-lasting effects and fact that it is currently legal may make it seem more appealing to teens, lawmakers say. In the Delaware suicide, the boy's mother told reporters that salvia made his mood darker but he justified its use by citing its legality. According to reports, the autopsy found no traces of the drug in his system, but the medical examiner listed it as a contributing cause.

Mike Strain, Louisiana's Agriculture and Forestry Commissioner and former legislator, helped his state in 2005 become the first to make salvia illegal, along with a number of other plants. He said the response has been largely positive.

"I got some hostile e-mails from people who sold these products," Strain said. "You don't make everybody happy when you outlaw drugs. You save one child and it's worth it."

An ounce of salvia leaves sells for around $30 on the Internet. A liquid extract from the plant, salvinorin A, is also sold in various strengths labeled "5x" through "60x." A gram of the 5x strength, about the weight of a plastic pen cap, is about $12 while 60x strength is around $65. And in some cases the extract comes in flavors including apple, strawberry and spearmint.

Web sites such as Salviadragon.com tout the product with images like a waterfall and rainbow and include testimonials like "It might sound far fetched, but I experience immortality."

Among those who believe the commotion over the drug is overblown is Rick Doblin of the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies, a nonprofit group that does research on psychedelic drugs and whose goal is to develop psychedelics and marijuana into prescription medication.

"I think the move to criminalize is a misguided response to a very minimal problem," Doblin said.

Doblin said salvia isn't "a party drug," "tastes terrible" and is "not going to be extremely popular." He disputes the fact teens are its main users and says older users are more likely.

"It's a minor drug in the world of psychedelics," he said.

Moreover, it's hard to say how widespread the use of salvia is. National and state surveys on drug use don't include salvia, and because it is legal in most states, law enforcement officials don't compile statistics, either.

San Diego State University last year surveyed more than 1,500 students and found that 4 percent of participants reported using salvia in the past year.

Brandenburg's bill would make salvia and its extract controlled substances in the same class as marijuana and LSD.

Florida state Sen. Evelyn Lynn, whose committee planned to study the Salvia bill Tuesday, said the drug should be criminalized.

"I'd rather be at the front edge of preventing the dangers of the drug than waiting until we are the 40th or more," she said.


» add a comment

mikeeinstein

May 9 2009, 3:31 pm

it is not fair to blame the problems of the world on lazy potheads or to call people names when you disagree for that matter.

kyrell said nothing to indicate that he believes the world owes him anything.

it is a uniquely republican attitude to suggest that someone should leave this country if they are not satisfied with the way things are and dare to exercise their right to speak their opinions. it is also an anti american attitude which is a big part of the reason more republicans are run out of office with each election.

salvia and pot in themselves pose no risk to anyone except possibly the user. there is no reason for them to be illegal in a free country. if republicans practiced what they preach, they would agree, but they are far more interested in making sure nobody is having any fun. we would be better off without them. certainly more free.

big guy

Apr 5 2009, 12:16 am

this is what is wrong with the world today, there are people like this kyrell kosanke and others that are just plain old pot heads, these type of individuals have their heads so far up their rectum. They feel the whole world owes them. Here is a solution, lets just put them all in a hippy commune let them smoke their brains to death, they are nothing but a burden to those of us who support their lazy ass ways with our tax dollars, they are the type of people sucking the total life out of the world today, instead of solving problems their solution is to get high and complain, if you dont like it get the hell out of this country, dont become our problem

kyrell kosanke

Mar 25 2009, 4:43 pm

Yeah this is definitely just another move in their plan to control all people and all things. They are outlawing anything that can open us up to truth, because they know that truth will set us free.

Marijuana definitely still is the sacred herb and is one of the best to find truth, besides hallucinogens, and it should be legal. The people who are controlling and manipulating us are just taking more steps in it.

Well FUCK THAT.

I know my rights and everyone elses

we have every right to use WHATEVER substance we choose

especially when they are natural.

This systems fucked up, but is going down

I have faith
keep the faith
and fight for what you believe in

peace

anonymous

Mar 9 2009, 1:00 pm

I would go to my congressman who the fuck ever, and gladly trade for the legalality of salvia for weed.
salvia is NOT fun your first trip. i baught a 10x vile for 25 bucks and shared it with about 15 friends, you dont need a 40x or 50x your first time thats a good 70-90 bucks. go pick yourself up an oz. All it takes is one full bowl all to yourself, hold your hit for about 20 seconds and your trippin before half that hits out. every single one of those friends simply said,i just wanted reality to come back, or what happend wtf just happend.

my trip was sitting on a bench staring down the strings of a guitar like guitar hero vision. uncontroably laughing and unable to talk, i forced my mind to jump off the bench and crawl away. from there i got up and ran to my car. i litterally left my high on the bench call me what you want.... but i will never smoke salvia again. somebody said it lasts 50 mins or so? no its 5-15 max

i will add..
YOU CANNOT DRIVE WHEN UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF SALVIA,i know not your first trip and probably not till youve smoked it 100 times

IT DOES IMPAIR YOUR JUDGEMENT. it makes you retarded it takes your judgement abilitys AWAY


LEGALIZE WEED
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK SALVIA!

Raskonikov

Jan 21 2009, 10:34 pm

Yes it is. They made Cannabis illegal, and then they gonna make Salvia the same. (they already started)
-I never tryed Salvia but probebly will in the future.
-I herd theres an other world on the other side.
- Why cant we see whats on the other side? We should have the right. no?
-Its clear that it (the trip) doesnt last long, so theres no worries about driving on the influence or any other danger.
-They still havnt found anything wrong with weed that is alarming.

So whats the big deal?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?1

mikeeinstein

Jan 11 2009, 5:25 pm

it is frightening to see our government getting hysterical over another harmless plant.

i am tired of having my right to catch a buzz infringed because teenagers might use it. teenagers are going to get drunk and high regardless of the law so this only turns otherwise law abiding adults into criminals.

it is time for the government to stop worrying about protecting us from ourselves, they have their hands full with other things.

by the way, i am an army soldier stationed in new york. neither the army nor new york regulate this plant. yet.

pot head

Jan 4 2009, 1:14 am

first we need to stop bitching next we need to kill all the lawyers and judges then kill the mass media that slanders the truth and spines lies trying to get a righteous false true to the morons that believe them and then we need to grow a large amount of weed finally we smoke

Kyle

Oct 28 2008, 5:15 pm

"We are in the last stages of becoming a communist country. The government already listens in to our phone calls. We really don't have the freedom of speech anymore. They have taken religion out of everything. The sentence in god we trust is being removed from money. They tax the shit out of us, let the oil tycoons charge whatever the hell they want, and change the laws in there favor. Sure sounds like communism to me. So of course they are going to take away anything that will allow us to cope with what this country is doing to it's people. For the people by the people, yeah right they should go ahead and remove that to."
That is because you don't know anything about communism. Communism, before degenerating into a totalitarian dictatorship is decent. We are heading straight for dictatorship, no communism, but maybe a form of socialism where everything is nationalized. Also, we don't tax even 39%, that's very very low taxes(see Denmark, and its 60+% taxes). I hate that Americans don't even understand the good points(though, more taxes may be good considering the rate of the debt climb)of living here, they just rant and whine like a bling person firing a machine gun; sometimes they hit a target, sometimes they miss completely. There was both in the above quoted paragraph.
I urge you all to vote for a third party, rather then one of the two that have controlled and fucked us over, over and over again.

Buy Salvia

Oct 19 2008, 6:21 pm

Stop trying to ban plants, it is not like marijuana, lsd or anything. Try and ban alcohol if you want to try and save the children. Let adults Buy Salvia if that is what they want to do and have these parents actually take control of their teens and stop blaming plants for their problems. Make your own decision http://www.thebestsalvia.com

cbisqiut

Sep 13 2008, 12:05 pm

People its time to wake up and realize what is going on in the US. We are slowly falling into a direction, we as americans will not tolerate. If you want to be controlled move to China ya MOFOES. Im sick of it, and a lot of other folks are sick of it. It is time for the revolution, so be ready, shit will hit the fan soon. I seen it all in my salvia trip HA HA HA

NICK

Aug 6 2008, 10:38 pm

JUST DONT SEE WHY ITS ILLEGAL TO HAVE POSSESION OF IT WHEN ITS JUST A NATURAL HERB LIKE TABACCO.THE ONLY DIFFERANCE IS CHEMICALS ARE ADDED TO IT? {SO WHY IS IT LEGAL?} NOW LIKE THE PLANT THATS USED TO MAKE COCAINE AND OTHER DRUGS THAT I THINK IT SHOULD STAY ILLEGAL.JUST FOR THE FACT THAT IT HAS TO BE PROSESSED BEFORE IT BECOMES A DRUG.WEED U JUST SMOKE IT PERIOD.

annonymous

Aug 5 2008, 8:49 pm

We are in the last stages of becoming a communist country. The government already listens in to our phone calls. We really don't have the freedom of speech anymore. They have taken religion out of everything. The sentence in god we trust is being removed from money. They tax the shit out of us, let the oil tycoons charge whatever the hell they want, and change the laws in there favor. Sure sounds like communism to me. So of course they are going to take away anything that will allow us to cope with what this country is doing to it's people. For the people by the people, yeah right they should go ahead and remove that to.

jon789

Jul 17 2008, 3:20 am

salvia is not a drug its a plant in fact cmr410 had a few valid points he forgot to add it was used for insense also. that is what it is sold for people abuse it but once again their choice hallucinate for 5 minutes so they can brag to there friends but videos on youtube of themselves showing how oh so cool they are, but their parents are stupid for not paying attention to their kids thats why peoples kids are fucked up not salvia parenting thats why.

cmr410

Jul 17 2008, 3:14 am

salvia for the record sucks unless u do a hgih muber extract like 80 x even for first time because either the people lie bout it or get no effects. its total bull crap i did 40 and felt nothing and i weigh 99 pounds which would intesify things having lower weight. see salvia is not a party drug never will be tastes nasty and for some gives them stomach ache and minor headache but its rediculous to call a plant a drug and make it illegal cause some kid decided to commit suicide. its just like the gateway myth its been proven a myth. peoples personal choice to do what they do a drug or plant doesnt control minds people have there own willpower no matter what state of mind or circumstance your in. its instinct its fact and if you believe different then your dumb. salvia should not be classified as a schedule a drug and not even next to cannibus they have no properties alike and salvia is a ritualistic plant. it was used by indians shamans and medicine men the lawmakers its just another story for them to bitch about. no matter how many angry parent groups they form and more government money we waste parents will always be naive and we will always follow the same stupid tradition fighting this fictitious drug war.

shaman

May 21 2008, 7:29 pm

One more thing, children and teenagers alike are getting hurt because of their decisions as well as their parents lack of attention to educating them. Stop letting these fear mongers control our lives and mold us into their perfect or should I say imperfect little minions! Don't get me wrong, I have kids and would want nothing bad to happen to them but what about the supposed criminals, just throw them away in the Pen and let them rot?! FUCK THAT!!! If they are just smoking some plant, what the fuck is the problem? Are they rapists?! Did the kill anyone?! Try not pushing your morals onto others, live and let live! FUCK!!!

shaman

May 21 2008, 7:21 pm

I am deeply disturbed by the fact that any plants, toxic or not are illegal! Placing MJ and Salvia in the same "box" is a horrible thing to do! For one, MJ lasts much longer, for two the high from Salvia is an acquired taste, one of which I like but thats beside the point. I hope for everyone's sake that someday all govt officials and voters realize that a person's right to practice cognitive liberty should never be imposed upon. Don't get me wrong, if someone was smoking meth or anything similar near my home, family or close friends, it would put me in a rage but plants... are a different story all together! Culture aside, our freedom to explore the mysteries of the mind in every possible way are being trampled upon! STAND UP AND FIGHT!!! USE YOUR BRAIN POWER, YOUR KNOWLEDGE, YOUR COMMON SENSE, YOUR HEART, AND YOUR SUPPOSED LEGAL RIGHT TO SPEAK!!! We are all the lock and the key! Stop being sheep!!!

PEACE - By the way, I don't mean goodbye, I mean PEACE. This is something we all need to start being a part of starting with ourselves, than our local community than our nation and then the rest of the world but don't get me wrong everyone needs it and if you feel like waging peace in some other country first go right ahead. It's better than nothing.

james

May 10 2008, 10:40 pm

man i smoked slavia and that shit was fucked up i thought everyone was fake and i was the only real person i thought everyone was an alien
you cant compare salvia to weed its much more intense

pot&rock&roll

May 10 2008, 10:38 am

I have tried salvia several times, and I must say the trip is not for everyone. It is certainly not a high, it's a trip, but the effects, except for a feeling of "off-ness" do not last longer than about 10-20 minutes. It is definitely worth a try, and most stoners I know have tried it, but every single one of them was safe about it. There is no possible way someone could physically drive while tripping, you can't even keep a grasp on reality, mush less move. The feelings are no where near marijuana because it is not a downer, it is a hallucinogen, but once again the debate comes down to people being too scared for their own good by propaganda-enforcing politicians and police.

"Those willing to give-up freedom for security deserve neither."
Benjamin Franklin

Sean

Apr 25 2008, 8:02 pm

It's stupid that they're making it illegal... I've done it like 4 or 5 times and i never want to touch it again. it's way too intense and scary for me lol

Bigdaddyphatsacks

Apr 18 2008, 9:26 pm

Thats some bull man... if someone wanted they could get high off morning glory seeds too, are those gonna be banned next?

Sad4society

Apr 4 2008, 1:24 am

My my, It is sad to see that as soon as one mind expanding freedom becomes close to popular, dumb ass 40 somethings that don't know two shits about anything get involved and try to wiegh down on a minority group. The drug culture should realy stand up against shit like this. It's simple, this kind of policy is basically political suppression. Our ideas, our culture, our beliefs are supressed by law and made illegal. What the fuck is this shit? I'm fucking tired of this bull shit society preceiving drugs are bad, drugs as immoral. Damn I am most likely just ranting but seriously this is fucked up and no one seems to care. Im sorry, if salvia goes illegal i just might have to start a terrorist organization.

ArmySoldier666

Apr 2 2008, 12:59 pm

The army is against any illegal drug use. drug abuse is wrong in the eyes of our government but like the military says, "Dont ask, Dont tell." which means they wont ask me and i dont need to tell them.

here

Mar 29 2008, 8:15 pm

Threshold effects for salvian a are achieved at the very least, 200 micrograms while threshold effects for LSD can be observed at less then 50 micrograms.

The potentcy of a drug is defined by the ammount of a substance used to achieve a therapeutic effect.

okla420

Mar 29 2008, 5:11 pm

meant to add this to my post but anyhow there is no real scientific data to say that either one is stronger then the other.. it's all opinion.

Now I have read that Salvia is the strongest naturaly occuring hallucinagin but even that is relative...psilocybin mushrooms, mescaline cacti and yopo snuff are all quite powerful as well.

okla420

Mar 29 2008, 5:09 pm

Your right it isn't up to debate. Salvia doens't even compare to even a mild acid trip.

wtf

Mar 28 2008, 11:15 am

is this a joke

Bear

Mar 25 2008, 8:05 pm

"You save one child and it's worth it."

You save one child and you send the other four to jail. I've had my fare share of the criminal justice system and all i have to say is "Sorry for smoking pot. NOT."

Concerned Citizen

Mar 25 2008, 5:41 pm

Re: Okla420

Salvia is indeed stronger than any other hallucinogen. Salvinorin A is the strongest hallucinogen in the world. That's not up for debate. They're very different. It's not like a 5-minute acid trip, it is like a 5-minute salvia trip.

Crib.....MassHaze

Mar 16 2008, 1:18 am

I agree completely. I will certainly be looking at that particular page on erowid. What I meant to say was, the governments research is becoming more and more outrageous. For example, if I wanted I could probably find that kool-aid has some harmful qualities, much like alcohol. They are becoming desperate and are going to the far ends of their research to bad mouth cannabis use. Science is certainly backing "our" side of the argument, but the government is still keeping 80 percent of the public in the dark.

82 percent of the population believes marijuana use to be stupid. Of that same population 74 percent believes that, the drug war has and is a failure. That doesn't make sense. How they are doing this, I'm exactly sure, but they are winning to a certain degree. Public research is our best friend. The government will not for one second tell you anything good they find out on cannabis use, we should have a right to know what our government is doing but we don't.

I usually try to keep these short so people will read my responses, but I want to clarify "sort of" what I meant. I didn't see that the article came from a university or I would have laughed, but I'm sure his/her information came from somewhere more reputable. I just happened to glance over it one day and decided to post it, I rarely take notice to those ignorant articles. Take it easy, Peace.

well,

Mar 14 2008, 8:59 pm

to me it looks like Cannabis is safer than Salvia, if i read this right, and people who dont know s#!T about pot might think that weed is just as bad as smoking any random plant, so we need to clearly distinguish between the two for the sake of arguement for relegalization of cannabis, we gotta let 'em know that pot is pretty much perfect for smoking, and it other smokes that are dangerous, like today's tobacco cigarettes are as deadly as knives and alchohol is too... if we clearly present it as the safer smoke we might reach some of the blockheads in charge with some undeniable common sense. Science can be our friend! use it, young scientists of the world!

MassHaze...Crib

Mar 14 2008, 5:56 pm

That college student editorial is devoid of everything necessary to make the argument valid. Scientists "found out" that marijuana was 200 times more likely to kill someone at some point, too.

Go on to erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis.shtml if you want to see the straight statistics of toxin levels present. Hell, they even have a comparison per weight of how much either tobacco or marijuana has. At least they did last I checked, so dont get pissed if they removed it this week for whatever reason.

Believe me, 1 jacksonville university student is not going to bring down the marijuana legalization crowd. Science is backing the legalization movement, not hindering it.

Okla420

Mar 14 2008, 5:29 pm

To Bowler:

There is no way in hell you can tell me Salvia is stronger then LSD or Psilocybin mushrooms. Comparing Salvia to the other two is like comparing Smirnoff ice to a bottle of mescal tequilla.

And to the guy who posted just below...I agree whole-heartedly..Mescaline is just awesome.

Why You So Stupid?

Mar 14 2008, 3:14 pm

If you wanna trip, eat some mescaline.

macdaddy

Mar 14 2008, 11:01 am

fuck salvia. Toke on some OG kush.

Crib.....MassHaze

Mar 14 2008, 8:03 am

They are beginning to conduct research and are finding harmful facts about cannabis. We now have to rely on how prohibition is destroying innocent peoples lives. Here is a short clip.

http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v08/n229/a05.html

i_blow_clouds =D

Mar 14 2008, 2:35 am

salvia sucks donkey dick
u could never replace weed

Legalize Thc High

Mar 14 2008, 2:18 am

To Soldier666

Does the Army allow troops to toke weed?
Awesome...

shitpoop

Mar 13 2008, 11:09 pm

is what salvia is
try some dmt if you want to trip for ten minutes
personally give me some lucy or some mush and i'll be happy
san pedro amigo
san pedro

runkpock

Mar 13 2008, 5:32 pm

i have tried salvia before and its intense, but to have it become criminalize is too much. when you use it your not partying or driving you relax and just experience the trip. like i said its intense so read instructions carefully and be responsible for your actions. be smart

kinder

Mar 13 2008, 5:21 pm

We really don't need new MJ, there's nothing wrong with the old one.

Bowler

Mar 13 2008, 4:37 pm

I have bought Salvia in stores in Las Vegas a few years ago.....now they do not sell it in stores anymore! The kind of Salvia i smoked was called 21x purple sticky. My experience on this salvia was much more intense than Halucingen Shrooms or LSD. I have tried 5x and 10x and all it did to me was just cause my body to have excessive amount of sweat everywhere. I dont see how this "Salvia" is even COMPARABLE to becoming the "Next Marijuana". I would never do salvia again, I did NOT enjoy my trip on it. My brother watched me as I tried it, and said it looked like I was having a Ceisure. It lasted about 5 minutes, and in that time i saw the world come to an end! I also saw several Familiar faces that I couldnt put names too. This drug is far more uncontrolable drug is much tougher than smoking Marijuana several bowls.

bud smoker

Mar 13 2008, 4:23 pm

marijuana is the next marijuana

tell your friends

MassHaze

Mar 13 2008, 3:46 pm

didnt anyone catch the important part of this article? The phrase "the new marijuana" implies that actual marijuana is going somewhere. Are more and more legislators believing now that it will be illegal so they are trying to compare a massive hallucinogen to it to make it sound scarier before legalization?

It could be wishful thinking, but this is a smear campaign on marijuana. Facts no longer help their cause because there are no facts that support their ideas. Hell, even the Drug Free America website has votes showing that drugs are more or less "victimless".

This almost seems like a winning problem. They are only going to get it illegalized if their community learns nothing of salvia before the vote.

Anslinger

Mar 13 2008, 3:11 pm

These government idiots are totally stupid. By pushing legislation to ban the plant they are making Salvia D way more popular than ever before. If these compationate legislators really wanted to "save" kids they should ban all cars, because cars kill way more teens than Salvia has ever done.

$

Mar 13 2008, 11:16 am

Go ahead!! Make it illegal!!
You'll see that shit everywhere and people will make some $$ selling it!! Wait and see!!


What a bunch of dumb fucks we have making laws.

to Ray

Mar 13 2008, 9:53 am

I think you're full of shit .
I think you're making shit up just to throw some "wannabe nazi government" bullshit around .
Get a life .

Ray

Mar 12 2008, 8:57 pm

I have used salvia many times, although i only use it for ceromonies, in my religion we use it to go on spirit quests
if this wannabe nazi government illegalizes salvia, then they will in turn be illegalizing my religion
this is all another governmental ploy to make more money by charging us fines and court costs to defend our right to use salvia

Ben

Mar 12 2008, 7:12 pm

Salvia is somthing that you will do in moderation just like any other hallucinogenic like L.S.D. or Mushrooms ect... No normal person will smoke it everyday. Its not like 'FUCK, im out of salvia, i need to get another sack or I wont be able to sleep"..You know what im saying.

okla420

Mar 12 2008, 6:47 pm

I've tried it a few years back and it was a big fat waste of my time.

Personaly, I think Salvia and use of it is dumb outside of it's original use by indiginous peoples but making this "illegal" is just going to make teenagers want to try it more then when it was "legal".

Marlin Angela

Mar 12 2008, 4:34 pm

Instead they should encourage the youth to plant their own Cannabis and have their own experience with the plants which is already a nice one , that would help them be better children , when you have to take care of a Cannabis plant you'll know what I'm talking about.Better youngsters better future!More sence of responsability.

obodacious1

Mar 12 2008, 3:42 pm

where is this salvia plant in mississippi? help

TripsteR LoK

Mar 12 2008, 3:42 pm

Unlike marijuana salvia can and most of the time does impair actions, reactions and the ability to operate a vehicle but on the kind of "high" that you get from salvia driving should be the last thing on your mind. Salvia is ok but I don't like smoking it really because it makes me sweat a lot don't know why and I end up with a nasty aftertaste along wit the funky smell it leaves on my piece/bong and like the article says its not a party drug I have never seen anyone pull out some salvia at a party and start smokin a blunt of some dank works a lot better so yea jus keep salvia legal its not gonna get far and its not the "new marijuana" that's just absurd..

ArmySoldier666

Mar 12 2008, 3:07 pm

Re:Htown Smoker
I love the ganja gods and ganja and my wife and unborn baby

Htown Shmoker

Mar 12 2008, 11:40 am

ArmySoldier666 RE::
i love you

Anything....

Mar 12 2008, 9:15 am

....to keep us North-Americans under "control". Although, I say this is more about money. Yup, money. How did the American government make money in the 70's and 80's? Not just by selling weapons, geeeez! They were huge in the cocaine and Heroin business! But what do I know anyway.... =)

thawizud420

Mar 12 2008, 8:59 am

fuck that nothing compares to marijuana

BiG R3D

Mar 12 2008, 8:46 am

A FELONY????? and now they are listing it as a factor in suicide??? thats just for fuckin horrible parents that cant accept the fact that they are a big reason for the kids deppression, ive been depressed weed makes me feel better this is exactly where bush led this country to because if hilary wins this is exactly the kinds of decisions that are in our future


hey "stupid" what the fuck u got against people makin a living? grow the fuck up

Seed in mind

Mar 12 2008, 12:24 am

I live in florida now and people seem to think they represent god. But seriously if Salvia has been legal from the beginning of time till now there hasn't been much of a problem with it. Make it illegal and it will be a problem, but maybe thats the goal, more problems. I've never tried it. But Doesn't it feel that there is a war on people having a spiritual experience. Let the people be free, our four fathers would be so proud of us for sitting back and watching our liberties and freedom being taken away. One guy wants to send peanuts to the white house, WOW. Atleast it's something though, better than nothing.

markkkodelikkk

Mar 11 2008, 10:06 pm

esta bien buena yo la probe y es un viajesote nesecitas estar sentado y creeo q losviajes de cada quien son diferentes mi cabeza estaba como saliendose jajajajaja flip out

america

Mar 11 2008, 7:14 pm

don't got no roof,king george
dun blowed clean off.

ADVERTISE

Mar 11 2008, 7:08 pm

Salvia divinorum coming soon to your nearest dealer!

stupid stupid STUPID!

Mar 11 2008, 6:43 pm

That idea is stupid. Another plants for the gangs and mafias to make money off. Crime rate is going be busting through the america's roof!

DJ 420

Mar 11 2008, 6:35 pm

This is where I have a problem. Everyones saying it should be legal, but look at it this way. Weve come a long way with legalizing weed. If they put this in the same classification as weed, inevitably someone tripping will cause do something really stupid, and we're back to phaze 1. Stick with one cause for weed, and wer stand a better chance of progress. Peace !!!

Fatty!!!

Mar 11 2008, 6:17 pm

Again, THE DRUG WAR DOES NOT WORK! Leave nature alone. If I want to smoke or eat a plant then that should be MY chouice, not the screwed-up governments chouice.

I smoked some 10x once

Mar 11 2008, 6:02 pm

It was pretty cool. like a small little acid trip. really intense for about 15-20 minutes then it wears down quickly. different people have different experiences. I had a very "enlightening" experience while my female friend went all the way to lala land on the same shit. she got way more fucked up than me on the same amount.

once again

Mar 11 2008, 5:59 pm

all they can say is, "it for the kids"

"if you save one kid..."

YOU COULD SAVE MORE KIDS WITH EDUCATION THAN YOU COULD EVER SAVE WITH CRIMINALIZATION.

Concerned Citizen

Mar 11 2008, 5:56 pm

Salvia is indeed a shamanistic tool. There are things in this article that are bogus. For one, there is no such thing as 5x through 60x liquid extract. I think they were going for "extract." Also, chewing salvia is the only way you can achieve a sustainable hour-long trip, smoking lasts 5-20 mins. By the way we all know prohibition don't work. Peace and happy trails!

Suggs4Drugs

Mar 11 2008, 5:46 pm

I hated that shit.
It made me want to have a seizure.
But if they make it illegal, hell, Ill have yet another plant that I can make money off of.

blunt smoker

Mar 11 2008, 5:44 pm

k..salvia suppedly fucks u right up for like 15 min or something..and it is so intence that if it lasted as long as a weed trip then u couldnt even take it..i think that would be pretty fucking fun. And i dont see what the big deal is if it is legal. But hell i think that weed should be legal to. And no, salvia is defenitly not the next weed, mabye the next fun drug but not the next weed. No drug is good as weed. Who the fuck would wanna sit around and smoke every 15 minutes just to get high again any ways. I rather just smoke weed every 15 minutes and keep getting more fucked up as u go

blunt smoker

Mar 11 2008, 5:44 pm

k..salvia suppedly fucks u right up for like 15 min or something..and it is so intence that if it lasted as long as a weed trip then u couldnt even take it..i think that would be pretty fucking fun. And i dont see what the big deal is if it is legal. But hell i think that weed should be legal to. And no, salvia is defenitly not the next weed, mabye the next fun drug but not the next weed. No drug is good as weed. Who the fuck would wanna sit around and smoke every 15 minutes just to get high again any ways. I rather just smoke weed every 15 minutes and keep getting more fucked up as u go

potsa22

Mar 11 2008, 5:10 pm

I've smoked it a few times in my life. Not the extracts, just the leaves alone and it always gave me a noticeable trip. I don't think it will gain much in popularity, however if they make it illegal I'm sure more people will want to try it.

bongzilla420

Mar 11 2008, 4:59 pm

what the fuck do they think is gonna happen? you trip balls for 5 min after 10 you dont feel a god damn thing. wtf is worst thing that can happen. its just another example of our stupid piece of shit gov. being a stupid piece of shit government

ArmySoldier666

Mar 11 2008, 4:36 pm

RE: Htown Shmoker

If you didnt read the article why comment. Its pointless to contribute the fact that you didn't read the article but you feel your opinion is right. We need to fight this because now the gestapo wants to make another freedom illegal. Pretty soon we wont even be able cuss without being thrown in jail.

Buzz Ard

Mar 11 2008, 4:05 pm

No thanks . Weed has always done the trick for me .

Thy Ginava Ninjalette

Mar 11 2008, 3:48 pm

To shiesel:

I had a similar wall creeping experience when I shroomed for the first time. I climbed up our bathroom wall and crawled between the wall and ceiling into the apartment above us, then went into the living room, where our christmas tree was folding in on itself like waves of color. Not to mention our black cat decided to take on a few new colors of her own. Twas a great experience indeed. But then again, i haven't tried salvia, though my fiance's brother has and said it was almost exactly like shrooming, cept he didn't feel the heavyness you get with the capped wonders.

SmoKinTheIndustry

Mar 11 2008, 3:41 pm

smokintheindustry (MySpace)

SmoKin The Industry

Mar 11 2008, 3:40 pm

SMOKE SALVIA WHILE CHILLIN IN YOUR SWIMMING POOL OR HOT TUB!

shiesel

Mar 11 2008, 3:21 pm

Salvia is something I tried once,It was fun!I crept through a wall into another dimention,figured out life after death and it was over in 5 min.Something you do once and never again.It's just like a spiritual experience.I'll never do it again,And it's not like you crave it.I don't think it would even work if you did it everyday.If you do do it,use the 10times extract at least,20 is better.You have to use a high tempature butane lighter to.NO BIG DEAL,Spinster's record shop in new hope PA sells it!If you want to get off just drink some PHILLY tap water 57 PHARMYS IN IT!!!!!HIJGHIG

Htown Shmoker

Mar 11 2008, 3:10 pm

I havent even read the article but im gonna have to give that a big fuck no.
smoke weed everyday.

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