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Wed, Apr 02, 2008 1:43 pm


TALLAHASSEE – Increasing the penalty for marijuana grow house operators appears imminent in one branch of the Legislature as a new law generated little debate today before it was moved forward to a final vote.

The bill, HB 173, would bring first-degree felony charges against operators of grow houses with 25 or more plants and where children or infants are present. And the bill would charge operators with at least a second-degree felony for having 25 plants and a third-degree felony for owning a house with the intent to grow marijuana.

The law now requires 300 or more plants for those penalties.

“But can you explain how knowledge is proved and how that person should have known this was taking place?” said Rep. Audrey Gibson, DJacksonville.

She was referring to a potential situation in which a homeowner renting his house might not realize his tenants were growing marijuana.

“It could be (proven) through testimony from witnesses,” said Nick Thompson, RFort Myers, who sponsored the bill. “If the person operating the grow house is not the owner, and giving money to the people operating it, you could prove it through bank accounts, through money laundering.”

Walking up to the house makes marijuana cultivation evident too, Thompson said.

“You can smell it, the odor (from outside the house). And it's really strong when you get inside.”

Thompson, a Fort Myers prosecutor, held two large pictures on poster boards. In the first, he showed how normal a house can look from the outside, a typical suburban home in sprawling Lee County. In the second, he showed how nefarious the activity can be on the inside as the image depicted rows of marijuana plants.

This has become a problem in Lee County, where sheriff's deputies raided 70 grow houses last year, mostly in Lehigh Acres. In one incident, a home invasion in Lehigh deputies later responded to, bullet holes in the wall were just inches above a baby's crib.

A final vote on the House bill remains. A Senate companion bill on Tuesday unanimously passed the chamber's Criminal Justice Committee. If the bills are passed in both chambers and the governor approves them, they will become law on July 1.


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Sublime420_smokeallaround

May 1 2008, 2:12 pm

thats gay thy need to leave the growers alone it dont concern them.

REV. TJ

Apr 22 2008, 7:27 pm

First for the record, YES I am an actually Reverend. Second, what I am going to say might sound as a shock but in all honesty I feel that what I am about to say is TRUTH.
I do no feel that organized religion as we know it represents truth. I am of the belief that to try and define the undefinable in regards to God, Gods, or a higher power is blasphemy in itself.
Likewise this whole discussion about "heaven on earth" is futile. Personally I do not beleive in an angry God who joyfully punishes the "wicked" in a mythical place called Hell. The fact is, Hell does not exist.
In saying that, the opposite must also be true, there is no mythical land of perfect bliss called Heaven.
It is my belief that this planet Earth and this human existence IS heaven. Heaven in the sense that this is the best time and the best place in all of known history and time to exist. Life is perfect and life is Love.
But like all things it take hard work and dedication to flower to its full potential. So spread Love and in turn you will spreading Life thereby expanding upon the ideal that Earth and all its creatures are all here for one thing and one thing only, to take of each other and share Love
. So take care and shared some rolled up Love with someone you love TODAY!
Cheers! - Rev. TJ

hey, everyone!

Apr 7 2008, 1:09 am

I just wanted to say, evil is contagious. also it is harder to unlearn than it is to learn. and fear is often louder than reason. however the truth often looks different thru other people's eyes. I am a person, I am an animal, a beast, an incarnation of the spark of life, just as all things are, and I hunger.

TCB...re: The wizzinator

Apr 6 2008, 1:04 pm

Just for the record: I was NOT the guy accusing High Times magazine of lying and being involved with police busts. I was answering and challenging the post before mine (Protest the police state--2nd post on April 2 at 13:41). HE made the accusation. I was simply asking for clarification, because I thought it was pure bullshit, and HT is my favorite magazine of all time. They are the ones who turned me into an activist in 1991 with their Earth Day issue (This Plant Can Save The World [something like that], by Jack Herer). So, when somebody starts making wildly paranoid claims against HT without giving ANY supporting facts, I get a little defensive...but I think I did a pretty good job of turning his statement into mincemeat.
As far as my comments being way out in the left field bleachers, it's because I hit that one way over the left field fence, in my own humble opinion. Another home run for our side.
By the way, no offense to The wizzinator was intended here. I just couldn't tell from your post if you thought that I was the one accusing HT of lying, etc., and I don't want people thinking that I'm some paranoid dipshit who makes such insane, seemingly groundless claims. If anyone has doubts, re-read my post on April 2 at 14:51 (the post in question here).

I'm TCB, and I approved this message.

HU210

Apr 6 2008, 12:10 pm

My 2 cents on the whole messege of Jesus is. That we will never have heaven on earth. Until the power of love becomes stronger than the love for power.
This is all that we get. We should try to really enjoy it, and to make it a great world to live in.
Absent the arrogant belief of-my god is better than your god- poiltics.

kinder

Apr 6 2008, 8:53 am

To loves to smoke:
You have a nice day!!!!
PS, HAVE YOU DONE THE MATH ON FINGER POINTING YET?

LovesToSmoke

Apr 6 2008, 7:35 am

Do you people REALLY believe that the twisted mockery of our Saviors name you see in these dens of inequity they call 'churches' has anything at all to do with REAL Christianity? This is why you are so deceived!

Would you like it if someone stole YOUR identity and YOU were held to everything that was done in your name? I don’t think so!!

Yet you do it to Jesus, you mock Him because of it and you make stupid boasts like ‘I thought only people without the great burning bush were so nasty to each other’.

If someone spent their lives mocking you and making life hell for your children, if every time someone used your name falsely you had to answer for it and no one would believe you, if someone tarnished your name to make everyone believe you were a monster, capable of the most heinous crimes, would you then offer a hand when that someone called out to you to lift them out of their problems, that they themselves created, and invite them to live with you in your own house?

You all are the ‘someone’ and you have accused Jesus falsely and believed every bad word that was ever said of Him. This is Jesus who laid down His own life that we could be saved, FROM OUR OWN STUPIDITY, who you call a monster. It is Jesus and Jesus alone who can save you from what is coming, and IF He does, it will be to His Father’s house you will be taken. You have made yourselves His enemy, for no good reason, other than a long history of false allegations against Him by the very ones who wage war against our Father. It’s called propaganda. And you fell for it hook, line and sinker!

Put yourself in His place, would you save you? Would you invite your enemy into your house? Especially if your enemy is your enemy because you were falsely accused and your enemy did everything they could to make it stick?

And, Slater, if you can honestly say that there was nothing wrong with kinder’s post then, you sir, have a seriously low IQ!

BurningGirl

Apr 6 2008, 12:27 am

Why can't we all just get a bong ? I thought only people without the great burning bush were so nasty to each other . Time to log off and light up I say .......

420god

Apr 5 2008, 9:04 am

I find it funny how people are always looking at other people's posts like wtf? And I guess that's all you can do, but you can say it to yourself! Obviously some of us have way more potent herb than others, or we'd be on the same page

Slater

Apr 5 2008, 1:10 am

Theres nothing wrong with Kinders post, he just says it how it is. Why is everyone getting so pissy with each other? Haha.

kinder

Apr 4 2008, 10:00 pm

C'mon you can do better than that!!!!!!!
Mr. all grown up.

LovesToSmoke

Apr 4 2008, 9:43 pm

Yes, kinder, I do see the pattern here.

You have, without a doubt, proven yourself to be retarded.

Anyone one reading that last post of yours could not possibly continue to defend you, not with a straight face anyway. Do you all REALLY stand with this boy? I know you don’t, Truthmissile, but the rest of you? Seriously, THIS is what you cast your lot with?

Kinder can't POSSIBLY be past 7th grade. Once again people, consider what you write and how you write it. You all keep posting crap like kinder’s and you REALLY make yourselves look stupid. I, mean, come on… LOOK at it; does this look like someone who even HAS a functioning brain? And THIS boy’s word you trust? And do not tell me you don’t, if your opinion is the same as his, your lot is cast with his. Seriously, it has to bother you that you share anything with kinder, let alone an opinion about something this important. It’s kinda like betting the horses, you look at that total loser and, well at least you know not to bet HIS horse. And when you see him cry, you’re glad you didn’t. Seriously, if I were a betting man I’d lay it all on whatever is the opposite of kinder’s opinion. Although, I’ll give you kudos for getting this far in life kinder, at least we can assume you’ve learned how to crap. I bet you’ve got farting down to a science, too!

kinder

Apr 4 2008, 8:26 pm

IS THAT A DEMAND AND WHEN DID YOU GROW A BRAIN CAUSE YOU AIN'T GOT NO HART AND WHEN IT COMES TO CURAGE AND THE LIKE
IT CAN BE FOUND WHERE YOU AIN'T LOOK'N.
DO YOU SEE THE PATTERN HERE?

LovesToSmoke

Apr 4 2008, 7:10 pm

And the ONLY reason I am 'right' about ANYTHING is because I trust our Father. I believe Him, and I believe He is right. This IS real. They are His words, NOT mine. You better start believing soon, too.

LovesToSmoke

Apr 4 2008, 7:03 pm

Kinder, you are a lost little boy.

I never took any credit for anything, its not my Bible, they are not my words, I didn't build anything or cause anything in the world to magically appear or disappear.

How you could get anything like I, I, I, ME, ME, ME out of ANYTHING I wrote is beyond wasted. Its like your making up the words as you read them. The only thing I want out of any of this is for you all to wake up and consider the danger we are in. To consider your soul. To make account for why we are in this mess and to band together against it, brethren and countrymen, eye-to-eye against this evil that has moved right into our backyard. This IS going to happen, all that's left to decide is if we will die as cowards or make a last stand against evil and show that there is valor and honor in us after all. Dying as part of the most pathetic and cowardly generation that ever lived does not sit well with me, and it shouldn’t with any of you either.

And consider what you write, your words and the way you use them really are an embarrassment. You shame yourselves.

kinder

Apr 4 2008, 6:07 pm

To loves to smoke:
I,I,I ME,ME,ME.
I think you should really take care of that breathing problem that you have.
You just gave all the GLORY, TO YOURSELF.
That is your 2nd mistake.
And i somehow feel #3 is not far off!!!!!!!!
HU210,Slater, more snakx for us.

LovesToSmoke

Apr 4 2008, 5:55 pm

Thanks Truthmissile, I apprieciate the support.

To you HU, I wouldn't accept, I couldn't bear the thought that you may pick THE day and I'd have to watch your sorry asses choke on your words.

HU210

Apr 4 2008, 3:53 pm

@Slater & Kinder.
Let's uninvite LTS. Fucker seems to be a stick in the mud that would ruin the buzzz I think.

truthmissile

Apr 4 2008, 2:48 pm

LovesToSmoke - I LOVE WHAT YOU WRITE. You are right on. And there is a DIFFERENCE between organized religion and REAL spiritual thought. Don't believe in God? Try mushrooms. You will not only believe in him, you'll see him!

VAPORIZE 420 24-7

LovesToSmoke

Apr 4 2008, 2:27 pm

Not a problem. Re-read what I wrote. I really am not wrong. You DON'T want this to take you by suprise.

LovesToSmoke

Apr 4 2008, 2:26 pm

Speaking of y2k, EVERYONE around me, and I worked in desktop publishing, computers were my life, were ALL rattled by y2k. I worked for a multi-billion dollar global corporation and THEY were rattled. People with BS degrees were rattled and chastised me for 'not knowing what I was talking about'. There was no one but myself saying it was all a waste of time. Somehow, I can't believe you WEREN'T joining their cries.

You assume I behaved just like YOU and the rest. I did not. And, I won’t believe a word you say on it if you don’t admit it. If there were many like me saying it was a waste of time, I WOULD have met someone that sided with me. I never did, and I won’t believe some pompous ass ignoramus such as yourself would have been the one!

Suggs4Drugs

Apr 4 2008, 2:20 pm

Haha, LovesToSmoke, no I wasnt demanding you be senscored. Someone said something about HT deleting peoples comments. Then I adressed the whole Religion thing. It was 2 different questions. Sorry for the confusion.

LovesToSmoke

Apr 4 2008, 2:16 pm

Nope, I was the one who was saying it was all a con and a waste of money.

My logic went like this:
You have credit cards, term life policies, insurance policies, investment accounts, retirement accounts, loans, mortgages, etc., ALL using dates well beyond the y2k! If there were to be a problem, all these companies with their need to forecast financial futures would have discovered and resolved any issues. They found none, thus it was all a scare invented to pump billions into the economy. I was the one who called it correctly, EVERYONE around me scoffed at my logic, who was I? Tech in my company would actually get irate because I dared challenge their wisdom.

While everyone in the world was behaving like imbecilic little chickens, I was telling and showing everyone why they had nothing to worry about. I was right then and I am right today!

Look at the way people live and all these wealthy ‘leaders’ living high on the hog and STILL taking more from the people who trust them. You really think they care about YOU? All you are is a strand of DNA and a putz who will add to their wealth. You mean nothing. Think about it, if they weren’t pulling this scam and increasing our numbers to achieve their agenda, we would have never been born! This world would have never NATURALLY increased to such numbers without their coaxing it along. They figure, if it weren’t for them, you would not even BE, thus you are deserving of life only inasmuch as you can serve their desires. If not for their desire to serve, what point was there to your being born? They increased our numbers so we could serve THEM, without THEM and their desires no one would have wanted or needed you. Keep cheering for them, after all, you WERE born to do just that… in their minds.

Mikey

Apr 4 2008, 12:46 pm

lovestosmoke, you sir, are a total fucking idiot. i bet you were shitting yourself right before y2k came and went without a hitch! the sky is falling! oh no!

LovesToSmoke

Apr 4 2008, 9:32 am

Hey suggs, am I reading you right? You are DEMANDING HT censor me? OK, I get it, our constitution means nothing! We censor OUESELVES! What does the gov’t need to be bothered for? You want to know why the gov’t has such a hold on us that they can jail sick people for using something that God gave us? Because of assholes like you who just love to jiggle your vanity and present themselves as intelligent, functioning, rational people!

YOU ALL DISGUST ME!! You are, without doubt, a bunch of f***ing’ idiots!

Zugot the Ganja Farmer

Apr 4 2008, 3:55 am

Secondly the leaders of this country have everything all wrong. We can feed americans perscriptions left and right for diseases that are just complete bullshit. The Government is the biggest dealer of all. I myself have depression and other medical problems but i will never put a pill in my body to so call cure me,they only make it worse and want people wanting more. All my perscriptions come in a ziplocked bag!!! The Ganja is the only thing i have found that evens me out. Cure americas problem the natural way! stop the pill abuse! sit down break up some of your finest dizzle and like the man says "Every little thing is goona be all right

Zugot the Ganja Farmer

Apr 4 2008, 3:46 am

The government has no right to spy on anyone for starters!!!

kinder

Apr 3 2008, 7:01 pm

To HU210,Slater:
I just checked ahead and on that date i'll be bringing the SNAKX!!!!!!!!

HU210

Apr 3 2008, 6:47 pm

You are a mensch Slater. I will bring along a spliff of a G-13 Train Wreck cross = pure meditation with big smile when finished.(created in haste and as a matter of circumstance after the heavens stairway got closed)
I swear that the 4 of us will be able to converse and never speak a word for about an hour after smokin it.

Slater

Apr 3 2008, 6:17 pm

Haha, sounds good.
I guess ill bring the Bong to.

HU210

Apr 3 2008, 5:58 pm

On 12/21/12, or when ever it is. Slater will be losing a $10.00 bet to me and bringing some weed to celebrate the not end of the world to boot.
Loves to smoke and kinder can come also.
Slater, keep the $10.00. But bring a little bit more of that killer weed so we can share with LTS and Kinder. Alright?
Peace

Suggs4Drugs

Apr 3 2008, 4:48 pm

Yeah, im going to have to agree with Kinder. HT deletes comments? I havent noticed any going missing.
And to LovesToSmoke, when and if something happens, I have a gun, which in my opinion is better protection then beleiving in a fake God that people made up thousands of years ago. Congradulations, you belong to the oldest Cult in world history.

ps

Apr 3 2008, 4:28 pm

you shur took up alot of space
to say nothing.

kinder

Apr 3 2008, 4:26 pm

Ok, loves to smoke, you just sit there where ever you are
just sit there on your ASS, go
ahead by all means "sound the alarm" I know you are so full of SHIT.
Now what happens when you point the finger, QUICK DO THE MATH IF YOU CAN.

LovesToSmoke

Apr 3 2008, 4:20 pm

Dude, you write like you're 5. Are you in kindergarden yet?

Yo

Apr 3 2008, 2:03 pm

you are completely brainwashed and insane. You are one who should leave the weed alone. You are the one who needs to wake up, not everyone else on the planet.

LovesToSmoke

Apr 3 2008, 12:08 pm

And one last point:

When you let yourselves be entertained, do you know what it is you are REALLY doing? Do you know what REALLY causes an anxiety attack? All those ‘sensations’ you feel while watching, IMERSEING yourself in, your ‘entertainment’ is causing a flood of endorphins to saturate the receptors in your brain. These extremes are nowhere near anything you should be experiencing in real life. These endorphins are the most potent narcotic known to man! This is why work is so boring, it’s called WITHDRAWAL!! The anxiety attack is an OVERDOSE!! You are staring at this ‘entertainment’ and flooding yourselves with the most potent narcotic there is! Meanwhile, you are subconsciously relating to these exaggerated characters and situations, AND their resolutions. You are, in effect, being trained how to behave and relate, all the while these endorphins are securing these subliminal implants. You are all walking around in a narcotic fog, doing EXACTLY as you are programmed to do, all the while thinking that you are making your OWN choices! They have stolen your freewill! If you happen to be one of those whose soul will not rest, they label it ‘depression’ and give you a drug, actually a molecular structure that was assembled in a lab, to put your soul into a coma.

YOU ALL REALLY NEED TO WAKE UP NOW!!!

YOUR SOUL IS STRONGER THEN THE DRUGS YOUR BODY MANUFACTURES, LET YOUR SOUL KICK YOUR FLESH”S ASS!!!!

LovesToSmoke

Apr 3 2008, 11:11 am

Oh, almost forgot,

YOU ALL MAKE ME SICK!!!!

LovesToSmoke

Apr 3 2008, 10:01 am

1) No, I AM NOT wrong! And you WILL see!! These people who lead us care about us only for what we can provide for them or what they can drain from us!! Look at their laws, who the hell are they? They have you convinced, by force and threat, that you have to do as they tell you too. It is not your choice, and if you don't like it, well, just shoot your dumb ass. They OWN us!! You are all so blind you can see nothing past the point of your nose! We have the core samples to prove it. I HAVE SEEN the graphs. Since the impact that killed the dinos there has been a ripple effect coursing through our planet. In between these snowball earth periods are many warming and cooling spells. What al gore showed you on that big, stage stretching, red graph at the start of “An Inconvenient Truth” was ONLY from the end of the last snowball earth to the present, the precipice of the next. It is dated to arrive at 12/21/2012. It was all a con. You don’t want the religion stuff? Fine, here it is without it:

LovesToSmoke

Apr 3 2008, 10:00 am

2) The wealthy funded expeditions and discovered and mapped the world’s ages throughout its history. They saw that we were on the precipice of the next great ice age and the planet will be inhospitable. They found that these snowball earth ages were due to this ripple effect coursing through our earth reaching the apex of its curve and returning back upon itself starting its next cycle. Remember the silver balls? Lift one and see one bounce back and forth off the ends of the row, lift two and two bounce of the ends. Same principle. Knowing we were all going to die they went into overdrive, increasing our numbers as much as possible, any way possible!! They needed material excavated, they needed to make practical the sciences they discovered, they need tools forged and they needed to build THEIR cities to withstand the catastrophe. They also discovered the potential for cloning and genetic resurrection, a theory perhaps, but a VERY promising one. All they had to do is con the people, make them think they are building a better world, make them think we are all in this together, and we would dig up and build for them ANYTHING they wanted. All that is left for them to do is harvest our DNA, in anticipation of the day they finally acquire the science to manipulate it, and exterminate our worthless asses. The ice age will scrub the planet clean and they will emerge to a pristine world that they can rule any way they want, with our DNA to supply them with all the slaves they will ever need, for any perversion that they could ever desire!

LovesToSmoke

Apr 3 2008, 10:00 am

3) If you can’t see, with your own eyes, that these perverted freaks that lead us are undisputedly evil and vile, that such a scenario is not only possible with these freaks, but is so likely as to be a brain fart moment of “HOW COULD I HAVE POSSIBLY MISSED THAT AND TRUSTED THEM”!!! If you can’t see islam and these rouge nations masquerading as ‘gangs’ as the PERFECT tools to help wipe out a 6.5 billion populace thus causing as little real, read: nuclear, devastation as possible. If you really think we have a voice in all this, blind to the fact that they have farmed us and are at this moment preparing to harvest us, you are WAY beyond hope. Oh, yea, that Jesus stuff? All part of the con, responsible for keeping that particular segment of society at bay. Ain’t no one coming to save ya, baby!! Not this time! Nope, you are going to ride it out all alone! Dying will be like being knocked out, being ‘cloned’ or ‘resurrected’ like coming through... into whatever perversion pleases them! Congrads! You, WE , ALL, helped them pull off the perfect con… and we will pay for it through eternity!!

As for me, I’ll keep my faith, thank-you very much. There is NO getting around the absolute FACT that our Bible, if read correctly without the lies about it, has EVERYTHING that is happening, WORD FOR WORD, EXACTLY as we see it, in its verses! Without Jesus we are left to hold the bag, conned for ETERNITY!!! With Jesus, WE HAVE HOPE!!! And it IS real!! Go ahead, betray Him for these assholes at your own peril. As for me, I’ll continue to sound the alarm until they kill me! You all are truly part of the most pathetic, vile generation that has ever lived! You used the cloak of freedom, soaked with the blood of those who cared and stood up and sacrificed, to invite wholesale evil to rule our world, just so you could indulge your body and enjoy the luxuries and abundance of evil for a little while!

Yea!

Apr 3 2008, 9:53 am

Fuck you, too much freedom is bad! and the goverment should be allowed to spy on us!

>to below...

Apr 3 2008, 8:55 am

Yes! Fuck you!

Fuck Ron Paul

Apr 3 2008, 7:40 am

-too much freedom
-stable money not owned by fed's?
-no spying on Americans?????
No Patriot Act, No Victory Act
-No Income Tax
-Against the NWO??? Fuck that
-No CIA
-No IRS

BOOO FUCK RON PAUL, FUCK RON PAUL, FUCK RON PAUL!!

Vote 4 Obama

Apr 3 2008, 7:37 am

Yea Ron Paul would ruin America giving people the freedom to choose, bringing back troops from all over the world, were nation building and controlling populations with our army, IT'S GOOD, Ron Paul doesn't want to control the world like Obama does, He wants to keep America, and get rid of the North American Union? No way, Fuck Ron Paul.

PS

Apr 3 2008, 7:32 am

you need to break out of your narrow no window box.

kinder

Apr 3 2008, 7:29 am

to loves to smoke:
Once again,wrong,wrong,wrong.
You are not without blame.
And if you think you walk on water,your gonna drown in it.
The only thing about 2012, is
it's 4,years down the road.
You are the one who is telling all the lies. YOU ARE
DRINKING WHAT THEY ARE SALEING.

LovesToSmoke

Apr 3 2008, 7:12 am

Hey suggs, you ARE wrong!! It is real!! Who the hell are you? You believe all that these deceivers in life have told you. You betray our savior based on the lies you have been told and believe. You will spend your eternity with those you trusted. To you it will feel like it never was true. That won't stop our gov't or islam from doing what they started. The ONLY difference is you will have no one to save you. You and those like you spout off about how no one can be trusted, you vainly boast of your intellect, how you have been taught, by the very ones who would lie to cover their plot. We CANNOT sustain our planet, we CANNOT continue as we are, we CANNOT support all that we have built and that date 12/21/2012 didn't just pop out of nowhere. That IS the end of this age and the next WILL be an ice age and the world’s population will not be able to withstand it. These are FACTS; ignore them at your own peril. You are a close-minded ignoramus who doesn't have the common sense given to a cow; you’re like a turkey that will drown all because it doesn't have the sense to look down when it rains!!

LovesToSmoke

Apr 3 2008, 7:02 am

HT Admin; You are lying!!!

Prove it!!

Call the people, via your mag to join the peanut protest!!

Your refusal, coupled with the fact that you keep deleting the posts PROVES you to be liars and deceivers!!!

LovesToSmoke

Apr 3 2008, 7:01 am

We had a Boston Tea Party, now let’s have a Peanut Protest!

4-20-08

Don’t laugh or mock it, just do it!
EVERYBODY who lights up, EVERYBODY who is tired of the gov’t putting their guns in our faces and taking our lives needs to participate!

EVERBODY!

On 4-20-08 we start mailing and we keep mailing until they acquiesce!
It’s not expensive, if we can afford the smoke, we can afford the nuts!


Why wait for the puppets at HT or NORML and the host of others who fight more for our money than our cause? Remember last years TV show, Jericho, which was canceled? The fans got it renewed by bombarding those who canceled it with peanuts, after the last line of the last show. What if we mailed millions of bags of peanuts to the white house? Lets freak out some politicians! It’s peaceful, it’s legal and there is not a damn thing they can do about it or, once started, stop, without ending prohibition first! Isn’t it time we did something besides acquiesces to their rules and play the voting game sham?

The rules:

1) Make the 'return' address the same as the 'send to' address. This forces them to deliver because they can't return the package to it's origin. If the white house refuses to accept the peanuts, the post office must contend with it. Which means the white house has to deal with it anyway.

2) Make the package half a pound, no more than one pound. We want lots of packages, not one big one!

3) Write in big letters 'END MJ PROHIBITION!' on the package.

4) Use ONLY the US postal service. Bringing the postal system to a grinding halt will help make the point! No point punishing UPS and the like.

5) Spread this around! Get everyone involved!

6) Ignore any protests of how terrorists can make use of it. Politicians have been ignoring us without concern for our safety. If they force us to live in fear, them let them join us at the table and share in the meal they prepared!

HU210

Apr 3 2008, 6:42 am

Worth reading.

www.lewrockwell.com/orig8/preston9.html

Ezra Banks

Apr 3 2008, 5:55 am

ever wonder why the animals is real quite when the hunters is about ? Cause the ones what makes noise is the ones what gets shot .

Slater

Apr 3 2008, 12:17 am

To Shytti:
Amen.

shytti

Apr 2 2008, 11:09 pm

jeez man that is really shytti. figures tho with a hillbilly state like that. the west is the best man weed is practicly legal in this part of the country and is a lot more accepted than back east....its sad to see that coast suffer from such inhumane practices.

Suggs4Drugs

Apr 2 2008, 10:48 pm

I run a email thats devoted to answering growing questions. So realy, im not concerned.
Obama is a good candidate.
He may not legalize, but I think he will make life easier for black people. And im sick of Black people being mistreated in court.
Ron Paul want to bring ALL of our troops home, that includes all those troops in countries youve never heard of, and I dont agree with that. So yeah, He would legalize, but theres alot of shit that I think he would fuck up. Not to mention im sick and tired of Rich Old White guys running our government.

Vote 4 Obama

Apr 2 2008, 10:18 pm

Decriminalization is good enough you don't deserve the right as an american to smoke marijuana legally, Ron Paul is too extreme, and gives people too much freedom. Cmon Hightimes back me up.

hey ron paul!!!!!!!!!!!!

Apr 2 2008, 10:11 pm

can you read?

kinder to ron paul

Apr 2 2008, 10:07 pm

I've got a good mind to join a club and beat you over the head with it.
Ain't no way!!!!!!!!

HT Admin

Apr 2 2008, 9:56 pm

You are 100% wrong.
The entire staff wants marijuana legal.

We sold multiple ad placements to Ron Paul in our magazine - ran multiple features on him to.

Please don't blame us for Ron Paul not getting elected - he never really had a chance to begin with. Let's be realistic and reasonable here.

HT supports who ever the Democratic candidate turns out to be - because the worst thing that could happen to this country is a continuation of the current regime.

tittytwister

Apr 2 2008, 9:54 pm

Do you people have any fucking idea how many titties i had to twist to get the title of titty twister? A lot......

Vote 4 Ron Paul

Apr 2 2008, 9:50 pm

Hightimes doesn't give a fuck about tha legalization of marijuana, thats why they agree with Obama. Notice how when we had a candidate that was willing to legalize drugs, Hightimes came out with only 2 articles on him. They had the opportunity to tell everyone who read this magazine or goes on there site, but nope. We still have the chance Mccain might drop out so Ron Paul can win by default!

Cheech

Apr 2 2008, 9:31 pm

Please don't brag about growing weed on the internet. IP addresses are saved everywhere your internet stream passes. It can be logged, printed and investigated. I would suggest that anyone who grows, either write to HT and use a fake return address or write to HT when you're on vacation far from where you live. Again if you want this plant to be legal you have to be smart about this. Screaming and yelling and name-calling each person who doesn't agree won't get you very far. I know people in congress. It's amazing how many levels of people are actually in charge of the decisions. You think it's the guy in the tie on capitol hill. Not a fucking chance. It's most likely a man in his jeans picking up fruit for his family either in Jersey, Delaware, New York or Texas. So I'm giving you good sound advice here. The folks in charge don't like the fact that 1. Everyone knows "smoking" anything is bad for you no matter how you slice it. 2. When you hear that we aren't sure about the medical facts most supporters of the marijuana movement react very rudely, erratically and tend to be more interested in insulting anyone who doesn't agree with weed legalization. So if your boss says to you "I'm not sure about this idea." Do you scream at your boss and call him names, tell him he's full of shit? No. You talk to him and ask him what he thinks is wrong. How can I make it better? What proof do I need? Now a lot of you don't feel you need to answer to authority. This is a very good trait to have. It's good to question authority and not give in to everything that you're told. However weed is illegal. So stoners are in no position to act like they're the ones in charge, which is exactly what happens. You attack the government as if weed was legal yesterday and they all-of-the-sudden made it illegal. Don't attack people, work with them. And if you do it could happen.
I know cause I'm one of those guys in the tie...
~Chrech

Suggs4Drugs

Apr 2 2008, 9:27 pm

Okla420, was that directed towards me? I have no fear of getting caught.
And for LovesToSmoke: You dont have to worry about me crying out to your lord, seeing how NOTHING IS GOING TO HAPPEN. We are just genetic material that rose out of the ocean and evolved thouseands of years ago. Its nature. And its not that I dont beleive in God, because hey, something had to put the universe here. I just dont think he watches over us and makes little "Miracles" happen.
He didnt send a sun, or anyone else for that matter.
People like alot for their own gain, thats exactly what Religion is, a bunch of people lying for their own gain. Its just that its been thousands of years, so people just forgot about how its all a lie.

okla420

Apr 2 2008, 8:38 pm

You don't grow pot or otherwise you would'nt be bragging about it on the internet.

LovesToSmoke

Apr 2 2008, 8:38 pm

Lest you thought I blew you all off, I continue below.

LovesToSmoke

Apr 2 2008, 8:37 pm

You vain imbeciles who mock our Lord’s name have no idea what it is that you do. You look in the world and see so much evil being done in His name and you lay blame for everything at His feet. That His enemies would do evil things in His name to tarnish His name and deceive those He loves seems to never even occur to you!?! Why is it so surprising? Do you understand who this “Man” is? There is a reason God sent His Son as a man; we have been so thoroughly deceived by the ones we trusted to lead us that God needed to prove a sinless was possible and to kick the collective butts of the fallen as one of those they so detested! What he did was let them pound them as much as they desired! He took it all and when they finished with Him, when they gave all they could possibly give, He showed up at the gates of hell, kicked them in, bitch-slapped lucifer, snapped back luci’s keys and took His souls and marched right the heck back out!!! This is the awesome majesty that is our Lord Jesus!!
This is all real, there really was a war in heaven, there is a lucifer and those who fell with it, and these idiots who lead us, yes ALL of them, want to kill our God and resurrect these fallen to rule with them over us. 2012 is the start of the next age, this planet will shake at its foundations, the poles will reverse, and the electro magnetic and static surges will fry everything technological. The betrayal spoken of in our Bible will coincide with this catastrophe; our Bible puts the administration of the ‘mark’ 3.5 years before that, that’s next winter folks. And it really is happening!
A beast is a government, not a man. It is a government that is going to force you to swear allegiance and take its mark, this government is islam!! Is it such a surprise, after watching them march across our country in full regalia

LovesToSmoke

Apr 2 2008, 8:37 pm

, under full constitutional protection, that they will now demand that you bow before allah? BTW, allah IS lucifer!! Yes, for real! You will NOT have the strength of your own to resist that mark, without Jesus your eternity will be the hell that you helped them build! Our government WILL betray us to islam!
You mock the ONLY name by which you may be saved! Look at what we let them do to our world, how long do you possibly think we could sustain this? They did this so they would have enough manpower to excavate as much from the ground, to forge as many tools, make practical as much science as they can and build THEIR cities underground. All that is left is to harvest our DNA. Yes, our DNA. Is it any surprise to find out that genetics is the ‘fruit of the tree of life’, a tree being a metaphor, fruit being the understanding of. You listened as fools made a mockery of Christianity, and you never even questioned it, you brought it hook, line and sinker! Why then should He hear your cries when, as it starts happening, you call His name? He said it would be like a flash of lightening across the sky, you wouldn’t even notice it against the backdrop of the horror exploding around you. You would just suffer the assault that those we trusted unleashed upon you, nowhere to run to, nowhere to hide, our planet turned irrevocably into a nuclear nightmare with no escape possible.
Go ahead laugh. Enjoy your last year. Don’t believe a word I say. All those crackpots in the past, I’m just like them. No way could it be that they were all put there just so that you would not believe this. That would be like actually finding the monkey that randomly typed the entire encyclopedia perfectly. You people have no idea what we have let them do and build on the backs of our labor. We are without a doubt the most shameful and pathetic generation that ever existed.

Suggs4Drugs

Apr 2 2008, 6:47 pm

Oh, and Cheech, I grow SOG.
Which is a bunch of small clones producing small amounts. So I need ALOT of clones to get what I would off one plant. But according to the Government, a clone is considered a plant. So even though im producing the same amount of bud as people who have 20plants, I need WAY more clones. So its not far to have to this new law.
I only sell to people who are 45 and older, other then sister, and I make very little profit, if any at all, but now I have to either shut my operation down, or risk spending the rest of my life in prison for helping old people. Now how the fuck does that seem right?

Suggs4Drugs

Apr 2 2008, 6:47 pm

Oh, and Cheech, I grow SOG.
Which is a bunch of small clones producing small amounts. So I need ALOT of clones to get what I would off one plant. But according to the Government, a clone is considered a plant. So even though im producing the same amount of bud as people who have 20plants, I need WAY more clones. So its not far to have to this new law.
I only sell to people who are 45 and older, other then sister, and I make very little profit, if any at all, but now I have to either shut my operation down, or risk spending the rest of my life in prison for helping old people. Now how the fuck does that seem right?

HU210

Apr 2 2008, 6:44 pm

Well hell. Let me just warm up a bit here.
Excerpted from DEA Administrative Law Judge Francsis L. Youngs ruling RE: Marijuana Resceduling
3.The most obvious concern when dealing with drug saftey is the possibility of lethal effects. Can the drug cause death?
4.Nearly all medications have toxic potentially lethal effects. But marijuana is not such a substance. There is no record in the extensive medical literature describing a proven, documented cannabis-induced fatality.
5.This is a remarkable statement. First, the record on marijuana encompasses nearly 5,000 years of human experience. Second, marijuana is now used daily by enormous numbers of people throught the world. Estimates suggest that from 20 million to 50 million Americans routinely, albeit illegally, smoke marijuana without the direct benifit of medical supervision. Yet despite this long history of use and the extraordinarily high numbers of social smokers, there are simply no CREDIABLE medical reports to suggest that consuming marijuana has caused a single death.- Page 56-57 Dated Sept 6 1988

I doubt that them facts has changed any-eh?, Cheech
Whatda ya got?

Suggs4Drugs

Apr 2 2008, 6:41 pm

This is awefull.
Well, I guess I wont be growing anymore.

tittytwister

Apr 2 2008, 6:36 pm

true true

tittytwister

Apr 2 2008, 6:35 pm

The best place to grow weed is an old lady's anus.

HU210

Apr 2 2008, 6:19 pm

@Cheech
Yes, you state "your opinion" never backing up "your opinion" by citing any FACTS. Leaving "your opinion", an uninformed opinion at its best.
If you want a debate about the cannabis facts. Then bring it. Also bring your cite's
I will be waiting.

HU210

Apr 2 2008, 5:40 pm

It appears that people have been telling you-Cheech- why people get killed over pot.
BECAUSE POT IS ILLEGAL!! Thats why-DOH!!

big baby jesus

Apr 2 2008, 5:30 pm

huh, i thought for sure i was insulting at a college level

Re: Cheech

Apr 2 2008, 5:22 pm

Ok, so can you ignore the one asshole here and respond to 'Remember' and 'fuck you cheech'?

They both offer up valid counterpoints to your original statement.

HU210

Apr 2 2008, 5:21 pm

Its very easy to see that this Cheech, must work as a nanny.

Cheech

Apr 2 2008, 5:17 pm

God, here we go again. Instead of debating or taking about the issue you simply hurl insults at me. This is why your movement goes nowhere. You're too interested in simply yelling at anyone who disagrees with you. Maybe instead of saying I "suck the shit put of your ass" maybe you could give me the benefits of growing for profit and having no interest in the plant itself. Tell be where guns and dogs fit in with your so-called spirituality of the cannabis plant. Tell me why people get killed over this harmless plant. And if you can't tell me, let's at least talk about it. I stated my opinion, which is what these forums are for. And all you could come up with is some offhanded comment about how I must be right-winged (judging by your Rush comment). What I see here is apparently these HT forums are only for people who agree with everything the pot movement stands for. It's not open to debate, no, that would be civilized. Yes, if you say something like "I don't think pot is good for people." Watch out, because instead of hearing something rational and wise all we can expect from this group is 2nd grade insults. You people are what stands in the way of legalization.
~Cheech

Remember

Apr 2 2008, 4:58 pm

Violence and the black market are a product of FUCKING PROHIBITION - not the plant.

End prohibition and you cut off the black market cock suckers pay check.

Look back to alcohol - when they banned alcohol crime families were born and financed. When was the last time you heard of someone getting jacked for a six pack, or shot for a whiskey deal gone bad?

big baby jesus

Apr 2 2008, 4:55 pm

cheech: you can suck the shit straight out my ass. who gives a fuck what your intolerant ass thinks? what gives? tired of posting comments on the anonymous gay sex message boards like usual? taking a break from your shift at the gloryhole? aint rush on?

Fuck you Cheech

Apr 2 2008, 4:54 pm

If you have ever bought pot from someone you should rethink what you are saying.

In order for someone to have an ounce of pot, someone down the line needs to have a pound of pot. For someone to have a pound of pot, someone down the line needs a bail of pot - and so on down the line.

Either it's all ok or it's not ok at all - it is the same harmless plant if you have one plant in a pot as if you had 30,000 plants in a field.

Fuck prohabition.

Dustin (the wind)

Apr 2 2008, 4:48 pm

Cheech,

While you seem a bit conflicted about weed (I can't tell if you're for it or against it) you have a point. Drug dealers tend to be more violent than weed growing hippie types. But where do you draw the line? What if one of your "hippie type" people was busted with more than 6-8 plants and they tortured them as you suggest? I think the law should be the law and it would be difficult, if not impossible, to judge a case based on whether or not the grower had dogs and guns or they were dressed in tie-dye. I think your argument has too many holes and variables to be taken seriously. You can't judge a book by it's cover...and if that WAS the law then all the "bad guys" would simply get hippie clothes.

Greetings from San Diego,
Dustin (the wind)

big baby jesus

Apr 2 2008, 4:47 pm

one more reason why florida is america's wang

*** MobDeepYo***

Apr 2 2008, 4:42 pm

cheech, you are such a fuckjing dickhead. you dont own the world. i make more money than you and youre jelous because you dont grow. i have dogs but thats why nobody stealed from me. get your story strait.
MobDeepYo

Cheech

Apr 2 2008, 4:37 pm

I agree with tougher penalties for growers who seek to make money off Cannabis. If you want to grow weed for yourself then that is one thing. 6-8 plants. If you do it right that's enough for 3 or more months of personal use weed. Then, if you keep the cycle going you could have enough for yourself indefinitely. It's those who grow that have no interest in weed itself, only the financial aspect that should be locked up. Most of these people, and I've met quite a few, are shady at best. A lot of them have big guns and big dogs...clothes in a bag in case they need to escape in a hurry and their friends...usually shadier. And there are those who grow for themselves...and I've met quite a few of those too. They tend to be vegetarian gardeners that are well read and highly spiritual. They enjoy life and are usually very sweet and accessible. So yes, large pot factories aimed at financial gain should be burned to the ground...their owners and operators should be beaten very badly and thrown in isolation for at least 5 years with no outside contact and just enough food and water not to actually die. They should suffer long for their greed and should be let out with nothing more than their clothing. Then and only then will one learn that fueling addiction for one's monetary gain is a disservice to humanity. I've seen too many lives ruined by the harmless "planet saving" plant to believe in this medical and spiritual bullshit you attach to this horrible drug.
~Cheech

The wizzinator

Apr 2 2008, 4:32 pm

I don't know what kind of shit TCB's smoking, because his comment is way out in the left field bleachers! Why the fuck would HT lie? Even I don't get that incredibly paranoid when I smoke!

TCB...re: Protest the...

Apr 2 2008, 3:51 pm

What have they lied about, and how are they helping the police? You can't just make a statement like that without even a single fact to back it up. Perhaps you are a narc, or work for a competing magazine. I will not consider your statement any further until you give me some verifiable facts. Otherwise, I will simply consider you a crank, trying to stir up trouble or paranoia because you have nothing better to do, or maybe it's part of your job in some way, or good for your business, whatever that is. Why don't you tell us a little about yourself and your personal motivations?Are you really protesting the police state? For all I know, you could be a MEMBER of the police state. On the other hand, you could be 7 years old. At least you didn't have any spelling errors, although 'Times' s/b capitalized, and 'Busts' should not.
If you really believed what you are suggesting, you would have put at least a LITTLE effort into it, rather than just one sentence. If you actually HAD any facts to back up your claim, surely you would have spewed them all out in your post with the righteous fervor of a true believer. But all we get is one vague sentence.
I can't wait for your response, if you have the nerve to post one. You certainly don't have anything to lose...you're credibility couldn't get much lower. Come on, bring on the facts, Einstein.

Protest the police state

Apr 2 2008, 2:41 pm

Protest High times because they are liars & involved in helping the police in Busts on marijuana users.

just legalize it

Apr 2 2008, 2:00 pm

already and there won't be anymore grow house operations because we'd be able to pick it up at stop n' go.

ALL THE DRUG RELATED VIOLENCE IS THE DIRECT FAULT OF DRUGS BEING ILLEGAL.

DRUG ADDICTION IS A MEDICAL AND PSYCHOLOGICAL PROBLEM, NOT A CRIMINAL PROBLEM. IT SHOULD BE TREATED AS SUCH.

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