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Ron Paul Blast From The Past: 1988 High Times Interview

Mon, Jan 28, 2008 2:38 pm

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Old-time libertarians will recall a lot of the names dropped in this 1988 High Times article about then Libertarian Party presidential candidate Ron Paul: Andre Marrou, Ed Clark, Dick Randolph, Murray Rothbard, John Hospers, Roger McBride, Tonie Nathan, David Bergland, Eric Garris, Paul Jacob, Tim Lewis, Norma Jean Almodovar, Mark Ford, and Ed Crane. Many of these people are still around and active today.

Considering nature of the publication, the obvious focus was on Dr. Paul’s position pertaining to the War on Drugs. I found nothing in the article which suggested anything different from the position I still maintain: As one of the nation’s most notable vocal critics of the War on Drugs, Dr. Paul has probably never used any illegal drug for either medicinal or recreational purposes. Paul used the same general arguments pertaining to the War on Drugs in 1988 that he did in a more recent article or even more recently on CNN during an interview with Wolf Blitzer.

To be clear, I’ve never seen Paul in any of those smoke-filled hospitality suites at events we’ve both attended. Coincidentally, this year’s Libertarian Party convention will be held in Denver, too—a city which has legalized marijuana since the first Libertarian National Convention held in the Mile High City.

One sentence in the article was very suitable for the Steve Kubby LP presidential campaign of this election cycle: “Libertarians go to jail before they are elected to office; Democrats and Republicans [go] to jail after they have been elected.” Kubby, a medicinal marijuana patient, was arrested, spent time in Canada as a fugitive, then came back to the United States to serve out his sentence.

It isn’t only candidates who get arrested, either. The article mentioned the arrest of Paul Jacob for refusing to register with the Selective Service System. When the FBI eventually caught Jacob, Paul testified in Jacob’s defense. Jacob has current legal problems, too. He was recently indicted while petitioning in Oklahoma under charges that he isn’t a state resident.

The article mentioned the arrest of Norma Jean Almodovar (who has a very colorful history) for solicitation. More recently, Libertarian Starchild was acquitted on similar charges.

In addition to War on Drugs issues, the article mentioned that Paul wanted to abolish multiple federal departments and agencies, opposed political special interest groups, opposed selective service and the draft, stood on his congressional record about not voting for spending bills, despised big government and “the Establishment,” championed individual liberty, wanted to eliminate the Federal Reserve, loved free markets and deplored an interventionist foreign policy. He disapproved of a certain George Bush then and disapproves of a different George Bush today.

It’s interesting to see that while the times change around us, things weren’t all that different (the Iraq War notwithstanding) within the movement then than they are today.

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here's a great link

Apr 11 2008, 5:15 pm

www.yzzerdd.com

umm

Mar 31 2008, 10:52 pm

Correction, we can depend on our love for the greenery and each other:)

HU210

Mar 29 2008, 10:30 pm

One Love,A-MEN

umm

Mar 29 2008, 4:27 pm

Well, it doesn't look too good does it. Perhaps a hermits life is what they want us all to pursue.

Oh well, we will show them all, and become more successful in all that we do, and the haters will become green with envy. They will be seething mad at us cause they will never be happy. The money mongers won't find happiness when the euro takes over. The euro won't find them happiness when the world depression hits. Or should I say if. The only sure happiness we can depend on is our love for the greenery. Can I get an AMEN!
♥

Long live the stoners!!! ♥

HU210

Mar 28 2008, 6:45 pm

oops also forgot the : after http:
Also take note of the cheap ploy that Billy Clinton is singing about his drug laws in the 3/28/08 newspapers!

HU210

Mar 28 2008, 6:40 pm

Note: there is no space in 2001 of the link

HU210

Mar 28 2008, 6:39 pm

Nearly 60 percent of those sentenced to federal prison durring the Clinton administration are serving time for drug offences.
The total number of people in federal prison on drug charges--63,448--is 62 percent more that in 1990.

http//sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2001/2/19/MN118967.DTL

umm

Mar 28 2008, 9:30 am

Yes, I'd like to know how Clinton made it worse. I dunno. I may be wrong though. I have been mistaken before, so I'm sure I must leave room for another error or two in my life.

huh?

Mar 27 2008, 11:17 pm

how was it worse?

HU210

Mar 27 2008, 10:57 pm

Did ya see what Bill Clinton did for us weed folks.
He fucked us worse than old man Bush or Regan. That is scary!!
Go ahead. Keep making the same mistake over and over.

to pretty & umm

Mar 27 2008, 3:31 pm

that is a matter of opinion and is allowed . Its called preference .

umm

Mar 27 2008, 10:19 am

Pretty makes a pretty good point

pretty,

Mar 27 2008, 12:45 am

however, one is very much worse than the other, so why be neutral? I say, Republicans are more corrupt and wrong than democrats on their worst day, so I vote democrat.

HU210

Mar 26 2008, 9:19 pm

We meet in the midst of a nation brought to the verge of moral, political,and material ruin.
Corruption dominates the congress, the legislature,the ballot box and touches even the ermine of the bench.
The fruits of the toil of millions is boldly stolen to build collossal fortunes for a few. And the possesors of these in turn, despise the republic and endanger liberty.
From the same prolfic womb of injustice,we breed the two great classes. Tramps and millionaires.
--Ignatious Donnelly,1892
Amazing how true these words are today.
And you wonder why I wont vote Dem-publican?
Because they made the mess described above! Geez

HU210

Mar 26 2008, 8:49 pm

@ what
Hell no I cant tell the difference. They are both against legalization of weed. Get it now?

I noticed

Mar 26 2008, 11:19 am

the loud mouth poster " I don't belong to an organized political party, I'm a democrat " ???.. Hasn't been back . I guess hes not COMPLETELY stupid .

Common Sense to re:

Mar 26 2008, 9:45 am

There are more of us individuals thinking for ourselves than the hives are aware of . You can't explain their flaw in logic as they treat their political preferences like a religion .
Try and explain why religion is flawed and the bible thumpers react the same way .
Most mature people have a grasp on reality that allows them to question things that are at odds with the facts .
And by facts , I mean just that . Not what was read betwween the lines or assumtions as to what the facts mean . That only gives us a glimpse into their thought processes (or lack of ) .

WOW

Mar 26 2008, 8:58 am

somebody got told .

someone was faced ..lol

Re:

Mar 26 2008, 8:55 am

nope , they ain't going to understand that either . Its that "hive " thing doing them in . Repubs AND demos .

Andew Card Quote

Mar 26 2008, 8:47 am

"I said a second plane has hit the second tower. Those were the facts , and the editiorial comment was "Amwerica under attack " .

Re: below

Mar 26 2008, 8:39 am

"a quote from the guy who whispered into bushs earduring the photo op "We are under attack" ? Really ?

Because according to Andrew Card (the guy you claim to quote ) all he said was " a second plane has hit the towers " ...and preparations began at that point to get Bush in the air . Took a few minutes but they got it done .

ps Andrew Card is aware of what you and calls it media hype . Now , who knows what was said ... you or Andrew Card ?
Your definition of "ripped apart " must be flawed . Look it up

and also

Mar 26 2008, 6:24 am

you're the one who needs the "it" gotten, is that the best you can do? coming back here to say that? after I totally smashed your friend's bullshit spin to pieces with simple facts? your type has never let the truth stop you before, c'mon, spin some more shit for me to rip apart just like you guys try to rip apart the truth wherever you find it...

whats "it"?

Mar 26 2008, 6:13 am

your bullshit? don't need it, theres plenty everywhere.

Re:

Mar 26 2008, 5:40 am

Told you they won't get it .

wow

Mar 24 2008, 6:17 pm

Someone got told.

Someone was faced lol

to dumbass backwards guy

Mar 24 2008, 5:24 pm

you say, "you can not understand reality outside yor political party/hive ." talking from personal experience? plus I don't belong to an organized political party, I'm a democrat. and as for your claim that we didnt know it was an attack in progress, I have three little words, a quote from the guy who wispered into bush's ear during the photo op, "We're Under Attack!"... stop drinking the koolaid.

Re: the poster under me

Mar 24 2008, 8:37 am

They ain't going to get it Dude .

AND

Mar 24 2008, 5:57 am

I forgot to mention , Bush was on the way out until people like you decided to "help" your hive . Rational thinking adults know childish bullshit when the hear it and voted for him again . Thanks for helping .

to:actually AND lets see

Mar 24 2008, 5:52 am

I'll only try to explain this to you once , certain that you can not understand reality outside yor political party/hive .
I heard a lot of the same tripe when everyone was bashing Clinton during his troubles and some of us didn't join in .

Woulda Shoulds Coulda : making statements AFTER the fact . Thats easy as hell and childish .
EXAMPLE : Why would Hilary marry Bill if he was going to lie to congress ?
ANSWER : How is Hilary supposed to know in advance ?... (now the Repubs are going to samrt off at me )
I woulda ..he shoulda ..they coulda .. means nothing when you know the outcome after the fact . Getting though ?.. doubtful.

One example of many :"continue a pointless photo op or stop a terrorist attack in progress " .. why didn't you inform the white house that terrorist were knocking down the towers ?
Answer : because you didn't know it was a terroist attack in progress at the time .
Step out of the hive guys .

actually

Mar 24 2008, 12:22 am

the "to correction" wasn't me, ummm probably got here first, but anyway, lets start with, "I stand for unbiased factual information as opposed to retarded assumptions and political whining...", how is calling everything "woulda coulda shoulda" or "armchair quarterbacking" standing up for any facts, as opposed to just being a "retarded assumption" and "political whining"?

lets see

Mar 23 2008, 6:29 pm

Sounds like bush doctrine, or republican pothead - always protecting

lets see

Mar 23 2008, 6:29 pm

Sounds like bush doctrine, or republican pothead - always protecting

to says you

Mar 23 2008, 5:49 pm

I realize you feel you have somehow insulted someone , however , I don't stand up for Bush , I don't stand up for Clinton nor Al Gore . I stand up for umbiased factual information as opposed to retarded assumtions and political whining about shit you can't do anything about .
I don't mind of you try and insult me , you don't KNOW enough about me to make a difference .

to says you correction

Mar 23 2008, 11:14 am

Wow, you're opinion is just as enlightening as umms. Its directed at both of you . What other things can you enlighten us about ?

" overall incompetence of the bush administration " I just can't except that statement, as I have to stand up and protect bush.

"we can at least know the clintons sent the bushs memo's about dangers that turned out to be 911" .. that turned out to be 911 ? Again, I just can't except that statement, as I have to stand up and protect bush. .. its isn't easy, but thats my job do that after the real facts.

"And than MAYBE " I'll stop right there with this one ..Again, I stand shoulder to shoulder with my great leader.

"continue a pointless photo op or stop a terrorist attack in progress" .. bush didn't know it was a terrorist attack. Leave my friend alone...

"personally I WOULD have " I'll stop there again , leave my pal alone.

"he let it bring this country to its knees " Our booming economy proves you wrong.

"bill COULD have handled the whole thing better , or SHOULD I say ,al gore COULD have " bush has handled the situation better than a peace loving hippy. sometimes war is what is needed. war until everyone thinks just like us.
So you see , nobody really KNOWS the outcome to be any different had Bush not been the whitehouse . Political posturing doesn't bring answers to the question either . Leave my president alone!

to says you

Mar 23 2008, 8:26 am

nobody claimed you were umm , its directed at both of you . What else are you mistaken about ?

" overall incompetence of the bush administration " thats an opinion based on armchair quaterbacking and a bad case of woulda shoulda coulda .

"we can at least know the clintons sent the bushs memo's about dangers that turned out to be 911" .. that turned out to be 911 ? this is still in the woulda shoulda coulda pile .. its easy to do that after the fact.

"And than MAYBE " I'll stop right there with this one ..just more woulda shoulda coulda .

"continue a pointless photo op or stop a terrorist attack in progress" .. nobody knew it was a terrorist attack at the time . More shoulds coulda woulda ..

"personally I WOULD have " I'll stop there again , more woulda shoulda coulda

"he let it bring this country to its knees " thats an opinion and is allowed

"bill COULD have handled the whole thing better , or SHOULD I say ,al gore COULD have " woulda shoulda coulda ..and Clinton and al gore wasn't in a position to do anything .

So you see , nobody really KNOWS the outcome to be any different had Bush not been the whitehouse . Political posturing doesn't bring answers to the question either .

says you buddy...

Mar 22 2008, 6:23 pm

You're the one assuming from the looks of it. for one thing, I'm not umm, he or she is one below me, two, I happen to know plenty about whats going on, and everything i said is based on real information, unlike alot of things others are saying. If you dissagre with me I'd love to hear why, but simply saying "you don't know what your talking about" isn't a solid arguement. Lets try to stick to the facts.

Buzz Ard

Mar 22 2008, 5:05 pm

to :Umm ans "to taken back :

Umm , you repeat what you hear very well , however , there are things involved in makeing those determinations that you jusy don't know anything about .

"to taken Back ": you assume quite a lot about something you know very little about .

to "taken back"

Mar 22 2008, 3:29 pm

Seriously, listen to me for a second, this may hurt but listen, 9/11 Did Not "Change everything!" ... and really, it didn't really hurt us that much, exept for the fact that it was abused to send us into an endless, aimless, pointless war. Not to mention that the reason, or one of the reasons 9/11 happened was because of the overall incompetence of the Bush administration. as for your hypothetical about if bill was president on 9/11, we can at least know that the clintons sent the bushs memo's about dangers that turned out to be 9/11, and that maybe clinton would have actually done his job instead of reading a childrens book during the attack, gee, continue a pointless photo op or stop a terrorist attack in progress... tough choice? NOO! Get to work dummy! Say, "excuse me kids, I need to make a phonecall" and do something, personally I would have F16's and helicopters in the air, ready to Redirect or shoot down the plane if needed, but nooooo, W. couldn't put his thinking cap on in time to do shit. Even if clinton was Baked off of pot brownies and getting a BJ he'd figure that one out.
Also, how is an answer, "we dont know", you don't know maybe, But why would it be the same? you think bill would be as big a crybaby about it as bush was? and before i get attacked for that what i mean is, he had a choice, to be strong and tell us that it's ok, they broke some things, but they wont break our spirits or something, Instead, he chose to act like it was the apocalypse and that "oceans can't protect us" as if that was our major defence, the ocean, he was clearly trying to fuel the fear fire and use that fear to further their own interests. He let it bring this country "to it's knees." They continue to do so today. I'll say this once more, just to be clear, 9/11 doesn't make George a better president, and it's not out of the question to say yes, bill could have handled the whole thing better, or should i say, al gore could have.

umm

Mar 22 2008, 9:54 am

Well, anyone with a brain would go to afganistan, with a small police force. Not iraq, and pick fights and bully iran.

My 7 cents:)

psychoalphadiscobetabioaquadooloops

Point taken back

Mar 22 2008, 8:24 am

Clinton didn't have the 911 thingy , which brought this country to its knees . What would Clinton have done , how would the country be different if he had still been President ? The answer is a resounding : we don't KNOW that anything would be any different today .
Opinions to the contrary are just that . Opinions .
And NO , I'm not badmouthing any Demo's and I ain't hyping and Repub's .
Cause and Effect ...look it up .

umm

Mar 21 2008, 7:41 pm

Point taken

I can tell

Mar 21 2008, 5:31 pm

I can tell the difference between Bill Clinton's presidency and George W. Bush's reign of terror. Oh ye of little faith, I can understand having doubt in what republicans say, after all, they are dirty dirty liars. But if you say that both parties are equally full of shit, that's just not true, oversimplified and ignorant of many key differences between the two parties, plus it means that you believe republican spin they generated to cover for their own corruption, for example, look at alberto gonzales and the kind of corruption he was involved in, or the fact that the "justice department" under republican control abused its power to Only investigate democrats, specifically looking for dirt for political pourposes, particularly for the arguement you bring, that "they are as corrupt as we are, so leave us alone!" which is, as they say, total bullcrap.

hey what

Mar 21 2008, 6:24 am

you can't tell the difference from the two AFTER the election . You believe to much campagning bullshit

what?

Mar 21 2008, 12:29 am

to HU, how is voting for dems voting for the same shit? we have had a republican controlled house, senate and presidency, I dont see how voting for hillary or barack is the same as voting for republicans... Can't you tell the difference between the two?

umm

Mar 20 2008, 7:37 pm

But if the voting is all planned ahead of time, then really; whats the difference.

Bildaburgers? However you spell the name. Don't they really decide?

I dunno. Maybe I'm just to distrustfull of a criminal government, but thats how I feel.

umm

Mar 20 2008, 7:35 pm

hu210 makes a good point.

HU210

Mar 20 2008, 5:37 pm

@ uh,flawed logic
All those words to say nothing. You must work for Obama.
To vote for either pile of the same shit is insanity.
That is to do the same thing over and over-i.e. voting for Dem-publicans-,and expecting a different result.
Crazy, totally crazy

umm

Mar 19 2008, 10:19 am

I like a good ribeye xtra well done to the point where it is slightly crispy on the outside...mmm.

Cool

Mar 19 2008, 7:44 am

nobody like burned steak anyways .

Warlock

Mar 18 2008, 11:49 am

Good afternoon. My name is Maurice. I was born in England long ago. I have avoided being burned at the haters stake many times.

to below

Mar 18 2008, 6:42 am

"if you don't agree that cannabis laws need to change ,then what the hell are you doing at hightimes .com ? "

Sorry , I didn't get the memo that stated I must agree with your cause in order to visit the site .
It's none of your business but I'll answer anyway ;
Hightimes .com ...a weed site
Myself .. a weed smoker
Really not all that hard to comprehend .

to minus a brain

Mar 17 2008, 5:11 pm

blaming the witch for being burned as a witch? I think your abusing the word "choice". if the entire internet was completely monitored and all porn was illegal, would you blame the people who get caught with porno, saying it was their choice too? Its a bad law, it happens, after all they were written by humans, and the prohibition against cannabis is a bad law. in "plus" i gave a different example of a bad law that needs to be changed. if you don't agree that cannabis laws need to change, then what the hell are you doing at hightimes.com?

to below

Mar 17 2008, 3:02 pm

I doubt you can help yourself .

umm

Mar 17 2008, 12:06 pm

Some people need to not be so ignorant.

anonymous

Mar 17 2008, 12:05 pm

Fact

umm

Mar 17 2008, 12:04 pm

Some people do NOT have a choice!

minus

Mar 17 2008, 5:19 am

"Some people have no choice "
Thats an opinion not a fact .
You use the medical thing like the government uses the "child safety " thing .

"oral sex is illegal , does that mean I should choose not to have it ? " That , just like smoking weed , is your CHOICE .

Quit being such a drama queen .

Plus...

Mar 17 2008, 4:29 am

Technically in massachusetts oral sex is illegal, does that mean i should "choose" not to have it, because of a stupid outdated flawed law? or should i choose to fight for that law to be changed, based on the fact that its a completely rediculus law that does more harm than good when enforced? meanwhile participating in some "civil disobediance"...

umm

Mar 16 2008, 2:34 pm

To poster below...
Some people have no "choice", as the healing powers of Cannabis is the only thing that keeps them alive and not in pain, and allows them to eat.

to below

Mar 16 2008, 6:41 am

then , don't do anthing that will land you there .

C H O I C E . Nobody is twisting your arm .

Thats some big ol'

Mar 15 2008, 5:42 pm

BULLSHIT! Everyone wants to avoid prison rape.

A lot of us

Mar 15 2008, 3:44 pm

couldn't care less on the subject of legalization .

TCB

Mar 15 2008, 3:33 pm

If you are waiting for the perfect candidate, you will never vote. I recommend voting across the board for the Democratic party, then get in the habit of contacting your representatives all the way up to Congress, Senate, VP and President. E-mail, snail mail, telephone, or all of the above, whatever you prefer. Tell them what you want as often as you can. Tell them what issues are important to you, and what you think should be done to remedy the problems. BE POLITE. Don't use nasty language. State your case clearly and concisely. The more constituents contact them, the more they will feel empowered to fight for any given issue. For example, if every cannabis user contacted their representatives today and advocated legalization, cannabis would be legal within a few weeks or months. This is an extreme example, of course, but it illustrates how the process works. Contacting your representatives REGULARLY is just as important as voting, in some ways even more important. Keep their feet to the fire. Democracy is a never ending struggle. If you stop fighting for it, it will atrophy and die, and fascism will feed and grow on the rotting corpse (if you'll forgive the disgusting imagery). Once it's gone, it's really hard to get it back. Voting and contacting your representatives regularly is a whole lot easier than trying to stage a revolutionary uprising of citizens against an entrenched and well armed government dictatorship.

short version

Mar 15 2008, 8:49 am

not voting only helps the bad guys, increasing their lead by one. don't hold back your vote just to look cool, or waiting for a perfect knight in shining armor, even the lesser of two evils is still less evil!

uh, flawed logic,

Mar 15 2008, 8:44 am

voting isnt a wish, if you vote for stephen colbert in every election just because he's ideal to you, you are literally taking one away from the only real opposition to the Republican empire. Have you been watching the last few elections? its very clear that its a two party conflict, R vs D and you need to choose sides, voting for the dream team with no hope just to prove a point to people who arent listening isn't going to change SHIT, the republicans have countless hypnotized families all voting republican without thinking, it is the responsibility of people who can think clearly to use their heads and vote for whats right, or against whats wrong, but most importantly, to just vote, thats how democracy works, good ideas vs bad ideas, the people think for themselves and then vote, hoping most people would get it right, but alot of them dont, alot of them never watch the news or read a paper, they dont know D's from R's, but they vote, usually suckered by R's, do you want them to count more than you? republicans have been doing alot of wrong, and the D's have the plans to do things right, I vote D, for make a difference. plus the idea of only voting to change a pie chart that noone looks at into 3 colors seems pointless, and would be making much less of a difference.

HU210

Mar 15 2008, 7:58 am

First all 3rd parties garnered more than 537 votes that beat Gore in Florida.
Second, you assume that those who voted for Nader and others would have voted at all. Let alone for Gore in 2000. A real reach, if you ask me.
If the main parties want my vote- or other 3rd party votes. Then they will have to adopt a pro-legalization position. As well as other 3rd party positions.
3rd parties are the incubator that brings new and fresh ideas into the political spectrum.
The more people that vote 3rd party. The faster the new ideas become popular and are stolen by the mainstream Republicrats.
Dont be fooled again indeed!

hmm

Mar 14 2008, 5:47 pm

Righty makes a good point...

righty

Mar 14 2008, 4:53 pm

and why waste a vote on nader that could be used against the republican war machine? if half are on the right and half are on the left, and a third of the left go with a write in, who wins? the right. its the same trick they played in 2000, and I, for one, am not going to fall for it. are you?

HU210

Mar 14 2008, 1:30 pm

Then Nader it is.
Why be a follower and vote for the corperate whores?

re: to umm

Mar 13 2008, 8:16 pm

lol
ok
:)

to umm

Mar 13 2008, 6:10 pm

yes

I doubt you will see anything .

umm

Mar 13 2008, 12:29 pm

Is it?

We shall see.

to umm

Mar 13 2008, 6:12 am

Old hype . You need to change radio stations . People have been talking that shit for years . Its just doom and gloom bullshit .

umm

Mar 12 2008, 3:28 pm

Well, perhaps its best. After all. I heard on the radio last night that a major depression is to happen sometime later this year, that the hundreds of billions the fed reserve has printed up to boost the economy isn't backed up with gold or anything, and isn't expected do do anything but inflated the alreday inflated dolar, and I wouldn't want Ron Paul to be blamed for the actions of the incompetant.
p.s.
If you can, get off the grid now while you can, cause if the prediction is true...it would be handy to be totally self sufficent.

to umm

Mar 9 2008, 7:48 am

Can't even twist shit around anymore ... kinda sad .
Oh well , doesn't appear to be a problem anymore . Don't cut your wrists or anything . Nader doesn't have a chance in hell either , why don't you jump on that band wagon ?

Big IF

Mar 8 2008, 6:44 pm

and, but John Mccain Is the republican nominee, and ron says he aint changing parties, so what does that equal? Ill tell ya, it means he isnt in the race, because the race is over, the question now is, Hillary or Barak?

umm

Mar 8 2008, 2:44 pm

I don't deny the freedom that The Honerable Mr. Paul would bring us all, if he re-instated the constitution with no exceptions.

But the caucuses, and such tada-dada...

random observer

Mar 7 2008, 1:11 am

to umm, Denial much? LOL

umm

Mar 6 2008, 9:03 pm

The poster below; calling names indiscriminatly do to maybe being a pig? or what?

to umm

Mar 6 2008, 5:22 pm

because hes a fuckin nut job ..
Don't you pay attention . How many time must you be educated ?

umm

Mar 6 2008, 4:06 pm

Why can't Ron Paul win?

Just because the man says they're voting for others doesn't mean the people have to.

TCB...re:state of affairs

Feb 29 2008, 10:32 pm

You should stop listening to Rush Limbaugh immediately. He is warping your mind.

kansas city u bitch

Feb 29 2008, 8:30 pm

i heard state of affairs likes ding dongs u bitch

to state

Feb 28 2008, 4:44 pm

you are wrong on so many levels.

to below

Feb 28 2008, 4:43 am

interesting opinion .

state of affairs

Feb 27 2008, 4:28 pm

It appears that in November voters will “choose” as President either a man named Hussein, who was raised as a Muslim, belongs to a virulently racist church loyal to Africa, and works with violent Communists there to impose Islamic law, or a Stalinist Womanoid who along with her husband should long since have been in prison for several lifetimes and whose election would mean an epidemic of rampaging bull dykes, not to mention the usual intern knee prints on the Oval Office carpet.

Or, the voters will choose a deranged crank who has done everything he could to betray his fellow POWs, a man whom Soviet brainwashers in Viet Nam may well have turned into one of theirs, a McChurian Candidate, a Republicrud whose record places him on the Far Left end of the Democrud Party, who says he has no qualms about keeping us in Iraq for another century.

Whichever one of these three voters “choose” will enormously increase already powerful Communist hegemony over America.

correction

Feb 9 2008, 12:58 pm

that should have been
re: well

well

Feb 9 2008, 11:21 am

I agree that inocent folks being locked up and raped is terrible; I'm just saying that you if you use words like"overthrow" and fight, that the haters will use those words for their fuel to shut down this free speech forum.

to re:to well

Feb 8 2008, 3:50 pm

You're not helping anyone.

Re: to well

Feb 8 2008, 5:01 am

You're a drama queen .

well,

Feb 7 2008, 5:39 pm

you'd be letting this horrible injustice go unchallenged if you and me dont stand up and fight it, if we know its wrong, and something should be done to end the suffering, and we do NOTHING, we might as well be walking away from a fire and not report it, or worse, letting innocent people be raped everyday in prison simply for owning some weed in a crazed world where Cannabis is illegal, you hear their screams and do nothing to help, you could stand up with us and help spread the truth about cannabis to the people in power and the voters and everyday folk who have been poisoned with lies for years, you could help, but you want to move away, might as well, you dont want to watch someone get shanked in the neck and left for dead beacuse he might identify his attacker, naw, you want to look away, and do nothing. you want the liars to win. sorry if it sounds like im mad at you, im mad at the situation, so much wrong happening and so few who will stand against it, it's a shame really, depressing, so very few with the will to defend something so great. it's so sad...

well

Feb 7 2008, 11:20 am

Fighting isn't my bag. Physical violence is a buzz kill, or more acurately; violence kills our spirits. I'd rather just move away from the prohibitionists.

Fight the power!

Feb 2 2008, 6:18 pm

Fight the powers that be!

If all else fails...

Feb 2 2008, 6:17 pm

we can just overthrow our gov't, and remake it as we see fit.

paulsupporter420

Feb 2 2008, 3:42 pm

Ron Paul is the best hope for America, he is the only presidential candidate that truly means what he says. They called him Dr. No in congress because he always voted against anything he viewed as unconstitutional, which is pretty much any bill these days.

Vote 4 Ron Paul

Jan 31 2008, 9:53 am

Vote 4 Ron Paul, just say no to government !!!

nator !

Jan 31 2008, 8:00 am

vote for ralph nator those democrats and replicans are the same you want independent !!!!!! free america just sa no to replicans !!!

hilljack

Jan 30 2008, 11:54 pm

i myself am voting for hillary cause she is one sexxy beast

thats sarcasm by the way

Vote 4 Ron Paul

Jan 30 2008, 11:09 pm

Ron Paul will also be assinated if elected by the illuminati. just like how JFK was killed shot in the face by his driver. But that will only bring up his messege more.

TCB...re: KWANEREBEL

Jan 30 2008, 10:21 pm

Good job. Thanks.

I suggest that everyone tries YouTubing "Dennis Kucinich talks about drug policy" and "Dennis Kucinich-medical marijuana-10 questions" Yes, I know he's not running anymore. The ideas are the important thing.

TCB...re: crib

Jan 30 2008, 10:07 pm

I must sincerely thank you for your post, and, of course, the apology was definitely appreciated, unexpected, and accepted. I've lately noticed a brief twinge of dread in my stomach when I go to these posts, but only for about one second, because I love doing this...so when I saw your handle on the new post I thought, well, here we go again. I was really expecting another negative reaction like BBJ's latest, but I was very pleasantly surprised and impressed. Plus, I pretty much agree with everything you said...and the last line was hilarious!
I've been aware of Ron since he ran for Prez (Libertarian Party) in 1988(?), and I always liked the guy as a person, and for a few years I tuned in to the Libertarian Party because I liked Ron's take on some of the issues, and I still do, but I eventually came to disagree with too many key elements of their platform. I understand that people are passionate about their candidates (as they should be) and they might think I'm attacking Ron as a person, but I never had a reason to challenge his character. For me, it's about the issues, and my natural fear and distrust of the Republican party, not Ron. Also, I was never angry at you or any other poster. If I was angry the whole time I was writing this stuff, I couldn't do it...too much negative effort. A little sarcasm might slip in here and there, but for the most part, I'm just trying to clarify where I'm coming from.
You mentioned Ron sticking to his guns for 20 years, and I agree, but have you checked out Dennis Kucinich? There are a lot of YouTube speeches where he goes through his positions on one issue after another. I know he's not running anymore, but people often compare him and Ron as far as their personal character, and they both want legal MJ. And I believe they both have those rare political traits that you and I both want; HONESTY, SINCERITY AND INTEGRITY.
I'm out of space. Talk to you later, crib, and thanks again for the reply.

KWANEREBEL

Jan 30 2008, 7:49 pm

First of all we need to respect everyone's opinions! I dont know if you know eachother and do this all the time... but when TCB says he does'nt like RP why cant we just discuss our differences instead of slander eacthother!

Anyway I dont trust any politician especially a Republican... at least DEMS say that there for the people and act like there for the common good Republicans are just outright/outspoken for the established/privledged...theyremind me of old men back in the fiftys...just real stiff, patriotic and PLAIN!

So I must admit I didnt read RP's life story but come on guys just cuz he's down to legalize weed you want to make him president?...He's against seperation of church and state and is pro-life ...another (words he's a religious nut)he's against universal health care....thats all I need to know.....on the other hand he has some good qaulities like: being against the war, against nafta, he's for the right privacy.....

But do any of you actually think he's gonna solve our big problems and issues here...I bet you none of them can even if they sincerly wanted to....

FUCK THE SYSTEM!!!!!!!

Jan 30 2008, 3:16 pm

"Vote for Ron Paul " ??

Why beat a dead horse ?

Vote 4 Ron Paul

Jan 30 2008, 12:55 pm

When did i say that the clintons are the Bush's? But they do have simularity's like they are both in the illuminati. They both had plans for 9/11 before it happend like the Patriot Act, plans to attack Iraq. If you don't believe me look it up.

somenamewhocares

Jan 30 2008, 9:41 am

just curious, why do people (mr.vote 4...) act like the clintons are the Bush's? Rhetorical question.

crib.....TCB

Jan 30 2008, 9:02 am

Ill be honest, I did not read your entire post and I owe you an apology. I picked out a few words and came up with my own conclusion.

What I saw was that the constitution is already practically dead and that was enough for me. I agree most politicians are pro-constitution, but not many will fight the way Ron Paul has for 20 something years. He has stuck to his guns and no other politician, that I am aware of, has done the same.

Politicians do whatever they need to do to get into office and by then are controlled by other politicians, in return having absolutely no power.

Lets be honest, Ron Paul doesn't have a chance, just listening to him and watching him I see how dedicated he is. He will fight for what he thinks is right, regardless of what others say about him. I HATE politics they make me sick, Ron Paul has given me hope that there is an actual politician left in this world to fight for the people.

All in all what I am trying to say is, do you really think that the people you vote for are trying to better our lives??? Hell no, they are going to do what will make their lives better as well as the big corporations. The government is slowly, but surely, controlling us one step at a time. They will one day have surveillance outside of every home and I personally will not accept that.

We all have our views and we shouldn't be arguing, we are all here for the same reason, marijuana legalization. Fighting like this is going to get us nowhere, put this anger towards something useful such as your states leaders or better yet the federal government.

We all need to continue the fight, but this is doing absolutely nothing. I stepped out of line and I apologize, I just chose a word here and there, along with others replying to your post so harshly I took part in it, so sorry.

SO EVERYONE JUST CALM THE FUCK DOWN! J/K. Peace, LEGALIZE IT!

Vote 4 Ron Paul

Jan 30 2008, 8:29 am

Infact you shouldn't even listen to me, because you have eyes and you have a brain. You should be able to formulate your own opinion on things. Do not listen to Media, or anything run by the the government. Do your own research. Go research things like the Illuminati, North American Union, V-chips, New World Order and you will see why Ron Paul is truelly our last chance.

Vote 4 Ron Paul

Jan 30 2008, 8:25 am

If you don't have a brain of your own you probobly read TCB's comment and actually believed. In actuality Ron Paul is the last chance of America. B/c if he doesn't win Hillary will, and she will get 2 terms, and then Chelsea will be up next. By that time the Illuminati will be in full swing. And America will no more, we will be called the the North American Union.

TCB...re: hmmm

Jan 29 2008, 7:16 pm

Obviously, you have a short attention span. You only wrote three sentences, so here are my comments, one sentence at a time:

1. "Well fucking name someone else that will free us all."
You want me to name someone that will "free us all?". Is that how you think the political process works? You think we'll elect ONE guy and our troubles will be magically over? How truly Americana! Take one magic pill and you'll have no more problems!
Read the 'hilljack' comments about 3 posts below yours (assuming you can get through it without falling asleep). He pretty much hit the bullseye. The bottom line is, ONE person isn't going to "Free us all". You don't just vote every 4 years and hope it's the "right guy". You have to contact your representatives (right up to the President) as often as possible and tell them what YOU want them to do. They are our SERVANTS, not our MASTERS. That means that YOU, hmmm, are just ONE of the MILLIONS of Americans that MIGHT come somewhere near your goal of "Freeing us all".

2. "You can't, or maybe you did?"
No, I can't, as indicated above. NO individual can, because that's not how the system works. Personally, if I had a REAL choice of candidates, instead of just the ones the Corporate Media will allow us to see and hear, I'd vote for Kucinich. He loves the Constitution as much as Ron Paul, but from my point of view, NEITHER of them is capable of giving you the Utopia you desire.

3. "I just couldn't keep reading your post as I dozed off."
Yet another sign of your short attention span. Plus, you dozed off. Does that mean you have narcolepsy as well? Sorry, hmmm, it's not MY fault if your brain can't process more than three sentences worth of information at a time before it shuts down. Maybe you should see a doctor. Some day you might be able to read for more than 1 minute before lapsing into unconsciousness.

TCB...re: crib

Jan 29 2008, 6:09 pm

Your reply contains insults, extremely vague political platitudes, and a complete misunderstanding of my point.
So I'll take it one point at a time:
1. I am NOT an idiot, but thanks anyway.
2. I KNOW Ron Paul is pro constitution, but most politicians ARE. The problem is in how each politician interprets it, and the subsequent policies they develop to fit the interpretation.
3. I love my rights. That's why I'm concerned with Ron's limited gov't scenario. Do you NOT want gov't safety standards on the kinds of products and foods you use every day? Or would you rather trust a Corporation to inspect their own products as they see fit? I don't want them cutting corners at the expence of MY health and well being just so they can make even more obscene profits. But Ron's answer in the past has been, "If the Corporation injures you in some way, take it to court." Easier said than done when going up against some huge Corporation and their staff of high paid superlawyers. I don't want to spend the rest of my life in court chasing them with endless lawsuits over food poisoning, or injuries caused by unsafe products.
4. How did you manage to misinterpret what I said about Marijuana? Read my first post ALL the way through to the last word, then tell me how you came to your bizarre conclusions. I KNOW about all of the problems caused by MJ prohibition, that's why I've been an activist for legalization since 1992. Can you say the same?
5. I understand plenty about what's going on, maybe more than you, maybe not. That's why I came back.
6. My comments were not stupid, and I will NOT keep them to myself. Judging by your complete misunderstanding of my very obvious pro-legalization stance, you merely skimmed over my comments and screwed up the context 180 degrees. Maybe you have too much anger and hostility clouding your mind to be able to think clearly. You, BBJ, hmmm and (?) are all doing Ron Paul and his campaign a MAJOR disservice.

TCB...re: big baby jesus

Jan 29 2008, 4:35 pm

As I expected from you, BBJ, insults, profanity, and an almost complete avoidance of my question(s) to you, so I'll re-state it: If you actually had the nerve to show Ron Paul your reply, do you think he would tell you that you're the kind of person he wants to be one of his representatives, a role model to bring his ideas to the voters? Do you think he would tell you that insulting voters and cursing at them is an effective way to persuade them you're right? Or would he suggest that you get specific about issues and start speaking to people (all potential voters) in a civilized manner at all times? But no, you don't want to answer that, so you hide behind the first amendment and avoid the main parts of the question. As far as Reps=pure evil, Dems=all that is good, I never suggested that. And the reason you "wish things were actually that simple" is because you don't want to learn the vast complexities of the politics involved. Also, I am not an "idiot fear monger", I am just giving my take on our current situation. If that scares you, it should, because the whole situation is now extremely dangerous and volitile. Anyone looking at these posts will have 2nd thoughts about Ron because of people like YOU, because your attitude will scare them away, thinking, "Gee, a lot of Ron Paul supporters are abusive, insulting, evasive creeps with glass egos that attack anyone who disagrees." Ironically, I was trying to help you guys be more effective advocates for Ron. Your loss if you don't get anything positive out of it. I suggest reading it again, with less hostility. Oh, and if you don't care what I think, then why have you bothered replying at all?

P.S. I asked (?) to educate me because I suspected he didn't have anything REAL to say. I probably know more about Ron's platform than he does. Maybe (?) will answer my questions. YOU certainly didn't have the nerve to REALLY, HONESTLY answer them.

hmmm to TCB

Jan 29 2008, 4:25 pm

Well fucking name someone else that will free us all.

You can't, or maybe you did?

I just couldn't keep reading your post as I dozed off.

Re: hilljack

Jan 29 2008, 4:17 pm

Bravo ! Reality based facts !
Finally someone who knows what they're talking about . Very refreshing . Well done .

crib

Jan 29 2008, 1:00 pm

TCB you are an idiot. Ron Paul is pro constitution...But I guess you don't like your rights? This country is fucked up when we have to goto court just to argue over our constitutional rights as citizens over a law. Nobody said, "yay marijuana will be legal we can all get STONED!!!!" Marijuana being illegal causes so many problems. It doesn't cause problems in the family, until someone is arrested for smoking a joint and going to wendy's. Now when you understand more about what is going on come back to me, but until then keep your stupid comments to yourself, thanks =]

hilljack

Jan 29 2008, 12:28 pm

i keep hearing about how ron paul will legalize weed, will stop abortion, etc. etc. do any of you know how our gov't works? the president no matter who he is CAN NOT do any of these things. only the congress and the senate can make or change laws. so vote for who ever you wish but until we get a pro-pot congress and senate dont think for one minute that yor going to get legalization. to get a bill signed into law it must first go infront of the congress if it passes congress then goes to the senate ifit passes the senate then it goes in front of the president. its important to vote for president but may even be more important to vote for congress and senate. you have to vote in EVERY election even your local sherriff, concil, mayor, govenor, etc. to make any real change.

McCain

Jan 29 2008, 12:07 pm

will be 72...

If...

Jan 29 2008, 12:03 pm

Ron Paul somehow manages to win the nomination, he'll be 73 years old by the time of the national election.

Just saying.

You all should take a

Jan 29 2008, 11:24 am

much closer look at Ron Paul. The man is just another fundamentalist Xian.
The doesn't believe in evolution...and so the Xian ass licking begins! Because that's what U have to be to be president here....
Doesn't matter anyway they will just tell us who will be the next just like they've been doing with the Bush empire...regardless of votes.
U can all keep this mess of a country...I'm outa here as soon as possible.

big baby jesus

Jan 29 2008, 11:00 am

hey tcb, does all of that ego of yours fit in your head?

you can capitalize words all you want, it in no way diminishes the stench of your bullshit

also, instead of asking ? to educate you, try youtubing ron paul yourself.

your reply shows just how little you know. if ron paul read anything i said, he would say that he supported my 1st amendment right to say what ever the fuck i wanted too.

and what makes you think i care what you think? youre an idiot fear monger. i think we get it. republicans=pure evil
democrats=all that is good

i wish things were actually that simple

TCB...re: ?

Jan 29 2008, 3:09 am

Where are YOUR facts, Mr. Question mark? I see lots of vague platitudes, like:
1. His record speaks for itself. (Why don't you enlighten us stupid people with some specific FACTS?)
2.He's the best man for the job. (Why? Because YOU say so? How about even ONE fact?)
3. It's not a Dem or a Rep thing. (Then what is it? Again, not a single fact. He ran as a Republican because that's what he IS.)
4. He can easily run as an Independent. (So? Why didn't he? Because he's a REPUBLICAN)
5. He speaks common sense. (Do you even have ONE example?)
6. He represents change. (How?)
7. He all ways has stood strong to his ideals. (Bad spelling and grammar aplenty, but not a fact to be found)
8. Stop Bitching Start a Revolution. (What kind, a vague, fact free Revolution, complete with bad grammar?)

Wow, you have set a new record for using so many vague, political cliches in such a small space. I'm assuming it's because you don't really understand what the facts are besides "Dude, he'll legalize WEED!", and when challenged, all you can do is spew meaningless slogans, curses and insults, as if I were attacking YOU PERSONALLY. God forbid you should put your own political insights on the line like me, but then people like yourself would be attacking YOU, and wouldn't THAT be ironic and unpleasant? Like I told BBJ, your attitude will turn off more voters than it will attract. You are a detriment to Ron's image and reputation.
Anyway, I suggest you start working on your grammar and your political insights before you start trying to impress people with your superior attitude and knowledge. By the way, if you want some MORE facts from me, I'll be posting my reply to BBJ in a day or so, as time permits, so stay tuned.

P.S. Who will YOU vote for if Ron doesn't get the nomination? Same question I asked BBJ. Maybe you should read my post again, and ask yourself who or what the problem REALLY is...

TCB...re: big baby jesus

Jan 29 2008, 1:44 am

What do you HONESTLY suppose Ron Paul would think if he saw your reply to my posting, BBJ? "Great job, BBJ, it was the morally upright thing to do. I really want morally upright guys like you representing me. Oh, and keep up that colorful language, very impressive and morally upright. Keep on insulting and swearing at potential voters, that's the kind of integrity that'll turn 'em around and make 'em vote for me. You'll win over a lot of morally upright people with your carefully constructed, morally upright thoughts. I'm so proud of you".
No, BBJ, he wouldn't say that. The fact is, you would be FAR too ashamed to even SHOW it to him. Your nasty, mean spirited attitude is a black mark against Ron Paul, an embarrassment to him AND his supporters. If you actually DARED to show him your reply, he would likely ask you to stop representing him, and he'd probably lecture you on the importance of being CIVILIZED to people if you want them to see things your way. Maybe THEN you would realize that you are NOT the kind of morally upright role model that Ron Paul is looking for to represent him and his values. And at that point, you would be completely embarrassed and humiliated, wishing that you had never shown it to him or anyone else. But it's too late, BBJ, because you have now proudly posted it for the world to see, your morally upstanding monument to Ron Paul.

Jan 29 2008, 12:09 am

TCB .....
Get your facts straight !
before you go talkin shit !

Jan 29 2008, 12:05 am

Ron Paul's record
thru out the years,speaks for it self.He is the best Man for the Job.it's not a Democrat or Republican thing, He can easly run as an Independent.
Ron Paul simply speaks common sense and anyone with common sense and who really wants change can clearly recognize Ron Paul represents change & all ways has stood strong to his ideals -

Stop Bitching Start A Revolution.

RON PAUL - 2008

Thank you TCB,

Jan 28 2008, 8:34 pm

Indeed, republicans cannot be trusted. I have also witnessed the shady tactics and methods republicans employ, its not hard to spot them if your looking, they are so predictable. In my opinion, it is possible that the reason ron paul is allowed to speak against their own republican corruption in public while running is to play the part of a carrot on a string, both to lure votes away from democrats with similar positions and to make the republicans not look like mindless robots who all think the same and believe the same lies, at the last debate every single one of the republicans answered the same to alot of questions "exept ron paul" questions like "was the war worth the blood and treasure lost?" everyone of them said yes, exept ron paul, he's an asterisk put there to give the illusion that republicans are capable of rational original thought, look at the bigger picture, it's practically a cult, it being the republican party. DVR Don't Vote Republican.

HU210

Jan 28 2008, 8:25 pm

I'm with BBJ on this one.
I dont care for republicans myself.
However I have been a fan of RP for most of the 20 years that he's been in the political spectrum.
I look at the person and their actions rather than their political affiliation.
When they are solidly in support of individual liberty and personal autonomy, as RP- with the exception of his position concerning abortion.(No ones perfect).
They are worthy of serious consideration.
Really making him president puts him in a weaker position to actually do somthing about abortion.
All he really could do there is sign a bill that reaches his desk.
Unlikely given the potential for the Dem's to pick up many seats in the congress in 08 elections.

big baby jesus

Jan 28 2008, 6:18 pm

haha, the litany of offenses youve enumerated, have absolutely nothing to do with ron paul. the only thing factual, and somewhat troubling to me, is his stand on abortion; which makes sense since he is an obstetrician by trade. if we were all to discard what is the most morally upright man to run for the presidency in my lifetime, solely because of his stance on abortion, THEN we would be "one issue voters"

so.... shut the fuck up and go vote for hillary for more of the same, you insipid twit. any american who puts a higher priority on allegiance to a political party, rather than whats best for the country as a whole should be summarily executed with a rusty teaspoon

TCB...against Ron Paul

Jan 28 2008, 6:09 pm

I've said it before: Ron Paul is EXTREMELY CONSERVATIVE and ANTI-ABORTION. Look at his website. He wants to overturn Roe vs. Wade ASAP. Many of his other positions on other issues are also very conservative, and I can't believe that progressive HT readers would support this guy if they knew his stand on ALL the issues. He is a SEVERELY CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN. The Republican party has gutted the Constitution in the last 7 years, and they want to eliminate any part of the government that protects the the lower and middle classes from Big Gov't and Big Corporate Power. This is how they will gain even more control over us. FAR more control. They ILLEGALLY wire tapped us, downloaded all of our e-mails (this s/b of MAJOR concern to HT readers and ALL Americans), took away Habeus Corpus, LIED to get us into the Iraq war, and the list goes on and on. Apparently, people either have short memories or no knowledge of history and/or politics. Remember Nixon, Watergate, Iran-Contra, the FIRST war in Iraq? Would you vote for a guy like Hitler, Nixon or G.W. Bush if they said they would legalize marijuana? Don't be a one issue voter. High Times and their readers s/b absolutely against ANY Republican candidate. We cannot afford another 4 years of Republican rule. The Constitution is practically dead. I would suggest listening to Thom Hartman on Air America Radio if you want to get an AMAZING political education. He is also in favor of LEGALIZATION, understands the importance and potential of HEMP, and talks about these things freely when people call in. What if HT readers started calling in with INTELLIGENT commentary? You can even recommend him to your Christian friends and family (if you have any), because he happens to be a Christian, but not the obnoxious kind, since he doesn't usually mention it unless he's arguing with CONSERVATIVE Christians who twist the Bible to justify doing something evil, like making one of God's plants illegal.