Memo Linked to Warrantless Surveillance
Thu, Apr 03, 2008 12:51 pm
For at least 16 months after the Sept. 11 terror attacks in 2001, the Bush administration believed that the Constitution's protection against unreasonable searches and seizures on U.S. soil didn't apply to its efforts to protect against terrorism.
That view was expressed in a Justice Department legal memo dated Oct. 23, 2001. The administration on Wednesday stressed that it now disavows that view.
The October 2001 memo was written at the request of the White House by John Yoo, then the deputy assistant attorney general, and addressed to Alberto Gonzales, the White House counsel at the time. The administration had asked the department for an opinion on the legality of potential responses to terrorist activity.
The 37-page memo has not been released. Its existence was disclosed Tuesday in a footnote of a separate secret memo, dated March 14, 2003, released by the Pentagon in response to a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit by the American Civil Liberties Union.
"Our office recently concluded that the Fourth Amendment had no application to domestic military operations," the footnote states, referring to a document titled "Authority for Use of Military Force to Combat Terrorist Activities Within the United States."
Exactly what domestic military action was covered by the October memo is unclear. But federal documents indicate that the memo relates to the National Security Agency's Terrorist Surveillance Program, or TSP.
That program intercepted phone calls and e-mails on U.S. soil, bypassing the normal legal requirement that such eavesdropping be authorized by a secret federal court. The program began after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks and continued until Jan. 17, 2007, when the White House resumed seeking surveillance warrants from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court.
White House spokesman Tony Fratto said Wednesday that the Fourth Amendment finding in the October memo was not the legal underpinning for the Terrorist Surveillance Program.
"TSP relied on a separate set of legal memoranda," Fratto told The Associated Press. The Justice Department outlined that legal framework in a January 2006 white paper issued by the Justice Department a month after the TSP was revealed by The New York Times.
The October memo was written just days before Bush administration officials, including Vice President Dick Cheney, briefed four House and Senate leaders on the NSA's secret wiretapping program for the first time.
The government itself related the October memo to the TSP program when it included it on a list of documents that were responsive to the ACLU's request for records from the program. It refused to hand them over.
Late Wednesday, Justice Department spokesman Brian Roehrkasse said department officials believe the October 2001 memo was not about the eavesdropping program, but he did not explain why it was included on requests for documents linked to the TSP.
Earlier, Roehrkasse said the statement in the footnote does not reflect the current view of the department's Office of Legal Counsel.
"We disagree with the proposition that the Fourth Amendment has no application to domestic military operations," he said. "Whether a particular search or seizure is reasonable under the Fourth Amendment requires consideration of the particular context and circumstances of the search."
Roehrkasse would not say exactly when that legal opinion was overturned internally. But he pointed to the January 2006 white paper.
"The white paper does not suggest in any way that the Fourth Amendment does not apply to domestic military activities, and that is not the position of the Office of Legal Counsel," he said.
Suzanne Spaulding, a national security law expert and former assistant general counsel at the CIA, said she found the Fourth Amendment reference in the footnote troubling, but added: "To know (the Justice Department) no longer thinks this is a legitimate statement is reassuring."
"The recent disclosures underscore the Bush administration's extraordinarily sweeping conception of executive power," said Jameel Jaffer, director of the ACLU's National Security Project. "The administration's lawyers believe the president should be permitted to violate statutory law, to violate international treaties and even to violate the Fourth Amendment inside the U.S. They believe that the president should be above the law."
"Each time one of these memos comes out you have to come up with a more extreme way to characterize it," Jaffer said.
The ACLU is challenging in court the government's withholding of the October 2001 memo.














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Mature Adult
Apr 24 2008, 9:00 am
TCB...re: Beart
Apr 19 2008, 6:15 pm
By the way, I'm a heterosexual male. Sorry to disappoint you, big boy (or whatever you are). Stop hating yourself.
TCB...re: Beart
Apr 19 2008, 6:05 pm
Beart
Apr 19 2008, 7:43 am
You sound like a real smart person. And you also sound racist. Why don't you become and "editor" of the English language. Maybe you're gay or lesbian.
Common Sense
Apr 12 2008, 7:31 am
only?
Apr 11 2008, 5:42 pm
Common Sense
Apr 11 2008, 4:57 pm
Fuck Bush ?
Apr 10 2008, 3:46 pm
FUCK BUSH
Apr 10 2008, 9:32 am
umm
Apr 8 2008, 9:24 pm
umm
Apr 8 2008, 9:21 pm
TO FIGHT THE POWER
Apr 8 2008, 6:11 pm
AND YOUR RIGHT ABOUT INCOME TAX BEING ILLEGAL. THE INCOME TAX AMMENDMENT WAS NEVER RATIFIED BY THE STATES AFTER IT WAS INTRODUCED IN 1913, BUT THE GOVERNMENT PRETENDS LIKE IT WAS AND COLLECTS ILLEGALLY ON ALL THOSE TO STUPID TO KNOW BETTER.
fight the power
Apr 8 2008, 5:22 pm
fight the power
Apr 8 2008, 5:15 pm
power
Apr 7 2008, 10:34 pm
ArmySoldier666
Apr 7 2008, 3:30 pm
ArmySoldier666
Apr 7 2008, 3:26 pm
I would love to have a world where we didn't have to have police at all and everyone just did their thing and we all helped make this world the best but no about 90% of this country wont do anything unless they benefit.
Vote 4 Ron Paul
Apr 7 2008, 3:26 pm
HU210
Apr 7 2008, 6:51 am
The mexicans dont think that they are cheap wages. Thats why they come north, to make good wages.
The real question remains. Why do mexicans pay mexicans such low wages?
TCB...re: umm
Apr 6 2008, 10:01 pm
umm
Apr 6 2008, 9:46 pm
:)
umm
Apr 6 2008, 9:39 pm
ArmySoldier666
Apr 6 2008, 8:11 pm
what the fuck do fences and walls have to do with this article???
ArmySoldier666
Apr 6 2008, 8:10 pm
Its called a foreign country and we kind of need a way to establish a border. Plus we need to keep illegal people out.Its sad when all people think is, "Fuck signing the papers and doing it right. Ill just jump the border and have a kid on their soil so they cant deport me.I can not pay taxes for my first six years and they will pay me for being a citizen.
umm
Apr 6 2008, 7:17 pm
zzz
Apr 6 2008, 12:46 pm
Haha.
HU210
Apr 6 2008, 11:51 am
The USA used to fight AGAINST this type of intrusion by government into the affairs of its citizens.
I sure feel safer now
ArmySoldier666
Apr 6 2008, 10:58 am
surveilance,etc. Its just an excuse to brazenly throw away a constitutional amendment that we should have as Americans. Our founding fathers started this country with freedom in mind and now the only thing on the minds of our presidents and potential candidates is money,power,and oil. Our country will fall apart soon enough and we will topple like a house of cards. Vote for who you choose because it wont matter in the end.
ArmySoldier666
Apr 6 2008, 10:45 am
Suggs4Drugs
Apr 5 2008, 6:12 pm
Vote 4 Obama
Apr 5 2008, 5:26 pm
TCB...re: Vote 4 Obama
Apr 5 2008, 3:58 pm
By the way, it's spelled "Hussein", and he didn't vote for the Iraq war. Why don't you drop the sarcasm and tell us what you REALLY think? Who do YOU plan to vote for? I'd guess McCain, in your case, because your post smells like conservative, Republican thinking, plus you're trashing Bush and Cheney (which you spelled wrong), and that's what Republicans want to do at this point, throw Bush under the bus so they can build up their next guy as better than the fuck ups in the Bush administration. I'll bet Karl Rove is your personal hero. Or maybe you're really 'Vote 4 Ron Paul', and that's who you're voting for. It's hard to tell, because your posts never make any sense.
Vote 4 Obama
Apr 5 2008, 9:23 am
TCB...re: kystoner
Apr 5 2008, 3:26 am
"think about it, you people want a president with a middle name of hussien
DUMB ASS"
In answer to your question:
No, I want a president with the middle name "Hussein". You see, you spelled his name wrong. PLUS, you didn't capitalize it. You also forgot the question mark at the end. Or maybe you intended it as a statement, which would explain why you left out the word "do" before the phrase "you people want...". Kind of gives it a whole new meaning, and probably true, considering the polls. Also, the first word in the sentence should be capitalized.
My favorite part is the way you signed off at the end as "DUMB ASS". But tell me, why do you capitalize your name, DUMB ASS? Probably an ego thing, huh? At least you can make SOMETHING big. Maybe you should use more KY jelly...wait, that IS what your handle means, right? K.Y. Stoner? I think I'd prefer to call you "DUMB ASS". It just suits you better. But you must have terrible self esteem problems to be calling yourself "DUMB ASS". I'd recommend a good psychiatrist.
Anyway, good bye, DUMB ASS...
Sincerely, TCB
P.S. The name "Hussein" means something like "The good, beautiful one". You can probably Google it, if you're interested. Just make sure you spell it right, O.K., Einstein?
TCB...re: sirsmokesalot
Apr 5 2008, 2:11 am
I'm going to have to give you an "F" on this little essay of yours. I'll let you figure out what the "F" stands for in this case. Here's a hint: it doesn't stand for "Facts", since there weren't any in your post.
obma yo mama posters
Apr 4 2008, 6:07 pm
Common Sense to 4 obama
Apr 4 2008, 3:25 pm
Terrostist Surveilance Act .
You a terrorist or something ?
hmm
Apr 4 2008, 10:31 am
How many of you people are more afraid of the police or DEA then another terror attack?
I rest my case.
peacetime vet
Apr 4 2008, 8:52 am
Vote 4 Obama
Apr 4 2008, 8:19 am
Common Sense
Apr 4 2008, 6:45 am
All this hype about our rights being taken away puzzles me seeing as a shit load of stupid people blamed the government for not knowing in advance about 911 . Now you bitch because they're trying to give you what you indicated you wanted . Be careful what you wish for .....
HU210
Apr 4 2008, 6:44 am
Check it out.
~~imhigh~~
Apr 4 2008, 12:09 am
Slater
Apr 3 2008, 9:17 pm
You cant help what your name is.
Vote 4 Obama
Apr 3 2008, 8:46 pm
kystoner
Apr 3 2008, 8:42 pm
DUMB ASS
Vote 4 Obama
Apr 3 2008, 8:42 pm
Vote 4 Ron Paul
Apr 3 2008, 8:33 pm
Suggs4Drugs
Apr 3 2008, 8:07 pm
G. Washington 420
Apr 3 2008, 7:12 pm
Obama is the only real canidate this election. His economic policies will be reminiscent of Clinton's during our 90's boom, with more regulation to bring us out of our Republican caused recession. He will get us out of Iraq in a timely fashion and actually wage an effective war on terrorism. For the naysayers and willfully ignorant critics: he is not a secret Muslim, he doesn't have to wear a flag pin to be patriotic, and his preacher has said nothing worse then any of McCain's bible banging end of times religous advisors.
In short, I can't wait for the real race to begin, to see McCain get crushed when we get to see actual policies being debated, and not media driven narratives on the contender's images.
Legalize it,
George Washington 420
G. Washington 420
Apr 3 2008, 7:11 pm
remains the same: illegal spying on American citizens. Unless a miracle happens and Bushco is held accountable by impeachment, we still have one more year of this asshole in power (party on Pennsylvania Ave. Jan 20th, 2009 anybody?).
To Ron Paul supporters: come on, serriously. Yea, he has a few good ideas (legalize it), but he has zero chance anymore of gaining the nomination (McCain will at most face a slap on the wrist for his FEC violations; face it, he is the nominee). Besides, would RP be good for America? Railing against a beuracracy gone bad certainly makes a good sound bite, but it seems we have gotten into this economic downturn as a result of the extreme deregulation of major industries by the Repubs, namely the banking system (avoidable sub-prime meltdown anybody?). Not only would RP completely rid us of market regulation, he would eliminate the IRS and enact a "Fair Tax". Look up criticisms of the Fair Tax, and you will see a 30% tax on everything you buy is a bad idea. In any case, RP is out.
To Hil Dog supporters: stop it. Obama leads in every metric for the Dem nominee, and aside from a super delegate mutiny, she will not make it. Besides, who really wants Clinton II in office? (We have seen how Bush round II turned out).
KINDER
Apr 3 2008, 7:05 pm
BYE!!!!!!!!!!!!
FUCK OBAMA
Apr 3 2008, 6:55 pm
kinder
Apr 3 2008, 6:43 pm
Just wondering, could you run a watermelon stand?
HU210
Apr 3 2008, 6:10 pm
Until when? The next emergency? Are drugs emergency enough?
Seems to have been excuse enough to erode/usurp to 4th Amend almost out of existance the last 25 years for sure!
HU210
Apr 3 2008, 6:03 pm
Write them in!!
Vote 4 Obama
Apr 3 2008, 6:02 pm
sirsmokesalot
Apr 3 2008, 5:59 pm
Vote 4 Obama
Apr 3 2008, 5:46 pm
vote4obama is a dumbass
Apr 3 2008, 4:39 pm
Suggs4Drugs
Apr 3 2008, 4:37 pm
And to those who call Obama a racist, your a fucking idiot, hes black, most of the people who run his campaign are white, so why the fuck would he have white people helping him if he was racist?
Vote 4 Obama
Apr 3 2008, 3:40 pm
1st of he's crazy he wants to end income tax, the CIA, He wants to END THE WAR??? He wants all our troops from around the world home, how are we going to control other nations! He is against nation building and he's against a one world goverment, against the CFR, against goverment hes AN ANARCHIST. Our goverment worked so hard to repeal our natural rights and admendments by 9/11 if you want to see another 9/11 go vote for Ron Paul. Simple as that.
by the way...
Apr 3 2008, 3:34 pm
so there is still a chance for a Ron Paul presidency.
IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHO RON PAUL IS OR WHAT HE BELIEVES, I'M NOT GOING TO TELL YOU, BUT I'LL ENCOURAGE YOU TO FIND OUT FOR YOURSELF BY VISITING HIS WEBSITE: ronpaul2008.com
hey dumbass,
Apr 3 2008, 3:29 pm
vote4obama is
Apr 3 2008, 3:27 pm
if you don't like freedom, there are plenty of shitty freedom hating countries you would fit right into.
get the fuck out of america if you don't like freedom.
Vote 4 Obama
Apr 3 2008, 3:19 pm
Vote 4 Ron Paul
Apr 3 2008, 3:16 pm
Ron Paul is a TRUE PATRIOT
obama is a racist
Apr 3 2008, 3:13 pm
obama is a muslim raised moron.
obama can suck these nuts.
and while i'm here, fuck hitlery too.
democrats only have two choices:
the boob with two nuts, or the nut with two boobs.
Vote 4 Obama
Apr 3 2008, 3:04 pm
Obama a true patriot.
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