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What Will the Candidates Do to End the Unwinnable War on Drugs?

Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:02 pm

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On January 20th 2009, either the president of the United States will be a man who used to snort coke to ease his blues, or the First Lady will be a former drug addict who stole from charity to get her next fix. In this presidential campaign, there are dozens of issues that have failed to flicker into the debate, but the most striking is the failing, flailing 'War on Drugs.' Isn't it a sign of how unwinnable this 'war' is that, if it was actually enforced evenly, either Barack Obama or Cindy McCain would have to skip the inauguration -- because they'd be in jail?

At least their time in the slammer would feature some familiar faces: they could share a cell with Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, and some 46 percent of the US population.

The prohibition of drugs is perhaps the most disastrous policy currently pursued by the US government. It hands a vast industry to armed criminal gangs, who proceed to kill at least excess 10,000 citizens a year to protect their patches. It exports this programme of mass slaughter to Mexico, Colombia and beyond. It has been a key factor in reviving the Taliban in Afghanistan. It squanders tens of billions of dollars on prisons at home, ensuring that one in 31 adults in the US now in prison or on supervised release at any one time. And it has destroyed an entire generation of black men, who are now more likely to go to prison for drug offences than to go to university.

And for what? Prohibition doesn't stop people using drugs. Between 1972 and 1978, eleven US states decriminalized marijuana possession. So did hundreds of thousands of people rush out to smoke the now-legal weed? The National Research Council found that it had no effect on the number of dope-smokers. None. The people who had always liked it carried on; the people who didn't felt no sudden urge to start.

So where's the debate? The candidates have spent more time discussing froth and fancies -- how much air is in your tyres? -- than this $40bn-a-year 'war."

They should be forced to listen to Michael Levine, who had a thirty year career as one of America's most distinguished federal narcotics agents. In his time, he infiltrated some of the biggest drugs cartels in the world -- and he now explains, in sad tones, that he wasted his time. In the early 1990s, he was assigned to eradicate drug-dealing from one New York street corner -- an easy enough task, surely? But he quickly learned that even this was physically impossible, given the huge demand for drugs. He calculated that he would need one thousand officers to be working on that corner for six months to make an impact -- and there were only 250 drugs agents in the whole city. One of the residents asked him, "If all these cops and agents couldn't get this one corner clean, what's the point of this whole damned drug war?"

When Levine penetrated to the very top of la Mafia Cruenza, one of the biggest drug-dealing gangs in the world, he learned, as he puts it, "that not only did they not fear our war on drugs, they actually counted on it... On one undercover tape-recorded conversation, a top cartel chief, Jorge Roman, expressed his gratitude for the drug war, calling it 'a sham put on the American tax-payer' that was 'actually good for business'." He was right -- prohibition is the dealer's friend. They depend on it. They thrive on it, just as Al Capone thrived on alcohol prohibition. When Levine recounted these comments to his boss -- the officer in command of the paramilitary operation attacking South America -- he replied, "Yeah, we know [the police and military battles against drug gangs] don't work, but we sold the plan up and down the Potomac."

Yet virtually no politicians are exposing this scandal. A rare and heroic exception is Jim Webb, Senator for Virginia. In his brilliant new book Born Fighting, he says "the hugely expensive antidrug campaigns we are waging around the world are basically futile." He even goes further, and exposes how this intersects with racism to create a monstrous injustice. The ACLU found in 2006 that although the races use drugs at the same rate, black Americans -- who comprise 12 percent of the population -- make up 74 percent of all drug offenders sentenced to prison.

Webb shows the human cost: "Even as I write these words, it is virtually certain that somewhere on the streets of Washington D.C. an eighteen year-old white kid from the Maryland or North Virginia suburbs is buying a stash of drugs from an eighteen year-old black kid. The white kid is going to take that stash back to the suburbs and make some quick money by selling it to other kids." He will grow up and grow out of it, and one day -- as a wealthy professional -- he will "look back on his drug use just as recreational and joke about it... just one more little rebellion on the way to adulthood."

But the black kid "will enter a hell from which he may never recover." He is likely to be arrested, and to go to prison. "Prison life will change the black kid, harden him, mess up his mind, and redefine his self-image. And after he is released from prison, the black kid will be dragging an invisible ball and chain behind him for the rest of his life... By the time the white kid reaches fifty years of age, he may well be a judge. By the time the black kid reaches fifty, he will likely be permanently unemployable, will be ineligible for many government assistance programmes, and will not even be able to vote." Barack Obama only narrowly missed this fate. He would not be the Great Black Hope he deserves to be; he wouldn't even be allowed to cast a ballot in 2008.

Of course, ending drug prohibition may seem impossible now. But in 1924, even as vociferous a wet as Clarence Darrow was in despair, writing that it would require "a political revolution" to legalise alcohol in the US. Within a decade, it was done.

Before this campaign is out, Obama needs to be asked: do you really think you should be in jail? McCain needs to be asked: do you really think your wife should be in jail? Both need to be asked: do you really think 46 percent of Americans should be criminalized? And if not, what are you going to do to begin ending this mad, unwinnable 'war on drugs'?

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Hey, 420='s guy

Dec 7 2008, 3:52 am

Clinton=Surplus, Bush=Recession. It's a fact. Stop trying to rewrite history.

wake up

Dec 2 2008, 11:17 pm

First off legalize marijuana tax it use the money to bail out our fukd up economy. Release my cousin from prison a non violent now felon whos house was raided with his 3 year old daughter watching as her mother and father had assault rifles aimed point blank at their heads. For what u ask oh you know a POUND a single pound of a harmless plant now he lost his job he had for 7 years and he will never be able to support his family the same because he is now a felon and the law basically says dont hire felons bullshit its just bullshit.
Second the war on marijuana will end as soon as the majority of americans who smoke pot or have at one time, and see no problem with the plant stand together on this idea and say cut the shit legalize it. Im not for sure if the statistic i read was right or not but its said that 60 percent or so of the american population smoke pot on a regular basis another 20 percent or so say they have tried it at least once. Its like people forget this country is a democracy or at least its supposed to be, and if it truley is the if the majority of the american populous wants it legalized then we should get what we want. Our government works for us not the other way around they are not our parents if we wanna smoke marijuana then we can if you dont wanna smoke pot then dont. The majority of americans know the truth that marijuana does not make people go crazy and kill bus loads of orphans. And we know its not adictive, its not as dangerous as alcohol. Dont get me wrong i like beer, vodka u name it, but if anything alcohol should be illegal and marijuana should not. Well im done ranting but the point being is "hey congress cut the shit and legalize it".

420=Sanity

Nov 14 2008, 8:52 am

Wow...I only read about half of the comments from the bottom up...I just couldn't get through all of them...

First off: PoliceOfficer - I'm a pothead...I consider it beneath me to talk shit...But you Sir, are an Idiot...If you want to get onto someone for being a "junkie" go to crackheads.com or something...Don't come to a friendly (keyword being friendly) web forum discussing pot and politics...Oh yeah...Learn to SPELL...

Second: Someone, I forget who, brought up the point of how the economy began to go to shit when Democrats were voted into Congress...Well, DUH! Everyone wants to blame the shitastic economy on Bush...But only because he is the only person anyone knows to blame it on...The real issue lies within the halls of Congress...I seem to remember when Bill Clinton was in Office...The economy was shit then...And as soon, maybe within a year, as Bush is elected the economy begins to flourish...Someone brought up 9/11...And then someone got pissed off for bringing it up...Get over it...It happened...We can't change that and it's no reason to get pissed...But it did have an affect on Bush's Term...It made the economy drop again...And it slowly began to rise...Until Democrats were voted into Congress...

Third: Somebody said that ALL other countries out there hate us and that they get treated harshly for being American...Well...I'm from Texas...And when you go to another country and they find out you're from Texas they treat you better than they do their own coutrymen...You can't go to Paris or Spain or Amsterdam and say "Hey, I'm from Ohio." Or "Hey I'm from Oregon." and actually expect them to know where the fuck you're talking about...Just like Germans don't come over here expecting us to even know what they're talking about...We as Americans believe that everyone should speak English as long as they're in America...They why do other countries have English on most things�� Because they have a certain level of tolerance...Unlike America...

Thank you to the people that took the time to read what I posted...I have forgotten what my point was and do not feel like reading over what I have already written...

And in closing all I would like to say is:

FUCK Y'ALL!!! I'M FROM TEXAS!!!

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under me

Oct 31 2008, 4:27 pm

lmao...yea u right about dat fuck em....i think bud will b legal within another decade and they need to get rid of the rocafella laws

Lakota :)

Oct 15 2008, 10:08 pm

I can understand the goverment wanting to ban things such as coke or meth or crack or whatever it may be. But marijuana?????????Alchohol is legal and it is far more devestating than marijuana will ever be. I have a UA in half an hour, and i'm not clean at all. I know I'm in the right, as I'm not a criminal. I'm a stoner and i never did anything to hurt anyone. and if the system wants to lock me up for posession of something that grows out of the dirt, then fine. fuck em.

ThA LorD INFaMOuS HaZE

Sep 24 2008, 5:39 pm

Since cannabis is such a great cash crop,Why dont we decriminalize it so we as tax payers dont have to bail out the mortgage giants who sit fat with there multi million dollar pensions.We could have the deficit paid back in 2 months and be well on our way to record earnings

pot

Sep 21 2008, 3:06 pm

doesn't talk.

Yea

Sep 15 2008, 5:06 pm

its just the pot talking .

Chillax everybody

Sep 14 2008, 3:46 pm

If you talk shit about the presidential candidates, you're no better than the politicians you hate so much. Stop trying to win votes for your candidate, democracy is about making individual, informed decisions. Maybe it's just the pot talking, but I believe that everything will work out as it should if we just quit bitching at each other and understand that in reality, we are all on the same side. So everyone just chill out and vote for whichever candidate YOU think deserves to win. Don't let two party politics be the death of a great country.

oh , and

Sep 13 2008, 7:31 am

Factcheck.org is currently being called biased by the McCain camp over some facts they reported about his record . Isn't that funny ? 'cause you claim they are biased the other way .
Think about it .............. NO ! Don't hit the bong yet , just think about it ........................ take a breath ................think a little more ............

Now ... what does this indicate ? Any idea ? Not quite sure ?

hint : Look up the definition of "biased " and then look up the word "unbiased" .... see how they aren't quite the same thing ?

LOL

Sep 13 2008, 5:55 am

You MUST be right . I was only going by what I know from real everyday experience on the matter . What on earth could I have been thinking .

back at ya

Sep 12 2008, 7:59 pm

do you even understand what the "this" is? because that's the important thing, and it seems to me that you do not.

Yes , I said owner

Sep 12 2008, 7:30 am

and no , not a kfc .
and no , I won't be sending jobs overseas but..

YES , this would affect my ability to make a profit AND pay my employees . I realize you don't understand , and I am increasingly aware that you wouldn't let on if you did .
Expand you horizons and your perception will change .

oh wait, you said owner, right?

Sep 12 2008, 6:55 am

what, do you run a KFC or something? listen dude, you really need to get the facts strait. allow me to simplify, Mccain will fuck you and all of us, just like bush does only worse. not only will obama not fuck us like that, but he will fix alot of the shit that's been fucked up so far. there are hundreds of reasons not to vote for mccain, and almost as many reasons to vote for obama. this isn't just me saying this, I know you won't take my word for it even though my word is good, this is the culmination of the facts, the truth is, wheather you believe it or not, Obama is the best choice this election. If you beLIEve that mccain is the best choice, and refuse to listen to why your wrong then go ahead and vote that way, it's really up to you who you vote for, it's just that the point of democracy is to have everyone think hard about the facts of the issue, make what they think is the best decision, and vote for it, and hopefully enough people will have figured out what the best choice is and vote for it so that we end up with the best possible outcome, but if the facts are distorted and people make decisions based on things that aren't true, it messes with the foundation of democracy and often leads to the wrong decisions being made, I'm just trying to bring the facts to your attention, look them up somewhere that isn't distorted.

why am I arguing...

Sep 12 2008, 6:25 am

with someone who clearly doesn't understand the facts about the plan. do you think that a small buisness will get the same taxes as those who ship jobs overseas? you think that your boss's family personally makes over $250,000, and if so that his return to prebush taxes will destroy his buisness? get real.

You're funnier making up the spi

Sep 12 2008, 5:37 am

I am a small business owner with less than 20 employees . It IS a reality ... sorry .

ps: you're talking about politicians here . They lie . Actions speak louder than words .

you're funny, believing the spin

Sep 11 2008, 10:22 pm

so you are pushing the "your boss will be broke from taxes" lie, eh? how about you look at the truth as opposed to false speculation from the site you linked to, which has clear bias from what I saw. Go to www.ontheissues.org for real strait to the facts no nonsense no filler information. it doesn't speculate, it doesn't guess, it just tells it like it is strait from their mouths and voting records. it's not the only one, but it will show you what an unbiased sourse is supposed to look like, as opposed to that crap you linked to. it has accurate info on all the candidates and other persons of interest. anyone interested in factual info should check it out.

:o)

Sep 11 2008, 4:35 pm

and don't forgrt !... So the tax goes up on the guy what pays you , can he afford to keep you , can he afford to give you a raise after that ? Is he forced to cut costs and jobs or send them overseas ? Depends on how bad the taxes burn him . So , how does this affect you ? So this will solve .........? You must not have cross referenced......

and

Sep 11 2008, 4:16 pm

Now we must pause, 9/11 you know,we must reflect upon
that day,we must not ask why,we must accept,all facts and reasons are true and our govt. Has our 6,and knows what is best for us

really? what statemnets?

Sep 11 2008, 12:06 pm

or are you talking out your ass like I know you are? Obama will repeal the bush tax cut for the wealthy, and give tax cuts to the rest of us who don't make $250,000 a year or more. in other words, instead of giving rich people the lower taxes, he's giving poor and middle class people lower taxes, and letting the rich pay the older standard rates. In other words, the rich people who can afford to pay higher taxes do, the rest of us who can't, don't. you call THAT raising taxes? because it's lowering taxes for me, you, your neighbors, and everyone you know who doesn't shop at sac's 5th Ave., and as for the rich people who make above $250,000, they pay what they paid before bushs useless "discount for being rich" tax cut, repealing a bad tax cut isn't the same as raising taxes, especially if they return to normal accepted levels, which they do, plus they are rich, they can afford to pay uncle sam what he needs, if they love their country it shouldn't be a problem. right now the tax burden is paid by the poor and middle class, which of course keeps them poor, while the rich keep their money, and get richer, sound familiar? "rich get richer, poor get poorer", the bush tax cuts keep this saying alive, and that's what obama wants to change, by repealing bush's rich people tax cut and giving tax cuts to the rest of america instead. Seriously.

Obama

Sep 11 2008, 5:53 am

won't raise your taxes ? Really ?? Thats strange as his own statements say otherwise . You don't believe him ? Thats ..kinda weird ........

Fact Check

Sep 11 2008, 4:59 am

factcheck.org ....argue with them ..........

you wanna deal with hype?

Sep 10 2008, 8:54 pm

ok lets deal with hype, offshore drilling, sara palin or obama's tax plan, which would you like to deal with? spoiler alert: offshore drilling is a fraud that won't change oil prices, Sara isn't so innocent, and obama will not raise your taxes, regardless of the hype.

what numbers?

Sep 10 2008, 8:49 pm

you got numbers? let's see them, did you cross reference them to see the conflict of interests in their actions and clear instances of bribery? what is "about even" to you anyway?

Fact Check

Sep 10 2008, 7:57 am

says both parties have lobbyists on the payroll . The numbers look about even to me . Neither party can point fingers at the other . Oh well ...one piece of hype delt with , lets move on to the next one .

No , I got it

Sep 8 2008, 5:10 am

I just don't agree . There is a difference .

no, you missed it again

Sep 7 2008, 9:58 pm

I simply pointed out the facts of the matter, it isn't "my opinion" that the justice department has been corrupted and that mccain is having his strings pulled by lobbyists, those are proven documented facts, any "opinions" in my statements are fully supported by the facts. as for your opinion that no political party can police it's members 100%, fair enough, it's more like 97%, they let a couple run free to give the illusion of balance, but the R party does make them sign something called "loyalty oaths", whatever that means, and as for you opinion that no party has "cornered the market" on honesty, that is hard to know, but it's obvious that one party has cornered the market on corruption, and the other has a lot more stock in honesty. But you believe what you want, I'm just stating the obvious.

Got your point

Sep 7 2008, 6:15 am

and I still don't doubt you believe what you say . However , your statements are to biased , but thats how you feel and you certainly have the right to that opinion . But
no political party can police their members 100% and no political party has cornered the market on honesty or morals . Thats just reality .

well.........

Sep 6 2008, 10:54 pm

both parties have gotten fat and lazy,both parties are on the take,both parites need a flush!
but only one party has been "leading" this country for the last 7 plus years.And in that time,we've been robbed.
Freedom has become a dirty four letter word,and all the
questions that will never have answers,wmd,s and the like
where are they,who's got em now? And i don't even wanna start on Alaska,and off shore drilling.

you are missing the point

Sep 6 2008, 7:43 pm

first off, my point about mccain and georgian lobbyists was that first he was asked by georgian lobbyists to meet with them, and mcc's representitive told the lobbyist to make a contribution to the bush library and maybe then he'd get to speak with them(this was recorderd on videotape) eventually, some big payments were made, therefor strings were pulled and the mcpuppet started to dance in tune. you follow so far? moving on, my point about the guy who took the money from an undercover was about the fact that the "justice department" was completely under republican control, that alone should say something about conflict of interest, however it was proven that they were completely partisan as to who to investigate, in other words, they NEVER investigated republicans, even though they are brimming with corruption, because they themselves were corrupt, instead they focused all their efforts on trying to nail any democrat they could to feed the illusion that both parties are equally corrupt, it took them a while, no way of knowing how many democrats refused to be bribed but eventually one democrat finally took the money, and they threw the book at him, I was pointing out the high level of corruption in the justice department as well as other departments under the bush administration.

I don't doubt

Sep 6 2008, 4:25 am

you believe what you are saying . Thats the trouble with naive people . They believe what they want to believe .

ps: your example of "proof" sounds like you are relying on conjecture and is hardly "proof at all . Although , it could be true , but has yet to be proven .
As far as the poor Democrat being duped by the villainous Republicans and taking a bribe example ... you don't think the guy is responsible for his actions ? Because he's a Democrat ? ...........now we're back to naive .......

You are wrong and ignorant

Sep 5 2008, 6:23 pm

I said FACTS, and I meant it. as for your claim that corruption isn't exclusive to one party, if it's not, it's still very one sided. If you can't see that then you haven't been paying attention at all. As I said before, the republicans are totally controlled by corruption, and the democrats are driven by logic and reason, thats the only reason they come to the same conclusions on issues, and the reason that they sometimes disagree on how to address those isues, It's like that expression "I don't belong to an Organized political party, I'm a democrat!", as true today as it was then, and like I said, I support democrats because they support what I believe in, by coincidence, as opposed to republicans who support what they are Told to support by lobbyists, want proof? look at mccain and the georgia issue, he recieved alot of money from georgian lobbyists right before he started to support them and do what they wanted, even if it meant provoking a possible ressurection of the Cold War. the timing of the payments matches the timing of his actions. then there's the issue of the republican controlled "justice department" which exclusivly investigated democrats, no republicans, leading to the "money in the freezer" sting of that guy, money he was handed by the undercover, not actual lobbyists. they used their partisan influence to refuse to investigate any republicans, and to set up stings on an innocent democrats, tempting them with huge amounts of cash, until one finally took the money. is that the corruption on the other side your talking about? because it seems the republicans are much more corrupt in general, by like 100,000 to 1.

You are excused

Sep 5 2008, 5:29 am

and naive . ( naive : deficient in worldly wisdom and informed judgement)in reference to : " any objective person who is truly informed of the facts will come to the same conclusion " ... I take issue with your use of the word "facts " . Don't you mean , any person who thinks like you will come to the same conclusion ?

hint: bribery lobbying and lying is not limited to any one party and has never been . There goes your "truly informed " line .......

Excuse me?

Sep 4 2008, 6:00 pm

what delusions? you obviously are not objective, an objective person wouldn't say us, first of all, second of all, I don't vote by party, I objectivly look at the facts, not the spin, and have made my decisions on my positions on the issues, and it just so happens that democrats support my side of the issues most of the time, because they too thought about the issue, and reached a logical conslusion, while republican supported issues are obviously the result of whoever is bribing or lobbying them. I am objective and I support the democrats and Barack Obama because they are the most logical choice.

Objective Person

Sep 4 2008, 6:49 am

You don't speak for us . We don't share your delusions .

well

Sep 3 2008, 5:41 pm

they have to choose somebody, and all things considered, the best choice is the democrats. any objective person who is truly informed of the facts will come to the same conclusion.

tons of chants

Sep 3 2008, 3:47 pm

tons of Democrats . The Democrats ain't the ones that matter . There isn't any doubt who they want . Its the ones that aren't Democrats that will make the difference . To them ( i think ) the choice isn't clear and neither candidate should be in office for various reasons . They are also the ones who know no party lines . ( not Demo or Repub ) and tend to make their decisions based on factual history and the candidates records . Not the stupid shit that flows from this forum .

and

Sep 2 2008, 7:49 pm

what about the DNC, tons of chants of yes we can, and in his other recent speeches before that too, that bristol one is from june 5, like I said, don't know why you're trying so hard to defend this other guys dumb comments, let it go. Getting back on topic, as far as who will more likely end the war on drugs, there are lots of ways it can end, very few of them good, however I trust Obama's judgement on the issue a thousand times more than I'd trust mccain's.

what you talkin' 'bout?

Sep 2 2008, 7:28 pm

there were plenty of cheers of yes we can, not sure which speech you watched or why you're arguing this so much.

? supposed to be

Sep 2 2008, 5:02 am

Bristol Virginia . There wasn't any loud cheering or "yes we can" 's .

"to" was supposed to be

Sep 1 2008, 7:37 pm

to "Re:obviously"

Sep 1 2008, 7:18 pm

see "let me be more clear", like I said, the can you hear me line is in respose to the "Obama" post which implied that obama is lost without a teleprompter, resulting in pauses, while the only pauses I heard in the real speach were while he was interupted by very loud cheers and chants of "yes we can", often before he finishes his sentences. it was not in response to the mccain post, it was in response to "obama"'s post.

Re: obviously

Sep 1 2008, 5:49 am

Oh ...you mean The Democrates cheered at the DNC ? I don't get your point . Wouldn't it have been weird if they didn't ?
Thats like saying the Republicans cheered for McCain at the RNC meant something .

obviously

Aug 31 2008, 7:33 pm

I meant Obama's speech and the other speech at the DNC, what, the "yes we can" wasn't a big enough hint? although mccain has been trying to steal that line, just like his positions, still, I was referring to obama, get it yet? not to call you slow, but...

Re: More clear

Aug 31 2008, 6:13 am

Which speach are you talking about ?

let me be more clear

Aug 30 2008, 9:10 pm

I Didn't say or mean that mccain said it, he didn't, and I wasn't trying to say he did, and I said you have it backwards, I meant it about obama, it's not a direct quote, obviously, I said that because this other guy was making fun of the pauses, as if he was dumb, well I watched the speech and the pauses were because the crowd was cheering loudly often before he could even finish his sentences, because they agreed so much, I was fliping around and some stations sounded different, like they didn't have a mic in the crowd, maybe he couldn't tell that the pauses were due to the cheering, either way, like I said, it wasn't about mccain, the post before that one was.

Re: "can you hear me "

Aug 30 2008, 5:06 pm

McCain said "can you hera me ok over all your cheering ?"
"Yes we can " ...? Are you sure ? When was this and what were the circumstances ? I think you're wrong on that .

to re and to to

Aug 30 2008, 4:35 pm

you've got it backwards...

Re: "can you hear me "

Aug 30 2008, 6:04 am

I think you're wrong . When did McCain make that statement ?

to below

Aug 30 2008, 4:36 am

and still , nothing will change .

"can you hear me"

Aug 30 2008, 12:48 am

"can you hear me ok over all your cheering?" "yes we can!"

Mccain

Aug 30 2008, 12:45 am

I'll have my staff get back to you, I'll be at homes, I need to help poor people, like this guy with only $4,000,000 who works for this oil company, or go spend the money I got from that georgian lobbyist. Maybe I'll have a beer, and spend my wifes beer money on false negative ads, without having to report where the money came from, or start faking evidence and act tough to start a money making war in Iran and Russia, and let oil companies destroy alaska for a few million bucks more, and let speculators drive the price of oil to as high as they want, and maybe I'll buy another house. Right after I don't do my job as a senator while I run for white house with every lie and dirty trick and pandering move I can think of. then I'll do it all agian tomorrow.

Obama

Aug 29 2008, 5:55 pm

" I would like to say that ...err uhh mmmm and for all the uhhhh.....err....but only if we can ummmmm errr uhhhh ....you know , its a sad day when the ahhhhh ..........errrr.....ummmmm.." ...... wheres my teleprompter ?
Can't wait for an actual televised debate .

Aug 29 2008, 7:20 am

Obama on the Patriot Act
"giving law enforcement the tools they need to investigate suspicious activities is the right thing ." "We should not let the Patriot Act expire " .

Factcheck : " Obama promised to repeal the patriot Act , but then voted for it " .

I guess it depends on your definition of the word "change " . Sounds like same ole same ole to me too .

Aug 29 2008, 6:49 am

Huffington Post
Biden " the more people learn about them (Obam & Hilary ) and how they handle the pressure , the more their support will evaporate "

Sept . 2007 on Obama's Irag plan
Biden " my impression is he thinks that if we leave , somehow the Iragis are going to have an epiphany . I've seen zero evidence of that ."

the Observer on Obama's Presidential plans :
Biden " I don't recall hearing a word from Barack about a plan or tactic "

And this is the guy that will be pulling the strings for Obama . Yea , sounds like change to me ..........

almost forgot

Aug 29 2008, 5:11 am

non sequitur doesn't apply . Most likely what you meant was
you don't understand . There is a difference .

to below

Aug 29 2008, 5:03 am

LOL.... so you want to dictate what people think and say ?
Thats mighty nice of you to take such responsibility . I bet you know what everybody is supposed to do, when and how they're supposed to do it ? haha .. you're funny .
Reality is a scary thing but it's preferable to wishful thinking if only because you aren't surprised when your delusions fall apart . You can call it "shitting on hope " I call it not sticking your head in the sand because you don't like it .

Debate ? Reality doesn't require debate , it simply is .
You don't like it ... cool . I don't want to change your mind , thats up to you .

to "to below"s again

Aug 28 2008, 6:39 pm

non sequitur logic of yours aside, things are changing, and if Obama wins there will be change, besides the obvious change of being the first black(no disrespect) man in office ever, his policies and way of thinking are a great positive change that our country needs right now, as opposed to having another manchurian candidate like mccain in office, so this election is really important, it's the difference between hot and cold, red or blue, war or peace, like kinder said, we'll either be fucked for another 4 or heal and grow in the next 8, obama is the change candidate, and people who want that change should be behind him, not shitting on hope by saying that nothing will ever change as you did, if you want to convince people that nothing will ever change, even without mentioning what hasn't or won't change, either be ready for debate or keep it to yourself.

to "to below"s

Aug 28 2008, 6:14 pm

once again you describe your own problems as if they are mine, projection, read your own post back to you as if it was from me, it could help you get over it, if not, see a therapist.

kinder

Aug 28 2008, 5:15 pm

NO!!!!!!!!!!!

to below

Aug 28 2008, 2:02 pm

? . It could very well be . Why , you trying to sell some ?

kinder

Aug 28 2008, 1:40 pm

To to below
Is it POST TURTLE time again?

to below again

Aug 28 2008, 7:02 am

I'm trying to think of an example to make my last point that you MIGHT be able to grasp , so lets try this ..

Do you blame the weather man /reporter for bad weather ?
Do you blame the Doctor for medical problems ?
Do you blame McDonalds because you got fat ?

I'll answer those questions for you :
The weather man/ reporter does not control the weather .
The Doctor didn't make you sick .
McDonalds didn't make you get fat ,you did .

Your problem is you can't stand it when people don't agree with you . And throwing one of your hissy fits might make you feel good in some way , but it only demonstrates your juvenile nature .

Things will remain the same . That is my opinion . You don't have to like it , I don't have to explain it ( it is doubtful you could understand if I did ) .

to below

Aug 28 2008, 5:34 am

I see ........... I must have bruised your brain .
Don't like the message , attack the messenger ? And things still remain the same .

ps : you're getting stupider with each post . Trying to save face often has the opposite effect .

change happens

Aug 28 2008, 1:06 am

regardless of how much you want people to think that nothing will change, we will vote for change, let's review, voting for mccain = voting for things to be the same/worse, voting for Obama = voting for a huge change in direction, away from the insane republican policy that has been ruining our country for years, By the way you never mentioned what hasn't changed for "hundreds of years" that you think will never change, and I doubt that anyone running (exept mccain maybe) know's nothing of the world outside of DC, you oversimplify and are sticking to steriotypes too much. You have no cred in my book.

to "to below"

Aug 28 2008, 12:47 am

god you are dumb, you said I was only thinking of pot, I said just because I mentioned pot doesn't mean it's all I was thinking about, you say I shouldn't have mentioned pot if it's not what I was talking about, duhh, It's part of what I was talking about, so thanks for proving that YOU have a comprehension problem. is that why you accuse me of not being able to understand, because YOU don't understand? that's called "projection", where you project your own faults onto other people, and it's not healthy, you should see a therapist, take meds,and avoid stimulus that you can't handle, ya fuckin' nutjob!

to below

Aug 27 2008, 4:36 pm

Well , after i've stopped laughing at you i'll respond to your ignorance ...........................................
...................................................ok

You shouldn't have brought up weed if that wasn't what you were talking about . That made your statement specific ( get somebody to explain that to you )

AND I never said I wanted the country to stay fucked up , thats your lack of interpretation again . ( when you read between the lines , but , there wasn't anything between the lines to read , you will always come across as an idiot )

SO , fuck you right back , off the high horse you think you're sitting on .

BTW Obama would probably be ok as a President as long as Biden is there for the real stuff .
Regardless , nothing will change .

BTW

Aug 27 2008, 3:26 pm

I'm not a "single issue voter", and even if I was, the choice is obvious as to who to support, Obama and Biden.

kinder

Aug 27 2008, 3:13 pm

Listen,I,don't know how the tooth fairy plays into liberty
and justice for all,ether America,rises to the occation or
go stumbling off into the night,like an old blinded one eyed
whore.

to the ?

Aug 27 2008, 3:02 pm

what make's you think you know the future, or what the candidates will do or support? an inflated ego and a desire to suppress votes? a brain crammed with talking points and fox news trash? a weak attempt to seem smart? a condecending attitude to compensate for your lack of wit and intellect? a massive misinterpretation of the facts? all of the above and more?

to to below

Aug 27 2008, 2:54 pm

oh, you assume I only think of weed just because I used it as an example? how shallow minded, pathetic, and wrong. besides, you weren't specific at all in that other post about what hasn't or won't change "in hundreds of years", you're just telling everyone to give up, well Fuck you, I'm not giving up, no one should, exept you, you should give up this little game of yours, not sure why you want things to stay the way they are, but you are an idiot for wanting that. Fuck you.

Aug 27 2008, 8:12 am

What have the candidates done in the past concerning the war on drugs ?........answer : supported it .

What have the candidates stated they will do ? answer : nothing

What makes some people think they will do something ? Answer : nothing reality based . ( wishfull thinking doesn't count )

note : this conserns candidates who actually have a chance at being elected .

conclusion : there is no tooth fairy . Get used to it .

to to below

Aug 27 2008, 7:09 am

People who consider themselves victims won't make sense unless you read it as a victim . Big crowd , small intellect.

to below

Aug 27 2008, 5:47 am

Oh , you're only thinking of weed ? ..figures .
That makes your comment even more childish .

AND

Aug 26 2008, 10:00 pm

cannabis has been illegal for LESS THAN a hundred years, don't you know your history? of course not, obviously.

KINDER

Aug 26 2008, 7:05 pm

To: to below
WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

to below

Aug 26 2008, 5:16 pm

things will remain the same , as it has for hundreds of years . You put to much faith in those who know nothing of the real world outside of D.C.

kinder

Aug 25 2008, 1:31 pm

One thing for sure,these days ahead will prove the metal
of AMERICA,will it be,land of the fee,home of the slave.Or
will it be,liberty and justice for all?

hey look!

Aug 24 2008, 10:17 pm

a talking point!

Obama / Biden ???

Aug 24 2008, 7:00 am

Biden ? Oh yea .. the guy that said Obama didn't have the experience and know how to be president ....puppet master ?
Somebodies got to be there for the hard stuff .......

watched it

Aug 24 2008, 1:05 am

not a bad video, the clip of that movie at the end was cool, I saw that movie, I personally would have liked to have seen more facts and stats about pot in that vid, considering you reccomended we send it to congresspeople, I'd like the message we send to be more clear than that, don't want them to just brush it off as "yeah it'd be nice, but not neccisary", instead we need to expose the facts that prove how crazy it is to keep pot illegal, the facts that show how wrong these laws are, the facts that show how wrong the propaganda against pot is, the facts period. I mean c'mon if everyone here has figured out why it's so wrong to keep pot illegal then it shouldn't take much to prove it to the people that matter, but we need to use the facts, not just talk about how nice it would be, no disrespect, it would be nice, as well as justified, correct, and the way it should be. and nice.

FosterBoys

Aug 23 2008, 8:26 am

Wouldn't it be Nice...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyC-v3CNvfw

Forward this video to your Congressperson! Show them who we really are!

It's Obama/Biden 08!

Aug 23 2008, 6:11 am

now I don't want to hear any "sounds like" jokes, they insult everyones intelligence, especially your own. not to mention that funny names are already "in the house", dick, bush, colin was there for a while, among others... so grow up.

yeah

Aug 23 2008, 6:02 am

If you like where things are headed now.....

O bombed a

Aug 23 2008, 5:43 am

another fucked up choice .

McDraft

Aug 22 2008, 1:00 pm

yup, you will be drafted under my plan.

kiefhash420

Aug 21 2008, 7:53 pm

I've had enough with the LEAGAL LIES!!! It's time to LEGALIZE!!!

Candidates

Aug 21 2008, 5:44 pm

who says its unwinnable ? Certainly none of us candidates ...

oneee lovee

Aug 21 2008, 2:29 am

legalize the dank i kno kids who r buying a qp (4 ounces) basically 290 an ounce for some good bud

but if we could buy from vendors taxes would be lower and every one wouldnt need dealers and could buy dubs for the gram

1 love

to below

Aug 20 2008, 5:39 am

Not to mention the majority of voters who wouldn't vote for him if he did . But he won't because he isn't .

soundbyte world

Aug 20 2008, 1:45 am

if he just comes out and says he'd legalize pot, he'd have all the behind the scenes string pullers who keep pot illegal targeting him and paying for slander or worse, threatening his life, because the people who help keep pot illegal do it to "protect their investments" or in other words, for the love of money, and have alot of it to spend to protect it.

not voting is a waste

Aug 20 2008, 1:38 am

it's a two man race, if you don't vote for one or the other than your vote is wasted.

HU210

Aug 19 2008, 6:52 am

Nor will he support Legalization of drugs, playing a Clinton trick he is. I dont understand why people think Obuma is if favor of legalizing?
Dont waste your vote on McInsane or Obuma.

too much south park

Aug 18 2008, 10:25 pm

at least voting for one side or the other instead of "other" will actually count for something, BTW if his biggest mistake was drugs(didn't say which one) then he must not make very many mistakes...

HU210

Aug 18 2008, 6:52 am

And voting for the Douche Bad or the turd is gonna get ya heard?
Go ahead, jump off of the cliff with the rest of the lemmings. See what that gets ya.

Vote for Obama, who just stated this weekend that his greatest mistake was using drugs.

someone else

Aug 17 2008, 3:00 pm

voting for paul who isn't even a third party guy yet won't mean anything, no one will "hear" it, it won't be "part of a revolution", it will just be the 3% of the vote that was wasted giving the republicans the lead, they pull this trick almost every election, they talk shit about democrats that isn't true, then when people don't know who to believe they introduce a third party guy who has no chance and isn't really a third party guy to gather up all the support they can/take away as much potential support for democrats as they can, and in the end the support they stole thru lying is just enough to ensure that republicans win by a small margin, it's happened before and they want it to happen again, DON'T FALL FOR IT, it's a cheap low blow tactic, I can't believe so many people are falling for it, it must be true what they say about the past, that those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it, STOP FUCKING FORGETTING. DON"T FALL FOR THAT BULLSHIT AGAIN. THIS SHIT IS FUCKING SERIOUS DON'T WASTE YOUR VOTE, GET INFORMED AND MAKE A CHOICE.

HU210

Aug 16 2008, 2:08 pm

Dont waste your vote by shooting yourself. Make your voice heard. Write in Ron Paul!

HU210

Aug 16 2008, 12:19 pm

When Carter left office the U.S. was 903 Billion 116 million in debt. (That involves all debt incurred from Washington through Carter) Not quite a Trillion but far less than the Trillions(plural), recited ad nauseum about Carter on this site of late.

When - we can spend our way to prosperity - Raygun left office. The U. S. was well over 2 Trillion in debt.

Type in: U.S. National Debt 1979 Start there ,read the charts.

Also note the last time that the debt was going down was Clinton's last year in office.
Just the facts please.

to AMERICAN

Aug 16 2008, 11:51 am

well. your right about one thing...you should shoot yourself.

american

Aug 16 2008, 9:24 am

Hey do better math.

We haven't had a surplus in this country since the sixties. We've been trillions of dollars in debt since jimmy carter, and if you would've ever left the country, you would know that other countries view us(US) as the most conceited people in the world. On my trips to europe, I found it increasingly hard to get service where they thought I was american, and where I did, they only wanted to rip me off. I found it much more beneficial to just speak french and pretend I wasn't american.

And, as for the political candidates we have available to us this year, I would have to say I should just shoot myself. J mccain is another GWB, and obama is so left wing it makes me sick. What we should do it remove them both, and see who steps up next. The only good thing that could come of this election is if obama gets in. Then at least minority children could start off life actually believing that anything is attainable. Not just being told that, while viewing another reality. I'm just going to vote third party this year, fuck it, how much worse could they make it before someone starts shooting?

HU210

Aug 16 2008, 6:47 am

Maybe they will be real short books-eh?
Bill Clinton was always a long winded fucker.

also

Aug 16 2008, 6:44 am

statistics know no party line .

Hey That Card

Aug 16 2008, 6:32 am

Bill Clinton is getting $12 million for his memoirs . Hilary got $8 million for hers .
Thats $20 million for the memories of two people who repeatedly stated under oath that they couldn't remember anything ............

420criminal

Aug 16 2008, 5:00 am

...you know...i dont know how much of this shit i can take anymore...the key word to this topic is ..unwinnable...unbeatable...undeniable ...frankly and in America ...that just seems that...America has always been the centerpiece of Great criminal minds and greedy fucks who want no more than total control..of money....of people..of everything...this has been and always will be the problem...i myself believe in the possibility of legalization..but if and only if the people (majority) can stand up and rule against the regs and penalties..which would take a whole lot of educating and what seems to me as a lot of balls too....everyone seems to be so damn scared to admit the benefits...the usage...the possibilities...which in turn just allows the powerful persuasive people of our government to make "our" decisions for us..sooner or later we are all just gonna die of either war, AIDS, or some sort of regulated genocide controlled by our own people sadly...unless of course we take a stand by showing our government we are suppossed to be part of the decision making too...and a freedom such as marijuana legalization would be a great start considering the benefits overall from this plant (not drug)...which i believe would give us a great jump economically...some say ohhhh bla bla drugees...i say ..bitch do you know anything other than what the government leads you to believe..aside from the classification of this plant being a so called "drug"...(these are the first to die from FDA approved pills and side effects ladies and gentlemen)..obviously not and all in reason why i say education is key!! Do your research people....there is a positive effect on human ailments added to the list each day from this "drug" thanks to our great researchers... nobody knows that this can be used to make fuels to run cars..yes fuel people(fuel problems? why?)..nobody knows how easily these plants can be manufactured to make many products in your retail stores such as clothes,lotions or paper (quit cutting our fuckin trees for paper...use hemp..we need oxygen) =(jobs?)..must i go on...and how about our tax dollars wasted on non criminals...so called "criminals" that havent killed raped molested or robbed a damn person in their entire lives yet are doing time because of a plant..not a drug...its only classified as a drug because of our greedy ass government people..think about it....do your research...check back in time...it hasnt always been illegal...anyways i cant go on..just consider and pass this info on if you will cuz im always gonna be a supporter relaying this info to my fellow supporters..and as for these POLICE commenting as you do...just goes to show the ignorance and lack of education in our system...in this life i will always be a 420criminal bitch! How you like me now..SMOKE SUMN BITTTCHHHH!!!

lace

Aug 16 2008, 12:05 am

high

that card?

Aug 15 2008, 10:13 pm

pulling the 9/11 card? gee, we have a fucked up president, but 9/11 gets him off the hook? I don't buy that. funny you brought it up, this whole "9/11 changed everything" and "it's a post 9/11 world" bullshit has gone unchallenged for too long, it's a scam, a lame excuse, a lie. 9/11 was at best a lucky shot on a sleeping president, at worst, an intentional lapse in security designed to send the country into a blind rage which makes people vulnerable to manipulation and misinformation which in turn leads them to support whatever the gov't wants to do without question "for the sake of security", allowing them to do things that would never be accepted in peacetime, like change important laws and rights and start a few wars, they wanted people to believe that more attacks would follow, even though they clearly won't, there's no more planes coming, you can relax. anyway like I was saying, 9/11 isn't to blame for this presidents failures and wrongdoings, and it doesn't excuse him, ALL THINGS CONSIDERED HE IS STILL A TERRIBLE PRESIDENT AND IS DESTROYING OUR COUNTRY WITH HIS BAD IDEAS AND DECISIONS, yet you choose to blame the recent rebalanceing of the house and senate, how shallow minded of you. BTW gas prices are driven up by speculators, among other things, which bush is doing nothing about, and who mccain will ignore. also, giving oil companies more land to drill on when they aren't even using all the land they own now, something J Mc voted Against making them do, will not lower gas prices, even if approved last year it would have absolutly no effect on the price of gas for several reasons, one, building oil platforms and drilling for oil takes many years, and the oil would be put on the world market, meaning the price might drop by a nickle or two at most, if at all. offshore drilling is a gimmick. a lie to gain uninformed votes. yet he sticks with this lie, because that's what his party is doing, lying to get oil companies more money. can you see the connections? bush is a manchurian candidate, or more specifically a "halliburton" candidate, and all his little puppets follow his lead. the entire republican party is corrupt to the core, the proof is everywhere, it's not my fault you are too blind to see it on your own. get a flashlight. and by the way, don't drink tap water.

kake

Aug 15 2008, 8:32 pm

vote obama for freedoms

kake

Aug 15 2008, 8:29 pm

vote obama for freedoms

umm

Aug 15 2008, 7:49 pm

I say 911 wouldn't have occured if our government wasn't so mean to other countries.

Kindness goes a long way, and kindness isn't threatening people with sanctions and military violence.

to below

Aug 15 2008, 6:55 pm

you didn't include all the numbers in your equation ...911 .
Fucked up everybodies money .
to hey ezra : yea , thats about the jist of it .

do better math

Aug 15 2008, 1:59 pm

Before 2000, huge surplus, peace, respect from the world, general good times. after 2000, biggest debt ever, needless war, world hates us, no military power to spare, oil companies have record profits and gas prices skyrocketing, "big brother" is bigger and meaner than ever, politically motivated hirings and firings, overall the most corrupt our gov't has ever been, and that's not all.

re hey ezra

Aug 15 2008, 12:40 pm

Ever occur to you that this spend happy bush through iraq is just spending the country to death?

Blaming anyone else is just silly.

Hey Ezra

Aug 15 2008, 11:33 am

Per current national statistics - one year ago :
1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 yr. long high .
2) Regular gas was sold for about 2.19 a gallon.
3) The unemployment rate was at 4.5%
4) The Dow JOnes hit a reacord 14,000 +
5) Americans were buying new cars , taking trips/vacations

Then enough people decided things had to change so a Democratic Congress was voted in . Now what are those same statistics today ?

1)Consumer Confidence has plummeted .
2)gas went to 4.00 or so a gallon,
3) Unemplotment went to 5% ( thats a 10 % increase )
4) American Homes are being taken in foreclosure to the point where there is no number associated whith it yet .

Do the math .

Ezra Banks

Aug 15 2008, 7:39 am

I started out interested in Obama . As time goes by , and the more I know , the less I am impressed . He seems a little to plastic to me .

Illuminati

Aug 15 2008, 1:09 am

The Rockefellars provide financing to both major candidates. Although the may differ on minute and obscure issues, they will both steer the ship in pretty much the same direction; more police, more prisons, more drug war funding, etc. Just look at Clinton's statistics for prosecuting non-violent marijuana users. Many prisons are private corporations that help lobby in Washington. Also providing the majority of funding for the Partnership for a Drug Free America by the Office of National Drug Control Policy are alcohol and tobacco companies. They spend billions of dollars to constantly push their propoganda that distinguishes between "legal" substances and "illegal" substances. Watch "American Drug War" which is an excellent documentary explaining these issues in depth.

Neither candidate would openly admit they are pro-pot b/c it would be political suicide due to the current status quo. People need to break off and support candidates that will help our cause.

Seriously

Aug 14 2008, 10:11 pm

Write in votes = Not voting. don't be a fool. anyone who's been paying attention knows that those who would destroy our country from the inside ACT THRU THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, the only way to oppose them is to vote for their opposition, the only party that bases it's ideas on reason and logic instead of bribes and lies, the democratic party. third parties have zero chance, at least for now, don't waste you vote.

earthchild

Aug 14 2008, 8:44 pm

To the police officer that called marijuana users junkies. In my family I was told don't drink. I come from an alcoholic family and some smoke marijuana. Alcoholics and drunks beat and emotionally abuse their family members I know first hand and look at domestic violence. Look at drunk drivers look at little children and whole families lives ruined by drunk drivers. Can you show me the statistics of these things vs a marijuana user. And alcohol is legal. By the way where do you come off calling a marijuana user a junkie. PEACE

HU210

Aug 14 2008, 5:25 pm

Obama,not a chance after he helped approve the law allowing the government to spy on all of us. And providing immunity from litigation for phone companies,ect that cooperate.
McInsane, never had a chance at my vote.
Bob Barr,A Libertarian? Thats rich. This drug war General will destroy the Libertarian Party. What were Libertarians thinking?
Writing in Ron Paul is really the only way to make our stoner voices heard now.
I am going to keep getting stoned regardless. If the sheeple want to provide 3 hots and a cot at their expence until they are broke. So be it.

Illuminati

Aug 14 2008, 5:02 pm

Indeed you are correct about your definition of "Illuminati"... but when I use the term I am referring to the Bilderbergers, Trilateral Commission, Council on Foreign Relations, etc.... you know... the people that are orchestrating the collapse of this country. Don't be a victim of political slavery by voting for Obama or McCain. Barr or even writing in Ron Paul are both better options. The status quo is not in our (cannabis users, citizens in general) best interests once you understand the establishment.

kinder

Aug 14 2008, 4:19 pm

To Boston,THANKX!!!!!!!!!!!! For beaing on the ball with this one.
To da po,po:How long has this drug war been going on, how
much money has been spent,not to say the loss of life.
The war on drugs has failed soon you will not have a job
cause you boys are gonna run out of funding for all your fun and games.Maybe you and yours should learn how to make
the donuts!!!!!!!!!!

danny danko

Aug 14 2008, 2:08 pm

Obama. That's all I have to say.

Register to vote at Smoke The Vote! Click Here

police office is a retard

Aug 14 2008, 11:05 am

maybe your stupid pig ass could use proper grammer, oh thats right being a cop doesnt take any brains. you are just a stupid little pawn in the governments game. they play this game because they realized a long time ago when they ended prohibition on alcohol that they made the wrong one legal. yes i enjoy to drink, but drinking has gotten me into legal trouble, weed hasn't. i cant tell you how many times i have been stoned or even smoked while driving and never had a problem, but in only my 3rd time dirivng after having drinks and i got a dui, stupid decision on my part, but my case in point. alcohol has a much more negative effect on the body and senses. we all know that our "fabulous" government will never admit that they are wrong or made a mistake. so my fellow retarted officer of the "law" suck my balls, next time i see you on the road i will spark one for your pathetic ass. what the fuck are you doing on this site anyway, you won't convince any stoner to stop smoking, because we know that weed is a very positive uplifting PLANT that is just a the redheaded stepchild to booze. fuck you bacon.

Candidates

Aug 14 2008, 5:40 am

Unwinnable ? Depends on who you ask .

Aug 13 2008, 11:53 pm

no offence.

To boston

Aug 13 2008, 11:51 pm

I watched that video, there wasn't a single clip of obama saying he doesn't support decriminalization, all you have there is text set to music, quoting unnamed people and the quotes don't even directly say he doesn't support it, and then quoting youtube members commenting on a video, that isn't proof of anything, then it just bitches that a MPP video hasn't been changed to say he doesn't support it, and something about a guy named soros, that didn't prove a damn thing, not even close, if you claim to have proof of obama not supporting pot, that video won't do the trick, go fake something better. can't believe I wasted time typing in an address to watch that load of crap, I could just as easily have made a "text and music" video proving that jack bauer secretly runs the world, unbelievable. you want to see a video that every voter should see? watch "hacking democracy" if you can find it, seriously. watch it.

Freedom Weeds

Aug 13 2008, 9:54 pm

Ok mr. officer, you said that you're doing this to protect our lungs....welll technically speaking, anything burned that we breathe in can and usually "is" carcenogenic to our lungs in some way or another. So say you're sitting around a camp fire and you may not be directly breathing in the smoke coming from it, but you still are getting the effects that can damage your lungs; does this mean we should illegalize fire? Hell, the air we breathe nowadays is so much more polluted than it was 30 years ago. And really if you'd look at it form our view point, and not from the eyes of being an officer or from protecting children (which i do advise), though look at it through a responsible user's point of view. Making up mostly 75% of todays smoker's who really are just trying to survive this crazy hell hole of a world that has compiled of years of wrongful diplomacy, along with crazy officials whom since, they've always been form a later generation than the election they won, have screwed up the system in making poor idiotic, non-thought provoked decisions. Truth be told its wrongful of you to criticize the fact of a new breed of society to the revelations from the past, where more than half of the facts proposed then about marijuana have been either disproven or are complete hipocracy. So really level with us and learn what can be taught by the newer generation(s).

umm

Aug 13 2008, 9:46 pm

Illuminati (plural of Latin illuminatus, "enlightened") is a name that refers to several groups of people who believe their way of life is an enlightened one. Cannabis users are a group. Some of them feel enlightened and want to spread their way of life around the world. Please understand that the word enlightened is NOT a bad word, indeed it is a good one. Don't give that word to the haters, as they aren't worthy of it.

Illuminati

Aug 13 2008, 9:12 pm

Where would you get the idea that it is in their plans to legalize it? I haven't seen any sort of information that would literally suggest that.

Also in their plans is to reduce the world's population by over 80%. Do you think you would survive a large-scale catastrophy to enjoy, if marijuana did indeed become legalized?

www.codexalimentarius.net

www.healthfreedomusa.org

anonymous

Aug 13 2008, 8:59 pm

The stupid statement: "The ACLU found in 2006 that although the races use drugs at the same rate, black Americans -- who comprise 12 percent of the population -- make up 74 percent of all drug offenders sentenced to prison."

Its proven fact. Black Americans get caught because they dont know how to be inconspicuous.

HU210

Aug 13 2008, 8:20 pm

A critical assesment of the impact of drug testing in the work place.
Read this. Then with the ammunition of truth, demand an end to drug testing at your workplace!

www.doctordeluca.com/Library/PublicHealth/DrugTestWorkPlace2002-print.htm

Powerful stuff,Good Shit Man!

umm

Aug 13 2008, 8:03 pm

The real Illuminati's plans are to legalize cannabis. Why? Because it just makes sense. It IS safer than water you know.

Illuminati

Aug 13 2008, 7:45 pm

Check this out dudes... RFID chip... the plan is to have this implanted in everyone (in the world, mind you) and be tied into a central computer system that can track your position (GPS) and will replace your debit card (if you try to go against the government, they simply turn it off and you're fucked)... do you think the RFID chip will be able to tell if you are getting high, drunk, etc?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jdq6H_4Y7LU

Boston

Aug 13 2008, 6:23 pm

Replying to Bushman. You just gave us libertarians a bad name. Cut the crap. I don't support Obama at all, especially for who supports him monetarily and the platform he is behind. But that language and word is ridiculous. I hope HT sees it and removes it. What is your purpose Bushman? All I see is you gave libertarians like me a bad name. I know language is a trap and it's only words but there's nothing but your ridiculous word, it's not funny, creative, enlightened, just serves to create a negative impression of libertarian values..

Boston

Aug 13 2008, 6:17 pm

replying to reading this.
Nice post, I agree cannabis is not for all people. It's better with a vaporizer and don't get me started on blunt or cigarette papers. Tobacco leaves, paper and chemicals cause more cancer than the weed? But I think you make some great points and I wish that they could be sanely discussed and brought to kids attention. Weed is not evil. But for some people a small amount maybe 1 in 100, they can have a really bad experience, similiar to what people refer to as a bad trip. I've seen it with a friend. He had a condition that was unknown untreated and it came out when he smoked with us. It wasn't his first smoke of his life and his second incident where he went over the edge. He's cool now but doesn't touch it. Which is good. I'm glad you see through the propaganda and speak logically about something that effected you directly. People like us will make it right. Nobody should be arrested for cannabis use. DARE and propaganda about cannabis needs to be put to a stop. We need real dialogue, education for our kids. Bring in real marijuana experts, people who are NORML sanctioned, scientists etc. not connected to the government. Cannabis is not perfect but it's a good medicine and the safest and most beneficial recreational drug for those that use it(in my opinion).

Boston

Aug 13 2008, 6:06 pm

Police Officer, does the war on marijuana users bring in money for the government? Do you think the government doesn't like to collect money from people and employ more and more police, judges, lawyers? Why does marijuana have millions upon millions of active, successful, proponents where as other hard drugs like pills, cocaine, heroin, meth, do not? Because it is not the same. Nobody does magazines, music, tv, rallies talking about how it's ok to snort cocaine. There is a reason for that. And it's because cannabis is the best medicine as well as the best drug for personal use. Better than alcohol and tobacco and those others I mentioned. And it can be grown like tomatos by anybody. Sort of hard to tax and make money because of that. So there you go. Marijuana does not cause people to become violent or addicted junkies. The only violence associated with it, is because of the high price that it demands because of it's prohibition. An ounce of high grade is worth more than a brand new Iphone, XBox, etc. that people have bene killed for as well. Legalize it and the small amount of violence around cannabis is gone.

Boston

Aug 13 2008, 5:57 pm

great article. I like this video about Obama not supporting marijuana decrim. He and his supporters need to hear from all of us.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-Znv41SIJU

I volunteer for masscann and I can attest that major drug dealing gangs support prohibition and not groups like norml. They support the police backed prohibition. Not talking growers many would like to grow it legally.

Re: Reading this, well. . .

Aug 13 2008, 3:24 pm

In regard to the question posed to me, I'm talking strictly about the harm it can cause to your lungs and, occasionally, your psychological state.
For instance, only recently have I started having good experiences smoking- generally they just aggravate my (already present) psychotic disorder. So, while I don't think pot can cause any more legitimate harm than what I've listed, I think it's important for people (especially those who may have latent psychological disorders) to jsut be aware of how it can affect you.
Oh, and PoliceOfficer, you make me giggle. =) You're such a joke.
Again- Peace, all.

yea

Aug 13 2008, 2:44 pm

See what is at the bottom is what a sooo called cop said. Yea some poeple kill for ther next fix or what ever. There killing for shit like the harder drug because they are addicts and they need it to get through the next day, but weed ur not siting there rocking cause you have not had your fix. So how the fuck can you say we are addicts when all we do is sit at home and do what we all do best and thats get high and eat ourselves out off food or sleep. So until you know the right facts go fuck off and yea we are smarter then our goverment cause they dont look at all the facts before they jump. So you so called cop can suck a fat one!!!!!

"Alot of you people don't realise that i am doing what is right i am protecting the community from drug additcs , dealers like ya who would hurt anyone to get high so i try to stop this morons before they kill someone or themselfs. If marijuana is not dangerous why do our goverment makes it illegal? do you honestly think ur smarter than our goverment.. i dont think so... so stop smoking marijuana today and join the fight against drugs,God Bless."

Aug 13 2008, 2:35 pm

" If marijuana is not dangerous why do our goverment makes it illegal? "

I think this sentence pretty much sums up where your at, cop. Of course, the anti-drug gang has no experience whatsoever with the plant, we on the other hand, know a lot of info, more than the propaganda that has circulated for all these years. Let me ask you, have you smoked pot before?

my name doesnt matter

Aug 13 2008, 2:24 pm

fuckin cop dont be callin me a junkie i smoke weed like it aint no ones business and yet i have a great job make good money and i owe alot of omy success to weed i smoke it, it relaxes and makes me a happier person and yet i live a normal life so dont go callin me a junkie pot should be legalized

Yes I do

Aug 13 2008, 1:50 pm

and yes I am smarter than the gov't on this issue, because they are still clinging to pathetic lies and bad ideas and false assumptions while I/we know the truth, the truth they refuse to aknowledge because it would mean less money for them from their paymasters, or should I say bribe money from lobbyists.

med patient

Aug 13 2008, 1:08 pm

Good piece from the Huffington Post. The idiot Cop wanna be that is wasting everyones time isn't very smart are he? lol

PoliceOfficer

Aug 13 2008, 12:42 pm

Alot of you people don't realise that i am doing what is right i am protecting the community from drug additcs , dealers like ya who would hurt anyone to get high so i try to stop this morons before they kill someone or themselfs. If marijuana is not dangerous why do our goverment makes it illegal? do you honestly think ur smarter than our goverment.. i dont think so... so stop smoking marijuana today and join the fight against drugs,God Bless.

federalstatesofamerica

Aug 13 2008, 9:38 am

Think of it as population control too. Cops and drug dealers die all the time. At this point.. who cares if its legal or not. Keep it to yourself and friends. Be careful where you have it on you or smoking and you will be alright. Let them die for a loss cause. Its their choice to do the job, CHOICE. Like for us to buy or use mj. I dont care anymore. I rather see a fed go than a cop for the record

smoke it if you got it

Aug 13 2008, 2:33 am

my dad is a police officer but luckily not one of these alcoholic, powder noised(cocaine) wife beaters, which there seems to be a lot of. he knows that cannabis is perfectly fine. he is happier that i smoke weed and not drink all the time. a lot of cops in fact know how big of a waste this war on drugs is becuase hell a lot cops are on drugs. but i honestly dont believe drugs will be legalized because the people who run this country and the world are making too pretty of a penny with all of there other drugs and oil there pumping down americans throats and wallets. i pray to joe pesci people will realize how much there assholes hurt from the terrible raping they are recieving and do sometyhing about it. but then again i also prayed not to go into iraq and bush to get a second term but look how that turned out.

umm

Aug 13 2008, 1:46 am

I agree with the previous post except to ask what HARM the kind poster believes Cannabis can cause. I believe there is no harm, in fact, there is only good that can come from it if taken in MODERATION. Going over our limits is always uncharted territory, so we could find that our trip takes us to a happy place, or an unhappy place.

Thats how I see it anyway, and that seems to work for me...

Love to the imbibers, and remember that Alcohol, tobacco and caffeine are the drugs the pushers push first♥

Reading this, well. . .

Aug 13 2008, 1:13 am

The comments you guys have just make me sad.

A couple points: Someone mentioned the idea that pot legalization isn't an issue just so people can smoke without fear of legal ramifications, though there is that aspect; what's the point at which you draw the line? When the government is prohibiting your freedom to pollute your body with anything you want (yeah, I do recognize that pot has legitimate medical uses- I also recognize that it has some harmful effects as well, though nothing that will kill you outright), why wouldn't they prohibit your freedom to do anything else? If your drug use, no matter how hard the drug is, is only hurting yourself, that should be your decision. That's your life. If you get messed up and hurt someone else, or drive stoned or high on meth or shitfaced, yeah, that should be punishible. But forreals, let people hurt themselves as much as they want.
Secondly, on the topic of politics, though I think it really applies to life in general: People are people. NOBODY is perfect. But we forget this, and we judge other people. Yeah, sure, the cop who posted was being a dick and has no right to go about belittling people like that, he still has the total right to be a judgemental prick and have unrealistic perceptions of users. Sure, it's sad. Sure, you should try and educate him. But, really, by reacting with hostility, you're just perpetuating his negative image of users at large. Also, one of my best friends is a detective who smokes regularly; just as the cop who posted here thinks he's better than all of us, it seems that most of you genralize to the point where you consider yourselves better than not only him, but all law inforcement peoples. I'd just ask- isn't it possible that's you're just judgemental in a different way? People are people- we're all stuck here together, start learning to accept people, even if you don't agree with them.
For the record, I don't really smoke pot- maybe about twice a year. That being said, I'm all for legalization. The war on drugs isn't just useless, it's immoral. It's one of the many things that makes me wish I wasn't American.
Peace, all.

F The Police

Aug 13 2008, 1:05 am

i have no words for that police officer who responded earlier im not going to go into a huge list of insults which i could very easily do but i will just say that I am ashamed that you are a human on this earth thats all. Obama is our best shot you can see why politicians lie. Imagine seeing the news and seeing Obama saying that he wants weed to be legal. The stations would flip a shit. They would start to ask him questions like, "Do you Smoke Weed?" or do we really want someone who supports marijuana legalization in office? maybe they will be stoned all the time. We will never get a completely honest politician to run, ever but Obama is our best bet.

thc bear to PoliceOfficer

Aug 12 2008, 10:53 pm

last time i checked it was up to the American people through the legislative system of our government to determine what should or should not be legal, not people who "cop" out on getting a real job. so dedicate yourself all you want, we, the junkies, will just keep truckin.

umm

Aug 12 2008, 10:52 pm

ty for the tip

HU210

Aug 12 2008, 9:13 pm

Well well there green hair.
If legalizn weed is such a minor issue. Then why aint it legal? It should be easy for them. Look at the facts-Legalize it-eh?

re: umm

Aug 12 2008, 9:05 pm

you do know you can hotlink in these forums on the new site, right?

http://www.druglibrary.org/olsen/medical/young/young.html

click here for instructions on how

what?

Aug 12 2008, 9:00 pm

reading some of what some of you are saying, for one thing, some people are saying "they r both lyers", truthfully, one of them is a huge liar, the other one is just being called a liar, guess who's who? another thing, people assuming pot smokes are too lazy to vote, that is a steriotype and you are ignorant for saying it, I voted in every election ever sence I was registered, hell I was even baked while I voted, didn't stop me, so stop assuming that just because we smoke and speak out that we won't get up and vote. one more thing, we support legalization not just so we can smoke freely, it's so much bigger than that, once hemp is legal again we can solve the energy problem by using the best biofuel ever, hemp, and we can get to work on bringing back hemp plastic, it's stronger and it's biodegradeable, also kickass hemp cloths that are much better quality than cotton clothes, and all the other superior hemp products that are being held back by the law, it would create an economic explosion that our country needs right now, and hemp can grow in every US state, meaning we have an edge internationally as far as the hemp market, but we aren't using it because of that one law, and those who would rather we run on oil that keep the law in place, well FUCK OIL. We don't need it. I'm serious, WE DON'T NEED OIL, we can do everything we do with oil with hemp instead. That is a fact. That is one of the reasons that it is illegal, they know hemp could wipe out the need for fossil fuels so they push to keep it illegal any way they can. I say we start there, Push for hemp fuels, fuck corn, corn fuel is a diversion that doesn't work, hemp fuel is the way to go, not just because "it's cool" but because it WORKS, and it's a very renewable resourse.

umm

Aug 12 2008, 8:34 pm

This Link below prooves the prohibitionists are just simply wrong.

The Dea's very own law Judge the Honerable Francis L. Young's decision. Please copy and paste the link below to your web browser, and press return...

http://www.druglibrary.org/olsen/medical/young/young.html

maximillious

Aug 12 2008, 8:30 pm

"I Do Not Care" your a moron...Ive been to costa rica more times than you could count in that pea brain of yours, and i will tell you now, you will need alot more than that "million" your dreaming about. get your head out of your ass. And by the way.. Marijuana legalization may seem like a small thing to some of you...but just remember, as you sit back and let the government become your nanny and tell you what is good for you, you are only allowing them to take more and more civil liberties from you without ever being questioned or confronted. To some small town stoners it might be a big deal to make it legal so they can "smoke in their parents basement" but to others, who see the bigger picture, its to protect not only the natural right to govern ones own body but to protect other rights that may become vulnerable as the government realizes how much power we allow them to have over us.

gren hari ohio kid 17

Aug 12 2008, 7:24 pm

alright ppl, lets just say that weed was a real concern for a second, and lets just say that we will actually accomplish any thing in iraq and afghanastan. oh, and while we're at it, lets just say that the earth is flat! omg ppl, get real! there are far more important things to worry about than kids smoking pot in there parents basement and thousand year old beliefs that westerners will never be able to change in the middle east. maby idk, we could pull the troops out, and insted of spending trillions (thats trillions with a T) off dollars on half-assed missions witch, in my opinion, are only good for getting american soildrs killed for absolutly no reason, and oh, i dont know, maby put that money in to our own failing econmy? just somthing to think about for a min. btw, when was the last time you actually bought somthing at the store that didnt say : made in China, Japan, Korea, ect... thanks for listening. g2g now :)

I do not care

Aug 12 2008, 7:12 pm

All of you idiots can have your macain or obama or any other lyer u choose to put in office of the us.

I how ever in 15 years will have a million dollars that I have earned through hard work. In 15 yaers i will be moving to Mexico or Costa rico and live like a king on my million.

so i pitty all of you fools.

kinder

Aug 12 2008, 6:40 pm

OK,so... people are tired with the war on drugs.Why? What was it's purpose? I'll skip the BS and get to the why.
Over the years billons and billons of dollars,your hard earned tax dollar has paid and paid and paid and paid,for
the war on drugs,yes YOU,are funding the war on drugs and
you ain't gettin' your money's worth.In fact they got both
cannons pointed at YOU!!!!!!!
How long are YOU going to keep paying for something that
don't work,never will work,cause it was not suppost to work.
HOW LONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

obamamccain

Aug 12 2008, 6:39 pm

You see. alot of self-serving. cops,prison gaurds,drug counslers and their families actually go out and vote for us.
in the last election. enough people DIDN'T vote to have elected someone else. you might want to think about that.

probably a bunch of stoners(like you) who couldnt get away from the bong,sofa and chips. to take 1/2 hour of their time every other year, and get off of their apathetic asses and do something to change their situation.
just doing the easy part and just sit around getting stoned and bitchin. all talk no action.

get it yet?

to 10

Aug 12 2008, 6:38 pm

you sure like to talk about what we think, and you are getting alot of it wrong, we didn't choose barack because of race, we choose him because he is smarter than mccain on alot if not all issues. and as for you not supporting mc and claiming to support Paul, funny, you didn't mention that in your post.

Ode to the officer in denial.

Aug 12 2008, 6:24 pm

Ok. first off, Officer whoever this is...stop screwing around and learn a lesson or two that our great nation has brought forth over the years. The fact of you hoping we die, is almost as saying o yea eating donuts doesnt make you fat, and sure as hell you know it does. Just as much as you strongly know that smoking marijuana does not kill!! You know it, i know it, and if you hate it so much just ignore the fact that we smoke it and turn the other cheek. Or maybe if you got a wiff of it your mind would actually open up to the medicinal benefits of its nature, from where?? NATURE!!.... So next time you have a back ache and those advil dont seem to be working, smoke a bowl from the stash you've confiscated off of so many little innocent, non law violating, would'nt hurt a fly, maybe just eat a few bags of doritos, smokers. And tell your fellow officers to stop forming these idiotic and pointless drug raids for A PLANT!! Instead of searching for a meth lab or looking for a cocaine/ heroin junkie out on the streets. You know whats right in this world yet you wont help and fight???

HussshYourMouth

Aug 12 2008, 6:17 pm

There Was One Article I Just Read That Made A Lot Of Since.There Is Only About A Hand Full Of People Who Actually Run This Country,And They Damm Near Have All The Money.If You Think Either One Of These Idiots We Have Running For Office Wright Now Is Going To Help This Country You've Lost Your Mind!!MaCain Passed The Speculator For The Oil Cartel And OBAMA Couldn't Find His Own Ass With Help And A Search Warrent!!As For The War On Drugs,It's A Bust And Every One With Half A Brain Knows This.Just Another Way To Oppress The Amercian Public.And They Call This The Greatest Nation On Earth,Who You Kinding,It Would Be If We Had Some Real Leadership Here,But NOOOO,Lets Elect Some Morons T

somebody

Aug 12 2008, 5:56 pm

to the guy who said something about a protest...

look man the only protest that happens is a shitload of high college hippies sitting in a road.

Americans have turned into pussies that dont have the balls to do anything about the government.

to 10

Aug 12 2008, 5:46 pm

hey, guess what, mccain doesn't give a shit about you or me, all this bullshit about "everyone is trying to kill us! better get someone who will kill everyone first!" comes from them! they want you to live in fear, and to believe that only they can keep you safe, they want you to ignore everything exept for "the (phantom) threat of terrorism" because they can capitolize on that fear, and manipulate you, which is in itself terrorism. Do you honestly believe that the whole world hates us for no reason? or do we give them a reason with our gov'ts behavior, behavior that Obama seeks to change? do you really believe that obama won't do what is needed to protect us? you think a 70something year old man can do better, just because he spent some time in a cage?

@ police officer

Aug 12 2008, 5:39 pm

I hope that your life is a short one then

jax

Aug 12 2008, 5:31 pm

Great article, but unfortunately, the war on drugs will continue as long as pharmacuetical companies cannot make a profit from it. :( Here's hoping regardless! *crosses fingers* I'd rather see my prisons filled with violent criminals, thank you very much. The war on drugs is an absolute failure: you know it, I know it, and so do the powers that be in DC.

HU210

Aug 12 2008, 5:27 pm

Here is a great read!!
Why the drug war is a crime against humanity,explained in plain english.
http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_3608.shtml

none ya

Aug 12 2008, 5:03 pm

10 inches if your preaching at people to vote for McCain after not providing any insight as to why someone would vote for him then your as big of a dumbass as he is

InKeD OnE

Aug 12 2008, 3:52 pm

.....not having some thats a PROB!!

InKeD OnE

Aug 12 2008, 3:50 pm

Just pass the doobie...

umm

Aug 12 2008, 3:47 pm

Lets be clear that Cannabis is NOT a problem.

The truth please

Aug 12 2008, 3:37 pm

The fact is that mccain is the real compulsive liar in this race, he flat out lies in his ads and his statments, and sticks to those lies even after they have been proven wrong, like when he claims that offshore drilling will help lower gas prices, that is a complete lie, he knows it, he even admitted it will only have a "psychological effect" and will not effect gas prices for many years, and the oil goes on the world market meaning it will only affect prices by a few cents, if at all. yet he continues to sell this lie to you, among others, and yet people still choose to believe that a man who will fight for change and bring some real honesty to the white house is a liar and will say anything to get elected, while that exact description fits the man they support. some people...

Illuminati

Aug 12 2008, 3:03 pm

The government also creates wars because it enhances their own power and it stifles dissent. This is why the US has wars on poverty, drugs, and terror. The government does not go into these wars to win, but to profit and establish more control.

Who benefits from these wars? Defense contractors, pharmaceutical companies, building and prison contractors (Halliburton/Dick Cheney), oil companies, more funding for police and military, the REAL drug lords (the government - just google Iran-Contra Affair).

Our standard of living is continually falling from where it used to be. WEIRD!!!!

Everyone needs to wake-up!!!! WATCH ZEITGEIST, ENDGAME, FREEDOM TO FASCISM. (All available for free on google)

"We are grateful to The Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the work is now much more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national autodetermination practiced in past centuries." David Rockefeller, founder of the Trilateral Commission, in an address to a meeting of The Trilateral Commission, in June, 1991.

The Real Common Sense

Aug 12 2008, 2:59 pm

I think its funny . Most people don't see this as a big problem . Thats MOST . There are bigger problems going in this country that puts this whole weed thing in the back seat . MOST consider voting based on who will let you buy weed is sheer ignorance anyway . Heh heh , your special interest groups are no different than any other . EVERYBODY has the solution , but when you break it down , that usually isn't the case at all .

Now, I will burn one .

megan

Aug 12 2008, 2:32 pm

marijuana is not a drug it comes from the earth and its natural and comes from the earth.i smoke everyday and it keeps me focused so mr police officer whos the junkie,not me my shit is natural

Illuminati

Aug 12 2008, 2:22 pm

Faux News is garbage and owned by globalist international bankers (Rockefellers, Rothschilds, Morgans, etc). DO YOUR HOMEWORK!!!! The War on Drugs is a giant profit scheme designed to benefit the Big Pharma, Big Military-Industrial businesses. Drugs are not a criminal problem. They are a health/spiritual problem. But don't tell that to people who make money by housing more and more prison inmates. McCain nor O'Bama are not going to end the War on Drugs... don't fool yourself kids. Just check out their voting records. Neoconservatives (Bush, Cheney, McCain, Guliani) are not conservatives. To see what a real conservative is, check out Ron Paul on youtube. Don't let the mass media mislead you.

"Fear not the path of truth for the lack of people walking on it." - JFK

"Think for yourself and question authority." -Timothy Leary

tyler

Aug 12 2008, 2:15 pm

dude this shit is so sad but true. how did motha fuckin bud become any part of this drug war. shit i dont consider it a drug. i smoke all day everyday not because i wanna be cool and smoke it but its just me dude. weed has never killed anyone or anything and this drug shit is just stupid. the fuckin pigs cant stop it. why dont they try to stop all the motha fuckas killin people and shit. maybe if the straight edge motha fuckin pigs wouldve did the shit then they would understand. but pigs are just the little bitches that got picked on when they was a kid. so they try to make everyone pay for the shit that happened to them. i could understand about all the hard and ron and shit but bud shouldnt even be considered a drug. i consider it a medicine. so fuck the pigs and fuck all the govt people cuz they dont understand how it really is. they were sheltered all there motha fuckin like and dont know shit but just what there momma told them. not that they actually went through the shit. so how can they consider this shit so bad if they dont even know half of the shit about smokin and shit. they will never stop the drugs. all i gotta say is what pakelika always says. FUCK THE MOTHA FUCKIN WAR ON DRUGS!!!!

buds

Aug 12 2008, 2:08 pm

okay, you are fucking retarded ohio girl. first of all, if mcCain wins this election i am going to shoot him myself. never has such a falsely ritcheous, dirty old white man, so caught up in his own rediculous ego and false patriotism pissed me off so much... oh wait except for the last republican duchebag we let run our country. so shut the fuck up

DONO

Aug 12 2008, 1:56 pm

fox news is the most biased new channel on tv.
Could some plz explain how being a liberal(*note the spelling*) could be a bad thing?

Ohio republican girl

Aug 12 2008, 1:33 pm

You are some very narrow mind ppl on this website! Not everyone who uses drugs is a junkie! and the media is all about Nobama if you watch the new at all you would know this...fox is the only news that tries to stay real. The rest are all run by librals! I for one pray to god oh do you ppl even believe in god btw That McCain wins. As for the war on drugs maybe we should focus on the real WAR!!!!

Obama-5

Aug 12 2008, 1:31 pm

Why don't you crazy white folks stop horsing around and get back to work? Put down those grenades, helmets, and other toys and get back to work for the Man!

Whatever

Aug 12 2008, 1:28 pm

Let's not even talk about pharmaceuticals officer! oxicodon is a legal prescribed drug that is killing and destroying lives.
Forget about what is illegal. What are we going to do about the stuff they say it's ok for you to take as mentioned above.

Kind regards,
Peace keeper!

Georgio

Aug 12 2008, 1:26 pm

that's georgio, not georgia. Sorry about that.

georgia

Aug 12 2008, 1:24 pm

Ain't just blacks it's attacked - whites, latinos, e. europeans, w. europeans, filipinos, Hawaiaans, Somoans, Cubans, etc., etc., etc. Lots of politicians, also.

THE INDIVDUALS

Aug 12 2008, 1:20 pm

The first half of 2008 proved to be most unkind to the magazine business, with newsstand sales taking a pounding from consumers rocked by soaring gas prices and falling home prices.
Single-copy sales of magazines fell 6.3 percent, paced by big declines for many of the weekly gossip rags and fashion mags, according to data released yesterday by the Audit Bureau of Circulations.
Leading the newsstand plunge were Top 25 consumer titles In Touch and Life & Style, which fell 28.6 percent and 30.2 percent, respectively.
Both titles 'fessed up in advance of the numbers that they would miss their rate bases, or minimum circulation levels promised to advertisers.
In Touch's total paid circulation was off 27.1 percent, while Life & Style was off 29.9 percent.
Also down at the newsstand were Wenner Media's Us Weekly, which sank 10 percent (but was up 1.3 percent in total paid circulation); Vogue, which slipped 14.7 percent (and was down 6 percent in total paid); and Cosmopolitan, which fell 6.1 percent (but was up 0.8 percent in total paid). O, The Oprah Magazine fell 17 percent in newsstand sales and 1.7 percent in total paid circulation.
Industry-wide total paid circulation was up 0.3 percent, while total verified subscriptions - a category that includes waiting-room copies and other copies that don't require payment - were up 15.8 percent.
People and OK! led the notables to buck the trend, rising 5.2 percent (up 1.7 percent total paid) and 19.4 percent (up 11.8 percent), respectively.
Among the newsweeklies, Time fell 7 percent (down 0.3 percent total paid) and Newsweek plunged 17.3 percent (down 12.8 percent).
Cond� Nast's Vanity Fair was up 6 percent at the newsstand, but off 0.8 percent overall. The New Yorker fell 3.6 percent (down 2.4 total paid). Glamour was down 9.2 percent, but total paid was up 4.1 percent.
New York magazine was up 3.4 percent at the newsstand and up 0.9 percent in total paid circulatio

COMMON SENSE

Aug 12 2008, 1:08 pm

and for you. you fuckin pig ass fat donut eaten fuk ass!, fuck you hatin piggy mcbacon head fuck. fuck cops gettta outta here we hate you too!

COMMON SENSE

Aug 12 2008, 1:05 pm

fuck obama, he's a wuss who doesn't want to defend this country or our allies israel, and his wife talks mad shit about the 50 states, fuck that guy he shouldnt even deserve to have half of the votes he has right now, because he's a compulsive liar? all the stupid young kids who want a "change" dont know WHAT THE fuck they're voting for! hes running his mouth on purpose to get your vote! mostly blacks and hispanics and alot of stupid young suburban kids love this propaganga bullshit, get your views straight everybody, we need a legit leader and someone who will take action like MCCAIN, and get our country organized, get the war on drugs over and done with because we've lost over 20 billion dollars in it! WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS "CHANGE", "HOPE" SHMOPE CRAP YOU CANT EVEN EXPLAIN ABOUT!?? GET THE FUCK OUTTA HERE OBAMA WE HATE YOU!

Illuminati

Aug 12 2008, 12:55 pm

The war on drugs doesn't matter right now in the grand scheme of things. Both candidates are merely puppets for the global elite that are in control. You don't hear either one of them even mention the issue. Everyone needs to educate themselves. Watch "Zeitgeist" or any Jordan Maxwell film on google video for some insight into who really runs this country and the planet.

Illuminati

Aug 12 2008, 12:53 pm

Brandy

Aug 12 2008, 12:51 pm

Fuck you you fucking pig. If your just gonna be a hater then get off the website. Go eat a donut or twelve you dumbass.

Notorious Kelly

Aug 12 2008, 12:49 pm

The failed 'War on Drugs' is a holocaust being perpetrated against the American sheeple.

Amerika is the 4th Reich.

Julz

Aug 12 2008, 12:48 pm

I bet Obama got that good coke... lol

Brandy

Aug 12 2008, 12:48 pm

Fuck you you damn pig. Get off the website if your gonna talk shit. Go eat a donut or twelve and shut the fuck up.

Brandy

Aug 12 2008, 12:42 pm

Where the hell is your proof of anything? I want references and some background. If Obama and Cindy McCain have done any kind of drugs, i think i would have heard about it. I agree that the war on drugs is freakin stupid and that they are dumb if they think they are going to stop people. Just because your goverment tells you not to smoke pot, who are they to tell you what to do? Thats my opinion anyway because really, they dont know me, or probably anyone that smokes out because really,because if they did, they probably wouldnt be against it. Alcohal is worse that weed. Yet thats legal.....our country is fucking stupid sometimes. And that is so right that the dealers are profiting from the goverments prohibition, all because of no tax. War on drugs needs to stop because its not like your EVER going to stop anyone from doing what they want to do.

PoliceOfficer

Aug 12 2008, 12:42 pm

Stupid Drug Addicts , I have dedicated my life to not see the day that marijuana is legal or any other drug and it will stay that way. junkies..

Robert

Aug 12 2008, 12:41 pm

It is really too bad how the Republican party pushes their problems under the rug, while at the same time, 'exposes' the past of the democratic candidate. No one ever mentions President Bush's past drug and alcohol problems. The news never reports on Cindy McCain's addiction, yet they report on Sen. Obama's drug use when he was a kid. Mrs. McCain was addicted to prescription pills 15 years ago, while Mr. Obama's last alleged drug use was when he was a teenager. President Bush totaled the car his daddy bought him, while severely under the influence of alcohol. But you will never hear about that, because the media is biased towards the hand that feeds. Every news channel reports in favor of the Republican party, while slamming the ideas of the liberals. This war on drugs has gone too far, and has turned into a propaganda war, with McCain trying to bring up Obama's past use, while 'forgetting' to mention his wife's addiction to medication.

THE INDIVIDUALS

Aug 12 2008, 12:29 pm

Don't cross the line bitches! Stay in your lane!

THE INDIVIDUALS

Aug 12 2008, 12:26 pm

So is your mother bitch!

oh and to INDIVIDUALS

Aug 12 2008, 12:22 pm

OBAMA is the Anti-Christ

Anonymous

Aug 12 2008, 12:20 pm

Brilliant... finally someone else realizes it's futile, but hey it keeps up the supply and demand for us facilitators.

THE INDIVIDUALS

Aug 12 2008, 12:17 pm

Don't you mean will it be the 44th White person in office or will it be someone who reflects the fact that America is not just white even though White pIrates have stolen the country and the forefathers of the African American population! Every President until now has been a junkie, a bigot, or a whore so get the fuck off of Obama haters!

OBAMA IN 2008!

anonymous

Aug 12 2008, 12:15 pm

great article. but sadly the war on drugs will still continue.