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McCain's Double Standard: Hawk In The Drug War, Yet His Wife Got No Penalty

Wed, Sep 03, 2008 11:42 am


Source: commondreams.org

 

Much has been made of allegations of possible youthful use of illegal drugs by Republican presidential candidate George W. Bush. Meanwhile, his chief GOP opponent, Arizona Sen. John McCain, has admitted that his wife not only illegally used drugs but walked away from criminal charges. The McCains have worked to make Cindy McCain's addiction into a political asset--despite the fact that she stole the drugs from a charity she directed and used them while mothering four young children.

 

In 1994, Mrs. McCain admitted that she had solicited prescriptions for painkillers from physicians who worked for an international charity that she founded, the American Voluntary Medical Team. She then filled the prescriptions in the names of her staff.

 

There are two ways to react to this behavior. According to the Betty Ford model, people can sympathetically respond to the oppressed and ignored wife of a busy politician who has bravely come forward to admit her overpowering addiction. Mrs. McCain took this posture when she first tearfully confessed her addiction. She and her husband repeated this performance in October on the NBC program "Dateline."

 

The other possible public reaction is one of anger. Americans are prosecuted every day for such drug use. While most drug abusers purchase their drugs from street dealers, Mrs. McCain used her status as a charity director and senator's wife to cajole the drugs she wanted.

 

In fact, Mrs. McCain was investigated by the Drug Enforcement Administration after the agency was approached by a former staff member of her charity. The investigation resulted in no charges or prison time for her, and she entered a diversion program. While these records were not made public at the time, Mrs. McCain eventually confessed her drug use when she learned that a reporter was investigating the story.

 

Is Mrs. McCain to be judged as a pitiable victim or as a criminal felon? This debate is at the heart of the discussion of American drug policy. Should we deal with illicit drug users as victims or as criminals?

 

Let's examine Mrs. McCain's position in these terms. She was the privileged wife of a prominent family and spouse of an important politician, a person who had her own position of prestige and power. Should she not be held at least as accountable for her actions as an uneducated inner-city drug user? After all, she could enter drug treatment at any time she chose, unlike many drug users who find themselves in prison.

 

Moreover, Mrs. McCain was violating a position of trust by stealing from a charitable organization, using its money and medical expertise to fuel her drug use. Is this not morally more reprehensible than simply purchasing drugs illegally?

 

Finally, Mrs. McCain was the mother of four children at the time she admits to using drugs--between 1989 and 1992. Her children were born in 1984, 1986, 1988 and 1991. In other words, Cindy McCain was using drugs while raising small children, one of whom she adopted while she was an addict. In most states, family services will remove children from a woman who is known to be an active drug addict, and she would certainly not be allowed to adopt a child while addicted.

 

John McCain is a hawk in the drug war. He advocates stricter drug laws, penalties and enforcement against drug sellers. He has had nothing to say about redressing our punitive approach toward drug users. Of course, McCain also supports family values. Yet if John and Cindy McCain were not well-off and influential, they might not have a family at all. McCain's lack of concern for street drug users contrasts sharply with the support and understanding his wife received. It's the old American double standard. For "straight-shooter" McCain, charity begins at home--and ends there.



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barbara

May 13 2009, 6:31 am

Such an approach lies in stark contrast to the approaches of social
cognitive theory to addiction—and indeed, to behavior in general—which
holds human beings regulate and control their own environmental and
cognitive environments, and are not merely driven by internal, driving
impulses. Additionally, homosexual content is not implicated as a
necessary feature in addiction.
Barbara
Alaska Drug Rehab Centers and Programs

Hey ID Boy

Nov 1 2008, 8:02 am

Sorry you had to run and hide out for a while .

ps: .gov

about ".gov" sites

Oct 18 2008, 8:45 am

Yeah... I've been there, and that piece of junk email spam propaganda is still junk email spam propaganda, nothing more. I just thought I'd give you some time with the last word, as it seemed the only way to cap the flow of bullshit coming from you, and to give you some time to try to figure that out for yourself, the silence in the meantime has been deafening, as clearly there is nothing to your arguement other than spin, but now that I've said something, I'm sure you'll try to spin that too, but the fact remains, you are wrong and that junk mail is junk mail.

Hey ID Boy

Sep 23 2008, 8:24 pm

.gov

nice try

Sep 23 2008, 7:20 pm

It's clear you didn't follow the link, right at the top of the page it mentions what they are talking about, where it came from, and infact quotes the entire email, then it goes on to discuss each point the email makes and why it isn't true, I knew you wouldn't read it, there's alot of big words there, I should have just copy and pasted it here, like your friend copied and pasted that email. the link is still there, it's not hard to type. and BTW, just because they are being humble and not claiming to be the "absolute authority" on anything doesn't mean they are wrong or should be ignored.

ps

Sep 23 2008, 7:12 am

"LOL , ROFLMFAO"

Hey ID boy

Sep 23 2008, 7:10 am

Per Snopes.com : green & red ball indicates multible truths

Snopes.com " we don't expect anyone to accept us as the ultimate authority on any topic " . I don't as instructed .

"and yet " you do . Interesting .........

Hint : I don't see any reference to any e-mail except from you .
Hint #2 : .gov

Sorry for stealing your thunder , but it was only wind .

and yet,

Sep 22 2008, 6:33 pm

they were able to get this one right easily, because it's just some junk email spin they debunked. so much for being "historically correct data... true beyond a reasonable doubt AND can not be denied", LOL, ROFLMFAO, you are so backwards it's getting funnier everytime, exept it's not funny because I wish people weren't so gullible.

Hey ID boy

Sep 22 2008, 7:27 am

Here some friendly advice back your way
Snopes.com " We don't expect any one to accept us as the ultimate authority on any topic "

hint: .gov

to hey id boy

Sep 21 2008, 3:28 pm

I doubt I have to say it, because that facts speak for themselves with that link I posted, but you're wrong about me, I'm not the biased one here, my post wasn't based on "speculation and conjecture" and no, I'm not the one who "can't stand opinions different from my own", that person appears to be you. Funny how people like you cast their own faults onto others, psychology has a term for that, called "projection". Just some friendly advice for you to consider.

and P.S.

Sep 21 2008, 2:45 pm

Like I said before, Barack Obama will undo the "bush tax cut" that affects people making over $250,000, and end tax loopholes that give corperations breaks for shipping jobs overseas, which will generate alot of money, money that can and will help keep SS strong. John mccain will not.

I don't spin

Sep 21 2008, 2:35 pm

the "facts to ponder" post talked about 2 or 3 things, one being that funds for SS were moved into the "general fund" for congress to spend back in the 60's, as if that alone was entirely responsible for the supposed danger it is in now. it could have been a part, IF IT WERE TRUE, "Facts..." is refering to an Email he/she got that has been disproven, I did some research and look what I found, go here, http://www.snopes.com/politics/taxes/sschanges.asp
these "facts" are word for word the contents of that questionable email, and this site talks about the FACTS of the matter, I'll let it do the explaining for me as they have done a fine job, if you can comprehend what it says, you'll find the answers to your questions here, and you will see that those "facts to ponder" are far from facts, but are exactly the type of spin I called them out for being. once again, that website to see is: http://www.snopes.com/politics/taxes/sschanges.asp

Hey ID Boy

Sep 20 2008, 11:37 pm

Damn , I called that one right again ! Couldn't resist the urge ?
The problem here is , and I'm dead serious , you can't stand someone with an opinion or facts that contradict what you FEEL is the correct position . And it seems to me (i think )your conclusions about what the facts mean is the culprit . You're to biased , plain and simple . You (i think ) are not capable of coming to any fair conclusions as a result . Heres an example for you to spin :

This poster ( facts to ponder) made reference to historically correct data , easily accessable and true beyond any shadow of a doubt AND can not be denied . No wiggle room , no if ands or buts , no interpretation required ,nothing to speculate about and nothing to spin .
You CAN"T make the same claim . Argueing what you THINK the facts represent or what you were TOLD the facts represent concerning the other political party has no bearing on the posters ( facts to ponder) statement . His /Her statement about speculation and conjecture was right on the money .

Now , what part of that did you not get ?

to hey ID boy

Sep 20 2008, 6:40 pm

you are living in a fantasy land, and it keeps getting bigger everytime you post, making stuff up about me doesn't make you right and doesn't make me wrong about what I said, and by the way, attacking me for having a little point-counterpoint discussion with someone doesn't mean your side is right, and no I don't treat any political party like a religion as you suggested, standing up for the facts and exposing the truth about both sides is all I was doing, if you want to attack me for my tone look at yourself, you have no right to judge, and I was being fairly decent, not slandering or bashing the way you act like I am, perhaps some sarcasm but not attacking. A debate shouldn't involve personal attacks or spin. All I was doing was responding to what seemed like a narrow interpretation of the facts by providing context and additional up to date information. now if you don't mind, let's get back on topic ignoring your interruption.

Hey ID boy

Sep 20 2008, 4:22 pm

LOL.... thats what I thought . You poor thing . What you need to say is I THINK this and I THINK that , although your ability to think is questionable . Regardless , that would put things in the realm were it belongs , in your head . I'm sure its frustrating to made a fool ( often I suspect) but you asked for it when you jumped on an innocent poster minding his /her own business simply because you didn't like your religion ....oops I meant political party .. being exposed on that issue .
Careful who you jump on next time , they may have teeth , but we both know you lack the ability to control your urges . So , till next time ..........................

nice to see selective hearing 2

Sep 20 2008, 1:13 pm

"'obama and biden have plans' ok what are they?" what, you haven't heard? do I have to explain everthing twice, even the obvious? as for the rest of your "would? could? maybe? most likely? that means you don't know!" bullcrap, I'll let that serve as examples of how desperate for an arguement you are, I could(there I go again!) just as easily have said the same things with the word "will" because what I said is entirely true and based on the facts, but I didn't, just like you didn't read the answer to your own question in the post your trying to attack "for fun", you enjoy this too much for your own good, you don't even know when your making an ass out of yourself and hurting your own arguement, thanks for being a typical example of someone who doesn't get it and argues it anyway.

Hey ID boy

Sep 20 2008, 7:51 am

I gotta get in on this ! Sorry facts to ponder .

Your opening line makes an assertion that some assumptions have been made . Lets see ......

"Obama and Biden have plans " ... ok , what are they ?

"most likely opening up funds to help SS out of danger " .. most likely ? you're assuming here.

"maybe finishing up that whole Iraq experiment" ..maybe ? you're assuming here .

"maybe if hemp was legal " .. again with "maybe" ?

"Democrats are far more likely " ..likely ? thats an assumption .

I see why your post was desribed as conjecture and speculation . I'm sure you will be rewarded for helping your party against such an aggressive older person .
Perhaps you would like to argue the merits of hand spun chitt'lins versus stump wupped ?

oversimplification

Sep 19 2008, 10:26 pm

your post assumes that every democrat sense the 60's has the same ideas and vote's the same way, and as if they want to drain SS, while ignoring the fact that the reckless and greedy policies of republicans have drained almost all the money out of the country in general, and that Obama and Biden have plans to undo the damage and set up smarter policies to balance things out big time, like having better tax policies, most likely opening up funds to help SS out of "danger" and maybe finishing up that whole Iraq experiment could save a few bucks, oh and maybe if Hemp was legal for industrial purposes it would create a nice little boost in the economy, and the democrats are far more likely to do those things than republicans. Infact R's would do the opposite of those things, as shown with the current admin., and BTW the republicans are the ones who always tow the party line these days, and democrats aren't the "tax and spend" steriotypes you seem to believe they are.

Facts to Ponder

Sep 19 2008, 9:11 am

to the pro democrat fellow ,
I have looked into what you have stated and find your comments is based on speculation and conjecture .
The principles of CAUSE & EFFECT come into play here and does not support your position . IF your position was accurate the question is still a matter of who caused these funds to be in a position to be spent for something other than social security . The undeniable facts were presented in my original post . It was the Democrats . That is a fact that can not be denied with any amount of spin or hype . I realize this is an incovenient truth but it is a matter of public record . Sorry.

Hey ID boy

Sep 19 2008, 5:40 am

"I'm not picking on old people " .....

"Nice selective memory"

"stop trying to distract people "

"I laugh at you ".. all this to somebody who was minding there own business .

"is that your name now " ? ... is that YOUR name now ?

is that your name now?

Sep 18 2008, 8:03 pm

No, I'm not "picking on old people", dummy, we're having a discussion about who would be a better president, the golden age person believes that democrats will ruin SS, I wholeheartedly disagree, and I was talking about why, and how republicans are doing more to put SS at risk now than anyone. That's all, I love old people, exept on the road! LOL just kidding, I'm not attacking them at all, so chill out and learn to read.

Hey ID boy

Sep 18 2008, 11:40 am

Surely you aren't picking on old people now ? Whats the matter , couldn't find a spelling error ...........

I laugh at you

Sep 18 2008, 10:22 am

YOU look up the word "statistic" because you are using it wrong, those weren't statistics, here is a statistic: in 2004 there were 16,694 alchohol related fatalities, that's 39% of the total traffic fatalities for that year, an average of one alchohol related fatality every 31 minutes. That is a statistic. you listed a few SS related tidbits involving democrats attempting to blame them for the supposed "danger" that it may or may not be in now, as if the current administration and other factors had nothing to do with it. alot has happened to effect SS that you don't fit into your equation, instead you shift all the blame to democrats, regardless of their current and future plans, you should take note that the "consevatives" are just the opposite these days, not to mention the more than $10 Billion a month pissed away in a war with no goals. and then there is the rest of the money being stolen from all of us in the "pork barrel" spending and no-bid contracts and earmarks and failed planning. remember the oil that was supposed to make the war "pay for itself"? the contracts with US companies have been Cancelled by the Iraqies, and been picked up by China, China is getting the oil money that we fought for, and millions of dollars that could go to SS is instead being wasted on halliburton and other disreputable companies, and tax breaks are given to companies that send jobs overseas instead of employing americans, I wish I had a statistic for how much SS money you're losing with that last part alone, and by the way, guess which party supports all of the above wholeheartedly? the republicans. guess which party plans to end most of these wasteful idiotic policies? the democratic party. If you really care about SS money and nothing else, look hard at the current facts and you might notice, the best bet to save SS is the democratic party, and the best way to waste all of our countries money is republicans. Also they want to "privatize social security", do you know what that means? I'll tell ya, it isn't good.

ps

Sep 18 2008, 6:19 am

just because we're in our golden years does not mean we don't matter .

Facts to ponder

Sep 18 2008, 6:14 am

"push a point that isn't solid" ? Thats as solid as anything can get . It is a statistic . Look up the definition of that word .
To me any many of the age , it is an imortant FACT ! And you will have to consider it one day . (retirement IF you live that long ) . I understand you don't like it , neither do I . Take your blinders off .

nice selective memory there

Sep 17 2008, 8:55 pm

so, your point is, what, to say democrats are somehow worse than republicans because of something about SS which hasn't run out yet and as if republicans had nothing to do with it? what is this, a campign ad? I'd say there are much bigger issues to worry about and alot more examples of republicans messing with things and fucking them up, and also deliberatly putting politics first at our expense, if your trying to compare one party to the other, the republicans are still 50x worse on all fronts, if you're just trying to bash democrats with a partial "history lesson" then I think you need to look at the current situation, simply trying to remove credability from democrats when the republicans are doing more lying than most people can keep up with is an exercise in futility, simply put, you're trying to push a point that isn't even solid while much bigger things are going on that you ar ignoring. look around you, all around you, do you like what you see? how many republican lies are you going to leave unchallenged? how much spin can you take? how many times are you going to fall for their tricks? stop trying to distract people and look at the current problems facing us, there's alot of them.

Facts to ponder

Sep 17 2008, 3:46 pm

Franklin D. Roosevelt ( a democrat) introduced the Social Security (FICA)program and promised :
a) participation in the program would be completely voluntary .
b) the participants would only pay 1% of the first 1,400.00 annually .
As we all know , this didn't turn out to be the case .

In 1958 , the Democratically controlled congress voted to move the SS funds into the general fund for Congress to spend . They felt the large amount of money in the SS fund would not run out . It didn't fly . President at the time ? Dwight Eisenhower ( a Republican )

How did those funds end up being moved into the general fund for congress to spend ? Lyndon B. Johnson ( a democrat) and the Democratically controlled house and senate pushed it through .

Which political party statred taxing social security annuities ...Al Gore ( a Democrat) under Bill Clintons (a democrat) watchful eye .

Immigrants moving into the country , and at the age of 65 , were paid social security benefits although they had not put a single dime into the program . Who was behind that little jewel ? The Democratic party under Jimmy Carter ( a Democrat).

Now , Social Security is in danger of running out of the funds its supposed to have leaving future retirees to fend for them selfs as opposed to what was promised .

These are factual statistics and can be accessed by anyone WANTING to be educated on the matter .

Who does this affect .......everyone eventually .......

HU210

Sep 15 2008, 10:35 pm

Oh crap. wrong article. Forget HT tonight. Go back to bud.

HU210

Sep 15 2008, 10:32 pm

Here is a sick joke:
What is the difference between a Cathloic priest and acne?
Acne waits until you are 13 before it comes on your face.

I thought they were all doin coke to stay awake long enough to listen to all of that boring religious babble. Does cocaine go good with wine?

Sorry Guys

Sep 15 2008, 10:33 am

This election , like all , has already been decided by the people who really run the world . Doesn't matter who you vote for , they've got an agenda and the candidates already know what they will or will not be allowed to do .

How do you control large populations ? Let them think they are running things . Its been that way since the dawn of THIS civilization anyway .....

about alaska and such

Sep 11 2008, 9:52 pm

yes, 1oz or less is legal to posses, but not to sell, more than that is a misdemeaner and could get you some time or a fine, but as for sarah herself, she apparently tried marijuana and didn't like it, and is Not for legalization. wouldn't worry too much about her getting pro pot support.

HU210

Sep 11 2008, 6:09 pm

Noting that several states had already decriminalized marijuana, Jimmy Carter campaigns in favor of relinquishing federal criminal penalties for possession of up to one ounce of marijuana. Carter's drug czar, Dr. Peter Bourne does not view marijuana, or even cocaine, as a serious public health threat. 1976, Carter ELECTED

Further When Clinton Stated "I tried it once, but I didn't inhale"
Millions thought that this is our guy and elected Clinton.
The general consensus at the time was- at least he had it up to his lips. We will get it legalized under Clinton.

Clinton Elected.

These are the only democrats other than Kennedy to be president in my lifetime. I was a baby durring Kennedy, but have read that he favored marijuana= Elected.

Forgive me if I dont grasp your point.

Obama had better grasp this as well or we will have McInsane as our next president.

Perhaps McInsane already has this covered, since cannabis is decriminalized in his VP's state of Alaska.

noone's op, to hu

Sep 10 2008, 8:44 pm

actually it didn't start with that, it started with me pointing out that voting for 3rd's is a waste and I mentioned that if that "vote for 3rd party to show you want change gimmick" actually worked, then there would already be change from the last two elections, maybe there is change now but you still aren't voting for it, truth is a vote doesn't matter unless it's red or blue, and essentially voting third is voting pink, partly due to the fact that reds have the unthinking majority on their side somehow. oh and about safely taking a pro weed stance, if only it were that easy, look how bad this whole pig in lipstick line is being spun and hammered down, if you listen to the words right before he said it it's very clear he was talking about mccains lies and policies, nothing about palin, and they are crying foul and not letting it die, even putting it in ads. they would smear the shit out of him even with nothing factual to go on, they do it all the time. even montel williams is still fearful of taking a pro pot stance too openly because he knows what the people behind the prohibition are like, they are ravenous rabid wolves and vultures, no disrespect to wolves, but these people fight dirty. It's apparent to me he'll wait until he's in office then is "breifed" on the facts, maybe order a scientific study, or maybe it's as simple as getting a bill from congress to his desk for him to sign. he is a reasonably intellignet and compassionate man who is much more likely to listen to the facts about pot than mccain is. that and his tax plan will lower our taxs while repealing the "bush tax cuts" that only help the wealthiest americans, bringing in real money for our economy and real relief for the poor and middle class. infact he has so many good ideas that even if you're right and he doesn't do everything he says, that there is still enough good ideas left that he will do to make it worth it, he can't possibly ignore all of his policies and promisies without someone holding him accountable, at least a few of them will happen, and they are worth a vote to me, least of all the war, finally having a real commander in cheif to give the troops an achieveable goal instead of a pipe dream would be great right about now, our current path is breaking our military! the troops have been waiting for a real mission instead of operation Snipe hunt and such, but I'm getting off topic, actually, I'll stop here because I have something I need to do.

dex

Sep 10 2008, 7:37 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcPF59CoGvs&feature=related

sorry... I keep on finding these semi relevant issues and don't have any specific place to post them, so I pick the best headline I can find that is still active. Anyway, this link has to do with fox news reporting on "Killer Marijuana".

Is there a page on High Times that is an open forum?

dex

Sep 10 2008, 6:22 pm

Not to do specifically with McCain, but rather Palin. Matt Damon comments on her capabilities as VP or even P of US.

http://www.popeater.com/movies/article/matt-damon-slams-sarah-palin-video/168998?icid=100214839x1209389864x1200502816

HU210

Sep 10 2008, 6:11 pm

@ I will just call ya Obama Operative, OK?
This discussion started with you claiming that people voting 3 party cost the Demos an election or 2.
Which I have demonstrated is incorrect.

Your responce about Clintion Locking more people up, possibly not a result of direct action by him. Merits examination.
Do you recall him giving us 100,000 more cops?
Nor did he do anything to turn back Bush #1's anti-drug tyrrnay.
In fact Clinton was playing the appoligist on that very point when the issue came to light on the campaign trail with Hillary last March. Worth noting here. That is also when Hillary started sliding in the polls, never to recover.

Did you also note Obama start to lose traction after he voted to approve FISA?

Had he been smart. He would have said " I voted against FISA, as I dont understand the logic of how giving up our rights will make us safer. If that were true. Then wouldnt giving up all of our rights make us completely safe?"

He could also SAFELY take a pro weed stance simply by learning the facts about weed and reciting them when challenged. After making a monkey out of his opponet time after time on the issue. It would be clear sailing all the way to the President office for him.

That would be real change.

As I have stated a number of times. I dont care what party they are in. If they are in favor of cannabis liberty. I am on their side!

PS Spare me the -there are larger issues mantra,thanks

HU210

Sep 10 2008, 5:35 pm

This is worth reading:

http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/CollegeAndFamily/RaiseKids/WhatIfWeLegalizedAllDrugs.aspx?page=1

SMOKNDRAGON

Sep 10 2008, 4:27 pm

If race is the issuse then mccain would have a black/woman vp, and obama would have Hillary. Race has nothing to do with it, nor does having a woman in the race. all Im saying is mccain went that route. After Hillary dropped out the woman vote was lost, had nowhere to go. Unless you are a hard core dem. woman. Maybe we do need a female pres. As far as numbers from what i have seen on the internet & tv he didnt change. IT IS SMOKNDRAGON. Iv worked hard to get that name. Yes that is what im called by friends, and how i introduce my self.

Hey Smoky

Sep 10 2008, 10:41 am

Using gender or race to get votes ... it's the same thing regardless of the position and looks like it did work for McCain .. sorry . I'm sure if the Democratic party didn't realize a Obama/Hillary ticket represented a double handicap , Hillary would be on the ticket .
McCain is just to old and I'm not sure Palin can step in if needed but time will tell . Obama has Biden to handle the real stuff so , this could be an interesting election .

SmoknDragon

Sep 10 2008, 12:17 am

Is SmoknDragon, not smoky. I dont think its suspicious, when its his intent. After the rep. nat. conv. his numbers didnt change which is good, but obama went down in his. So his strategy didnt work. Hell they cant even agree on some issuses, like abortion. Last I check Hilary isnt on as obama vp. If she was then yes, it would be the same story for obama as well. Im not saying it will NEVER be legal, just its going to be hard as hell, and have to cont. to fight to get what we feel are proper guidelines, If the gov. wants to tax, fine. Im all for that. If they do tax, it could take care of alot of our money problems we are facing now. By the end of september they are predicting a 407,000,000 deficit. A deal could be made, I believe, with the right people from the marijuana comm., and the goverment to put the right "amount" of tax on marijuana. As long as the goverment see that it can get money back into the "system." I do believe the guidlines should be strict and monitored heavily. There are enough people to monitor that part of it, NORML, & MMP. We just need to be sure that it is not taken advantage of, letting kids get their hands on it, doctors going crazy, etc. It can be done. Same goes for hemp.

ok, I hear ya

Sep 9 2008, 7:37 pm

wasnt trying to force feed you words, but the thing is, you did say those who voted third wouldn't have voted if there wasnt a third party taking up their values, or perhaps, pretending to take up their values, and that you write in your own name, because you refuse to support the corperate types who say anything and do everything else, don't you mean the republicans? they best fit that description. especially today. and I know, you still hate the clintons(refering to other posts you've made before)because of a statistic claiming they increased drug arrests, but couldn't that have been coincidence? I'm not sure that they took any direct action to make that happen. plus there was the republican congress, if I remember right. in any case, voting third or write in may seem like a daring act of protest to you, however in the bigger picture, when real change is actually possible, or even when smaller important changes are on the line, voting third or write in is actually a vote against the greater good, oh and yes, I've heard about voter irregularities, the faulty machines and whatnot, infact I saw a very informative movie called "Hacking Democracy" about how Diebold machines and other things can easily be messed with to start out with negative numbers and throw off the count, have you seen that one? everyone should. however that movie showed me something else too, even though the memory cards can be set to cause the count for one side to start at a negative number, if enough people vote, it will still fill the gap and maybe give that side the lead anyway, it just makes it more important for everyone who can to vote.

hey smoky dragon

Sep 9 2008, 6:59 am

Interesting comment about Palin . You find that suspicious or something ? Why do you think the Demos ran Hillary ?( for the woman vote ) . Why do you think they ran Obama ?( for the black vote ) . Surely this isn't a case of the pot calling the kettle black ?

HU210

Sep 9 2008, 6:49 am

You should really stop attempting to put words in my mouth.
I did not state that I vote 3rd party or not at all.
Let me clairify it for you.
Many who vote 3rd party would not have voted at all had the 3rd party not appealed to their values. As for myself. I will write in my own name rather than not vote.
I just wont subscribe to the corperate whores that smile and shake your hand then promise every thing and deliver more of the same BS when elected.
If you want change, you wont find it betting on the favorite ponies. They can only hear $$$.
Had you been paying attention. You would have caught the stories of voting irregularites in Florida and Ohio.
Seems it wasnt the voters having a problem. But those counting the votes causing the problem for Gore and Kerry.
Time for work.

rekt0ne

Sep 9 2008, 6:48 am

i say lock the bitch up,she deserves to see what prison is like.She fucked up and got caught,she should have to deal with the consequences I would so would you. Then you have the person he has running with him.I forget her name,how many times has she cheated on her husband?These are the people who are pro family and anti drug.....they have done nothing but lie to the public.....that shit with Schwarzenegger is fucked up to,any normal person would have had a fine, been locked up at least had their license taken...but nothing for him

never say never

Sep 9 2008, 12:42 am

ever. It will be legal again, this 70something year old mistake will be corrected. mccain is against medical MJ. I doubt he will do anything positive for the cause, if anything he will be a huge negative factor for us to overcome. lots of states approved changes to pot laws, the problem is the feduuural laws, but those can change too, and with a good house, senate and president in place in the future, passing reasonable logical reform will be very possible.

SmoknDragon

Sep 8 2008, 9:24 pm

The only reason why McCain pick Palin is to get the women vote. She is not experinced enough to run a country when McCain dies of a heartattack. He wants to be able to tell her this is how we are doing it, and with her head down she says "ok". We keep saying that we want a President that will decrimilize, the most they will do is MAYBE so medical marijuana is ok. It will NEVER be legal. Even if it is on a federal level the states have to agree. And unfor. there are alot of people who have been arrested for it, meaning they cant vote in the election. Do we REALLY have enough people to vote that havent been arrested, GOD I HOPE SO!!! It is our country, it time we treat it as such.

me again

Sep 8 2008, 8:03 pm

on your first point, you saying that you vote third party or not at all? that's almost the same thing, isn't it? lol, jk, or maybe I'm not. to the second point, I didn't say all of them would, it's just that the third parties and democrats have more in common than you might think, I mean really, how different can libertarians and "liberals" be? lol, seriously though, they do have alot in common, and when given a choice between supporting R's or D's, it's a reasonable assumption that the majority of them would support D's, because they share values and positions. as for them "opening the tent to let drug users in" I don't think pot is a drug, technically, but I know what you meant, anyway I don't think the tent was ever closed, and lots of democrats have supported changing pot laws, alot more than republicans have, not counting repeat performances by that "constitutionalist" Paul.

HU210

Sep 8 2008, 6:51 pm

Well well now. In the sprit of the first amendment I encourage you to openly disagree with me.
That said. You are wrong about "people like me" who vote 3rd party costing Gore or Kerry the election.
First you assume that those who voted 3rd party in those elections would have voted anyway absent 3rd party candidates.
Second you assume that absent the 3rd party candidate to vote for. That all 3rd party voters would automaticly vote democrat.
That is a real reach, not to mention short sighted. But its your story.
If Gore or Kerry and now Obama Would open the tent to let drug users in. They might beat the Republicans in 08.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it!!

X,,to Dale

Sep 7 2008, 10:18 pm

Glad my comment initiated a response!! I can see that you,at least, have been exposed to a man named Jesus. I can also see that you have fire and passion in your heart for the ideal that this country stands for!! Yes,we must PUSH for change and yes,we must help ourselves!! Let me say that nowhere in the Bible does it say that God helps those who help themselves. God's help is free to those who believe He will, and to those who help others, thinking NOT only of themselves. The system has not beaten me down!! I am a combat veteran of the late sixties and would still take up arms today against ANY enemy,foreign or DOMESTIC!!!! The system has made a realist out of me. Short of violent revolution I see no chance of immediate change. This power structure is so entrenched to push against it is like railing against the wind! But if we would truly turn to our Creator ANYTHING is possible. Many wars and battles have been won with His backing!! Having said all this,I must also say I am NOT trying to preach or convert I simply state what I believe! I am a patriot who has come to accept the things I can't change. I ask my God for the courage to change the things I can and also for the wisdom to know the difference. Keep your passion and intellect alive and God bless!!! Oh yea,by the way,two thousand years is a long time which tends to make me think it could be any day now!! (smile)

to hu210

Sep 7 2008, 9:39 pm

do you really think that it's ok to let the republicans win and keep fucking up this country for another 4 or 8 simply to try to "open their minds" instead of telling them what you want from them? you realize that even if they "get the message" that it won't matter because they won't be in power, and the republicans will make their bad ideas permanent, like the "rich people tax cut, poor people tax increase" plan they want to make permanent, and who knows what else they'll fuck up permanently, you really want to risk further damage to our country just because you want to vote for paul? If the "vote for 3rd party to show you want change" gimmick actually worked, it would already have worked from the last few elections, instead we got bush by a small margin, a margin that people like you created without realizing you'd be alot closer to the change you wanted if you had supported gore, or kerry, BTW you realize that Obama is the "change candidate", I know, sounds cliche, but it's true, just tell him what needs to be changed if you think he won't figure it out himself. In short, voting for 3rd parties is a waste, no matter what your reason is.

Dale, to X:

Sep 7 2008, 8:09 pm

Two-thousand years is a long time. Jesus sure doesn't like to visit here much. I wouldn't blame him for that. I was raised with the montra that God helps those who help themselves. Relying on an infrequent visiter to make things alright is way too sheeplike for me. If you want change, then push for it. Otherwise, the establishment will not change. Change always threatens those at the top because they only have downward to fall when change happens. The opposition to change was wery great during the sixeties, and ultimately, led to subatantial violence. The atmosphere now is not quite as oppressive. What we need is another cultural revolution like the one you were a part of long ago. The system may have beaten you down, but I am just getting started. It is time for all the wolfmen/wolfwomen in the world to transform into the creatures that make the control freaks that defy the spirit of the constitution rethink their stance. They push us, and we push back. Fuck em if they don't like it.

to below

Sep 7 2008, 4:59 pm

Right on the mark ! Its a statistic ! Does not follow any party line . I am not a Republican either . But also get the 'oh , you're a Republican " remarks all the time when the statistics threatens some Dumb-ocrats perception of reality . Both parties suck ...thats MY opinion !

HU210

Sep 7 2008, 4:49 pm

I sure am not a Republican. However facts are facts. So if you are calling 60% sentenced to federal time under Clinton scum. Clinton was attempting to double speak this record last March. About the same time Hillary started slipping in the polls.

Nearly 60 percent of those sentenced to federal prison durring the Clinton administration are serving time for drug offences.
The total number of people in federal prison on drug charges--63,448--is 62 percent more that in 1990.

http//sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2001/2/19/MN118967.DTL

I hope that the media starts to question pit bull Palin about weed being legal in Alaska!!
That would bring everyones position to the surface-eh?

HU210

Sep 7 2008, 4:22 pm

My point is simply this.
To reward those who have actually done somthing to repeal the cannabis laws with our votes. Regardless of party affiliation. I support those who walk their talk.

In a close election -as this one may turn out to be- the losing side will and should examine why the little guy held on to the millions of votes against their machine(s) Why did millions of people reject us and choose to write in_______.
Thus opening their tent to genuine new ideas next election.

X

Sep 7 2008, 1:44 pm

The point of the above article is well taken!! What I have come to realize in my lifetime as an american citizen is that the only thing I can really change is myself. I live in the greatest nation on the face of the earth. Do we do everything right? Of course not!!! I speak now to the so-called babyboomers of this country. I,as some others, in the sixties and seventies took to free sex,drugs, and rock&roll as our rite of passage.We took a backseat to the business of running the country. Not that generations before and after did'nt do the same thing! Now we sit back and complain about what IS going on!! Will any man elected from any party institute REAL change? NO!! Can any man not from either major party,i.e.Ron Paul,who may TRY to institute REAL change be elected? NO!! Government of,by,and for the people is a foregone conclusion. The freedom we have is the freedom we can afford!! We are free to pay taxes so lifetime POLITICIANS can sometimes foolishly spend our money. Big money interests and their lobbyists run the country.I call myself X because I am an X cannabis smoker and grower back in the day! I can't smoke now because the company I work for random tests, which I believe is an invasion of privacy!! But what can you do?? I no longer grow, because you stand a chance of losing everything you have,plus spending a long time in jail. Bottom line good smoke is better than alcohol and tobacco,both PROVEN to be harmful. People are given a choice to partake in those DRUGS,but cannabis,which is PROVEN to have medicinal properties is labeled a DANGEROUS drug,go figure!! I did a LOT more stupid stuff drunk than I ever did stoned!!! Well so much for freedom and some of the ills of our country. We will never be perfect,even if they do legalize pot!(HAHA) What we can do,as I said,is change ourselves.Start by believing and trusting in our Lord and Savior Jesus!!! Things will only change with His return. Also learn to love our fellow man as we love ourselves. The true desire of human nature is instant gratification and selfcenteredness and without Jesus in my life that will ALWAYS be the case!! ONE NATION UNDER GOD,INDIVISABLE,WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL!!!! Just do it!!! May God bless and keep us all!!

Sarah

Sep 7 2008, 11:33 am

I got a little pissed reading HU210. The next comment is mine. Sarah

anonymous

Sep 7 2008, 11:24 am

You can sure tell when a repug post a comment. Yeah! It was Clintons fault that a lot of scum was taken off the street. If you ever were robbed and beaten up, or both you would know where I am coming from. You repugs wouldn't understand living in your make believe world.
Please repug expain to me why Emery and Chong got nailed and when. Also under Clinton a person could still buy seeds and glasswear without fear. Now its like being baited.

jnos45

Sep 7 2008, 2:21 am

I can understand why people would be upset about such things like this , but it should not surprise you. High profile people are hardly ever convicted much less charged with drug use. What is so surprising!? It is a classic case of the biggest double standard in our country. And when they sign themselves into a drug rehab center it's only to avoid prosecution. Again, why should this surprise you?

HU210

Sep 6 2008, 7:04 pm

Safer than potatos!!


Rush and Cindy sitting in a tree. Eating pain killers, instead of smoking weed.

How did Mrs. Mcinsane break her wrist. I missed that news clip.

Did I mention that today marks 20 years since Judge Youngs Ruling in DEA RULING 86-22.

Probably the most interesting 68 pages (double spaced) of reading on cannabis, ever written, in my opnion.

Take some time and read it. I am certian that you will be compelled to send NORML a contribution for that work.

I spoke with Jon Gettman(NORML Director at the time) at the Great MJ Harvest Fest in Madison a few weeks after the ruling was rendered.

He had asked Judge about the language and reasoning used in the ruling. The wise Judge replied,"It's time to stop claiming that the earth is flat where marijuana is concerned" That is close to verbatem. Its been 20 years.

umm

Sep 6 2008, 1:37 pm

1Marijuana Man for president of the United States of America! Yay!!!
He has all the qualifications to make decisions with ease. He's always to his job on-time, so he is dependable. His profesion is profesional toker, so what more would you want?
Vote today! :)

rasta

Sep 6 2008, 1:27 pm

Mr.politician ill be waiting for you when you pull in your drive way or maybe in your closet so i can rob you of whatever your worth

rasta

Sep 6 2008, 1:23 pm

well just more reason to vote for obama

WHAT ???

Sep 6 2008, 9:20 am

McCain , a politician , has a double standard problem ?....
.... just like every other politician regardless of the party ?... surely not ! The next thing you know he'll be running for something ! Go figure ......

fred

Sep 6 2008, 4:59 am

wy can all this shit append, but if u go to amstredam...

Mr politican

Sep 5 2008, 11:01 pm

I do not see a problem with this . In fact this is acceptable in american life. If you do not have money then you should go get a low paying no skill job so that you can pay taxes to the priveged few that do live a sheltred life so that we can go out and have a good time on your dollar.Thanks a lot suckers
Mr Politican
P.S
Fuck you little people
P.s.s
Thanks for the vote and the nice job suckers!!
HaHAHa

what

Sep 5 2008, 10:36 pm

life sucks be a politician and you can sit on your ass all day and take from the poor so the rich can get richer

someone

Sep 5 2008, 9:33 pm

sheesh, you're acting like he wrote the fisa bill. Yes he shouldn't have caved to political pressures, it was a lose/lose situation, if he didn't sign it it would mean more ammo for slanderous attack ads, and if he did, he'd be risking giving more power to the wrong hands. sometimes it's about survival. speaking of which, Dale is very correct in his points about offshore drilling, it's all about the money, even at the cost of the enviorment and everyone elses money, they just don't give a fuck as long as it gets them richer, and mccain supports this policy wholeheartedly. how's that for "country first"? what kind of leader would he be? he wants to sell us out to make corperations richer. Just like bush exept worse. still think it doesn't matter who wins? Is it not apparent who the better choice is?

Dale

Sep 5 2008, 8:44 pm

On offshore drilling: Right now oil companies own the rights to drill for oil on huge tracts of land that they are not drilling on. Further, it is much more expensive to drill offshore than on land. The companies want to own the rights for offshore drilling to control future resources. They have no intention of drilling offshore any time soon. In the future, when oil prices are stupendously high, they will begin drilling on land first, to reap those profits, then later, as land oil runs low and prices skyrocket, they will tap ito offshore oil. It is all designed to insure the future of profitmaking at the expense of consumers and, ultimately the health of the world. When polar ice is all gone, it will no longer serve as a buffer to rising world temperatures by converting from solid (ice) to liquid (water) both at 32 degrees farenheight. This energy that converts a substance from solid to liquid is called the "Heat of Fusion." With the buffer of solid ice gone, all heat from sunshine that is obsorbed by this world will go into warming it to higher temperatures, not largely changing ice to water. We are in for some seriously heavy duty natural disaster shit. WE must find greener energy solutions or perhaps the seas will boil! On the brighter side, at least some of the businessmen controlling politics will be able to go out in style, like lobsters boiled alive in pots made of solid gold.

HU210

Sep 5 2008, 8:35 pm

The lesser of 2 evils,still equals-evil.

Seems no one mentions Obamas vote in favor of the FISA bill. You know. The one that gives immunity to telecommunications companys when they cooperate with Uncle Scams spying on everyones phone,internet,etc., allegedly looking for terrorists.

Some example of change there!

look again

Sep 5 2008, 5:56 pm

who's lies were worse? who's lies are more destructive? who is really a liar and who is just being called a liar? does the past really write the future? does support equal control? does every website tell the truth? does that discount the ones that do? who would be the better president? who do you trust? will voting for a third guy really effect anything at all? does he even have a chance to get more than 3%? does talking down to both candidates make you feel smart? isn't it better to choose the lesser evil than to let the greater evil run wild? look around you, all around you, do you like what you see? do you like the world around you? isn't it time, to make a change? think real hard for a second, republicans and republican ideas have been Fucking up this country like it was a cheap whore, republicans aren't "conservative" anymore, thus the term "neo-conserative" comes into play, these neocons are the worst thing to happen to politics after lobbyists. mccain is a neocon. he is a liar, not just a flip floper, which he is too, attacking Obama's ideas then using them as his own, major flip, and a liar, the whole offshore drilling plan is a lie, it will NOT bring gas prices down, this has been proven definitivly. that's not all, he lies about obama all the time, particularly about taxes, obama isn't raising taxes, he's lowering them, and repealing only one tax break that effects the super wealthy, everyone else gets lower taxes. I didn't want to have to list mccains lies, as it would take all day, but some of you just aren't getting it. mccain is THE guy who will say ANYTHING to get elected, the thing some people have falsely accused obama of being. mccain is pure political scum. He is part of the reason that all politicains have a bad rep. well I'll tell you one thing, the politicians that are super corrupt and lie constantly have one thing in common, they are REPUBLICANS!

Obama

Sep 5 2008, 4:49 pm

only thinks of Obama ......
The more time that passes , the less there is to know .

SARAH PALIN

Sep 5 2008, 2:33 pm

YOU KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A HOCKEY MOM AND A PIT BULL? LIPSTICK

B-Snyce

Sep 5 2008, 1:14 pm

I smoke weed. I have grown weed. I will continue to smoke weed. However, I don't think that a candidate's stance on weed should be the deciding factor of an election. It is highly unlikely that weed will be legalized or even de-criminalized in the foreseeable future even if we had a president that was with us on this.

I usually look at all the issues and pick the lesser of the 2 evils. There will not likely ever be a candidate that you will agree with on all of the issues. I would love to see pot at least de-criminalized, but there are much more important things at stake in this election.

I agree that Ron Paul is awesome. He is not a real republican, he's a libertarian. I don't think that writing him in is a good idea. A write in candidate will never win the presidency. Writing in a candidate is basically the same as not voting at all.

As far as legalizing, I think it would be a better situation if we kept selling illegal and allowed people to grow their own and make not-for-profit transfers or trades. If they legalize it outright, the government will regulate potency and tax the hell out of it.

HU210

Sep 5 2008, 6:40 am

Why will Obuma sell out the cannabis consumer?
Because cops, prison gaurds, are union members. Union members vote Democrat.

HU210

Sep 5 2008, 6:17 am

02/18/2001 - Updated 10:38 PM ET


Note: There is a clearer article in the SF Gate. Will find later.


Study: Prisons filled at record pace in Clinton years

WASHINGTON (AP) — More Americans went to prison or jail during the Clinton administration than during any past administration, the result of get-tough policies that led to more prisons, more police officers and longer sentences, a criminal justice think tank reports.

During President Clinton's eight years in office, 673,000 people were sent to state and federal prisons and jails, compared with 343,000 during President Bush's single term and 448,000 in President Reagan's two terms, says a study by the Justice Policy Institute, an arm of The Center on Juvenile and Criminal Justice.

The center advocates more balance between incarceration and treatment for criminals.

The incarceration rate at the end of the Clinton administration was 476 per 100,000 citizens, versus 332 per 100,000 at the end of Bush's term and 247 per 100,000 at the end of Reagan's administration, the study said.

Incarceration rates for blacks increased to 3,620 per 100,000 from around 3,000 per 100,000 people during Clinton's two terms.

Two million people are behind bars and 4.5 million are on probation and parole, according to the study, which is based on Justice Department figures and estimates from 1993 to 2000.

The study blamed the surge in prisoners on Clinton administration initiatives that provided more money to states for prisons, police officers and crime prevention programs. The 1994 crime bill, which gave $30 billion to states, was a major factor, said Vincent Schiraldi, president of the Justice Policy Institute. Other factors included tougher sentencing and the abolition of parole, he said.

Republicans are thought to have more punitive crime policies than Democrats, but the opposite was true during the Clinton administration, Schiraldi said.

"President Clinton stole the show from the 'tough on crime' Republicans," he said.

Allen Beck, chief of corrections statistics at the Bureau of Justice Statistics, disputed the notion that Clinton administration crime initiatives were the prime reason for the burgeoning prison population.

He said many states had already begun tough crime prevention programs before Clinton came to office and tougher sentencing guidelines for federal drug offenders began in the late 1980s.

Moreover, Beck said, people are staying in jail longer because parole boards are not releasing prisoners.

"It's not that more people are going to prison, rather people in prison are staying longer," he said.

Schiraldi urged President Bush to make good on a campaign promise to provide $1 billion to states for local drug treatment programs.

During the campaign, Bush said the surge in the number of prisoners in recent years "is a necessary and effective role of government — protecting our communities from predators." He advocated using charities and religious-based groups to help the children of prisoners and providing money for a pilot prison ministries program.

HU210

Sep 5 2008, 5:56 am

They are both liars, prostituting themselves for campaign contributions.
Reject the BS. Write in Ron Paul or Dennis Kucinich or your own name.

These two bums( McSame-Obummer) wont do anything positive for the cannabis consumer.

Yes, I have heard the BS that they cant get elected if they take a stand in favor of weed.

However, I can remember when Clinton said that he "didnt inhale". People jumped on his band wagon. I can recall many saying. He is our guy. At least he has had the stuff to his lips. He will do somthing for us if he is elected.
He did. He jailed more than Raygun or BitchBush#1!

Then when elected. The -there are bigger problems than weed- to deal with mantra,was recited ad nauseum.

Same thing is going on here with Obuma. People think that he is weed friendly because he smoked some in his youth. Forgetting that he also has said that it was a mistake.
Implying that it is a mistake for everyone else also.

Go ahead, vote for one of these whores. Forget that neither one has introduced, co-sponcered or voted in favor of weed.
Four years from now we will still be here bitching and doing nothing to help ourselves.

Ron Paul Has introduced and co-sponcered bills favoring weed.
Food for thought.

Obama is a liar

Sep 5 2008, 4:52 am

I just googled OBAMA LIES and you wouldn't believe the hits . Flipflops as bad as John Kerry . Oh well , I guess its how much faith you put into the internet hype and spin factories .
To the poster below : I'm sure you could have turned it off ?

mccain is a Liar

Sep 5 2008, 2:16 am

Mccain is a bigger liar than Bill Clinton. Seriously, so much bullshit comes out of his mouth that I'm suprised anyone can hear him, it's painful to listen to, his speech last night is being replayed on fox, I'm watching it now, it's sickening how much he deliberatly lies, it's making me want to drink a gallon of gin and throw the bottle at my tv, so far there's been 3 protesters, 2 at once, then another one after that. he told the crowd to ignore the "brown noise and static". Damn mccain is such a horrible person, his bullshit is overflowing now, spinning, boiling hot diseased bullshit. and now it's over, thank god. I thought I was going to throw up for a minute, I'm still feeling dizzy. I did a search for "mccain lies" a minute ago, no suprise that lots of sites with lists of mccain's lies showed up, some of them I knew, some were pretty interesting, then there was one or two sites with "lies about mccain" I looked at them too, "mccain isn't a loyal republican" is the only thing they address, typical fluff pieces. overall it is very evident that Mccain is a Liar. I'll say it again, because I really really mean it, MCCAIN IS A DIRTY DIRTY LIAR!

Dale

Sep 4 2008, 6:58 pm

Nothing to be sorry about HU210. I think I will join NORMAL and begin a more active life in regards to activism. That will at least be something I can be proud of. Also, Umm, you are right about us needing to utilize more sustainable and renewable and cleaner forms of energy. Rue the day when the average daytime temperature is 120 degrees and Florida is at the bottom of the ocean. How great will America be then? It's a quandry, How do we get greed out of politics?????????????

HU210

Sep 4 2008, 5:16 pm

Darn was I high when I posted last night.
The excerpt below is from DEA Ruling 86-22
Sorry about that.

nutcase

Sep 4 2008, 4:37 pm

Legalization will never be permited as long as alcohol and pharmaceutical companies have the monoply on cash going to our goverment, but somethings got to change. People that need weed for medical uses need them now. Manmade booze,God made grass, who do you trust.

US Citizen

Sep 4 2008, 4:10 pm

a vote for McCain is a vote for the death of America.

Poof

Sep 4 2008, 2:26 pm

The reality of this situation is clear. Politicians think they're smarter than the average American citizen due to the fact that they regularly take substantial amounts of money from us without us knowing. As a result, they play mind games with us while they're standing at the podium. Their way of getting elected is to control the way our minds work. Manipulation. They try to guilt us into feeling bad for them, and to forgive them for what they did. But the problem is that they're in the same shoes as us, they just can't admit it. How many people have resorted to weed or prescription drugs or alcohol to help aleviate a problem of theirs? That's what Cindy did. Now she's realized she's done something illegal, just like us, but she's done something worse than us. She couldnt stop at manipulating the people, she had to manipulate the charitable organization she controls. DONT YOU SEE ALL POLITICIANS DO IS MANIPULATE. MANIPULATE TO GET WHAT THEY WANT, AND THEY ALWAYS GET WHAT THEY WANT. It needs to stop. ive resorted to weed, acool and prescription drugs before. My parents found them and had me arrested, and that's despite the fact that they were my SOLE PROBLEM. I was just trying to help myself like Cindy, but i got arrested and charged and fined and all that shit. Fuck that. thats what they said to me and thats what we need to say to that bitch. Tell Cindy McCain to eat a dick and stop hurting her own citizens with lies, manipulation and alcohol. We dont want these manipulative people running our government! You all think Bush is bad? Just take a look at John McCain and tell me what you think goes on in that man's head. I can assure you it has nothing to do with the good of the people, and more about how he can stop his wife from being incriminated, or how he can make MORE MONEY OFF OF US. dont you guys get it? government is supposed to be for the people and BY THE PEOPLE. we need to et some PEOPLE in the whitehouse. and yes, by saying people, i am most definitely insinuating that John McCain and Cindy are not people, and in that they do not deserve to be alive, much less run our government and control our lives

umm

Sep 4 2008, 1:38 pm

re: So,
Good point, kind patron of the forum:)

So...

Sep 4 2008, 12:44 pm

maybe Palin was added to the ticket to take the heat off Cindy?? Hmmm...

umm

Sep 4 2008, 12:06 pm

Actually, things appear the same, although, my imbibery makes me feel like I can cope pretty well:)

umm

Sep 4 2008, 1:34 am

I hear you Dale. What we need are real leaders. We need people who will stop all wars. We need to harness the wasted tidal waters to power generators to charge peoples car batteries, and supply power to the nation for free. We need to re-enact the homesteading act so all will be able to own a home if they desire. We need to stop being partial to the rich, and share the land, so that all can have their own place, and live in peace with out fear of the government sticking their unfriendly nose in our business. The people have given too much power to the warmongers. Repubs and demos are both warmongers, although the demos MAY leave med patients alone, although I'll believe that when I see it, cause the only ones out there worth voting for are Ron Paul, or Mr Kucinich, but we will see. Maybe things will look better after a good nite's sleep.......

Dale

Sep 4 2008, 1:23 am

Oh yeah, pot provides relief for nausia...Hmmmm.....

Dale

Sep 4 2008, 1:16 am

Quite simply, I am utterly disgusted with the republicans. Sure, the democrats are chock full of political bull, but it's not all bull. The republicans, on the other hand, make me feel like barfing every time one of them opens their lying mouth. Watching the republican speakers play gullible sheep for fools by spouting crap like, "America is the greatest nation on earth" and "Place America before your own needs," convinces me that the USA is populated by people who want to be lied to, robbed, and like it while it happens. At one time, Rome encompassed a far greater proportion of the worlds population than the USA ever has. Ultimately, it was the resentment other cultures had for Rome that resulted in its fall from power. With international approval ratings nearly at single digit figures, how long will it be before the USA follows the same path of disintigration as Rome? Answer: not long. Every year a half a trillion dollars worth of the USA is bought up by forien investers. This is the legacy of the republicans who allow this to happen because it lines their pockets with money. They will destroy America with their policies if given the chance. Apparently, it's what they want. Oh and by the way...PROSECUTE CINDY McCAIN AS A GESTURE OF GOOD FAITH TO THE REAL PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY. THEN, PERHAPS, I'LL CONSIDER STEMMING MY NAUSIA...

HU210

Sep 3 2008, 9:50 pm

SHE STOOD UP UNAIDED!!!

8. A healthy, athletic young woman named Valerie Cover was
stricken with multiple sclerosis while in her early twenties. She
consulted several medical specialists and followed all the customary
regimens and prescribed methods for coping with this debilitating disease
over a period of several years. None of these proved availing. Two
years after first experiencing the symptoms of multiple sclerosis her
active, productive life - as an athlete, Navy officer's wife and mother -
was effectively over. The Social Security Administration declared her
totally disabled. To move about her home she had to sit on a skateboard
and push herself around. She spent most of her time in bed or sitting in
a wheelchair.

9. An occasional marijuana smoker in her teens, before her
marriage, she had not smoked it for five years as of February 1986. Then
a neighbor suggested that marijuana just might help Mrs. Cover's multiple
sclerosis, having read that it had helped cancer patient's control their
emesis. Mrs. Cover acceded to the suggestion.

10. Just before smoking the marijuana cigarette produced by her
neighbor, Mrs. Cover had been throwing up and suffering from spasms.
Within five minutes of smoking part of the marijuana cigarette she
stopped vomiting, no longer felt nauseous and noticed that the intensity
of her spasms was significantly reduced. She stood up unaided.

11. Mrs. Cover began smoking marijuana whenever she felt
nauseated. When she did so it controlled her vomiting, stopped the
nausea and increased her

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appetite. It helped ease and control her spasticity. Her limbs were
much easier to control. After three months of smoking marijuana she
could walk unassisted, had regained all of her lost weight, her seizures
became almost nonexistent. She could again care for her children. She
could drive an automobile again. She regained the ability to lead a
normal life.

12. Concerned that her use of this illegal substance might
jeopardize the career of her Navy officer husband, Mrs. Cover stopped
smoking marijuana several times. Each time she did so, after about a
month, she had retrogressed to the point that her multiple sclerosis
again had her confined to bed and wheelchair or skateboard. As of the
Spring of 1987 Mrs. Cover had resumed smoking marijuana regularly on an
"as needed" basis. Her multiple sclerosis symptoms are under excellent
control. She has obtained a full-time job. She still needs a wheelchair
on rare occasions, but generally has full use of her limbs and can walk
around with relative ease.

13. Mrs. Cover's doctor has accepted the effectiveness of
marijuana in her case. He questioned her closely about her use of it,
telling her that it is the most effective drug known in reducing
vomiting...

20 years now have passed come Sept. 6 2008, and our government criminals still deny the sick and ill.

What are you going to do this election year?

Sit on your ass getting high?

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umm

Sep 3 2008, 9:18 pm

re: dj, What I would have prefered the lame dj saying, is simply the truth. That marijuana IS safer than water, so whats the big deal. No. Instead he goes off on a rant about how awfull it is for someone to do that. Meanwhile in his mind I'm sure he believes drinking is "ok" cause his government says its ok in the laws. Stupid.

umm

Sep 3 2008, 9:12 pm

Oh, and dj, you moron. Let me elucidate to you something. You're a little slow.

umm

Sep 3 2008, 9:08 pm

In my fine opinion, Ron Paul or Denace Kucinich whould win, but then the news is tainted with lies and cover ups that say otherwise, so when you have an election that mean spirited rich people fix, you have nothing but a payed advertisement, with the delusion that voting your vote counts. I don't believe the news, and I don't believe the sheeple know what they are doing when they watch the lies on the news, and think the lies are facts.
So, I am not studying politics, cause I am not going to waist my time. Politics are nothing but lies created by the rich, to keep the rich people rolling in their cash. Politics are an insult to intelligence. Look what lies the political leaders say, and tell me other wise. Look how all the medical groups say Marijuana is safer than water, and can stop cancer in our bodies, yet the prohibitionist political parties want to continue a war on innocent people. Its appalling. Well, gotta toke...♥

Bluesmoke

Sep 3 2008, 7:23 pm

Simply repulsive, disgusting, hypocritical, psychotic behavior...and McCain grins for the camera and tells us to trust him.

His wife is a scumbag...and his willingness to tolerate 4 years of a painkiller addiction in his wife, and try to hide it from the public says way too much about his (lack of) character. He and his wife can both rot in HELL!

PLEASE...Someone in authority at HT or the original source...PLEASE get this to the mainstream media... Once and for all let the public see what McCain is REALLY all about!

Bluesmoke

Sep 3 2008, 7:18 pm

Sickening... Simply disgusting, two-faced, immoral, psychotic behavior... And McCain grins for the camera and tells us to trust him.

His wife is a scumbag, and for the first time ev erin my posts I'll utter one word of profanity. They can both rot in HELL!

PLEASE...Someone in authority at HT or the original source...PLEASE get this to the mainstream media and let the public know what McCain is REALLY all about.

PoliceOfficer

Sep 3 2008, 7:13 pm

McCain's wife is junkie too?

I guess that means I haveta vote for Obama.

hmmm

Sep 3 2008, 6:55 pm

And why is this news? Doesn't matter what you do if you have the $$$$$$$$$ and political suck.

But don't any of you criminals think that you can get away with it!!!! Damn sick IMO.

dj to umm

Sep 3 2008, 5:30 pm

would you prefer a lie ? ok " well its not against the law " ..there , all better ? ......fuckin nut ...

setin it str8

Sep 3 2008, 5:05 pm

Well guys if life tought me any thing its to stay in school be a public figuer do what u want like drugs,lieing to ur country men gaining there trust take em hunting shoot em in the ass and get away with all of it and smoke a blunt in the oval office to show how u got it like that

umm

Sep 3 2008, 4:52 pm

A local dj who thinks his shit doesn't stink was asked if a player on the news who got caught with cannabis was a big deal, and the dj said "well, its against the law!". This state is against cannabis. The laws here are moronic in nature. That is telling of the ignoranamouses that we are faced with daily. With morons like the dj who doesn't realize the benefits of the wonderful cannabis, and spreading their hate, it has been a trying day for me.

umm

Sep 3 2008, 2:08 pm

I was wondering why the article didn't mention the alcohol distribution.
the mcains are not fit to lead anyway, cause they want to take away the medical need for cannabis by those who need it the most.

Don't forget to educate everyone you know about jury nullification.

pete

Sep 3 2008, 2:05 pm

Well ladies and gents this is what our america has turned into. Land of the free?, oh no LAND OF THE RICH. Ive seen mothers lose their kids for the same thing this women did, im fixing to go to jail for 6 months maybe more for 4 painkillers. The truely sad thing about this all is that there are actually people that put all that hypocritical bullshit to the side and still support her with her precription stealing(thats a felony), booze dealing, theiving(from charity) ass. THERE REALLY IS NO HOPE FOR HUMANITY.

420Viper

Sep 3 2008, 1:41 pm

Cindy also runs a beer distributorship she inherited from her late father. Drug dealer and ex(?)-drug addict.

Another example of hypocritical politicians.

If your states ballot has a write-in line for President, write in RON PAUL, R-TX.

Weedom Writer

Sep 3 2008, 12:31 pm

Man the only reason she did get locked up, is because she has money....with money comes power and an undeniable ammount of respect by others; thus no crimes or penalties. Its been the same since the kings and queens of camelot guys. We as those without vast amounts of wealth and riches are squandered by those who with the flick of a wrist get everything they'd want or need. Its a sad fucking world we live in...Trial that bitch everyone deserves to see both sides of life the rich and the poor.

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