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Taxing Pot Could Become a Political Toking Point

An Assemblyman from San Francisco argues that it's time to tax and regulate the state's biggest cash crop in the same manner as alcohol. Opponents say it would create new costs for society.

Tue, Feb 24, 2009 11:29 am


Source: www.latimes.com 

 

Reporting from Sacramento -- Could Cannabis sativa be a salvation for California's fiscal misfortunes? Can the state get a better budget grip by taxing what some folks toke?

 

An assemblyman from San Francisco announced legislation Monday to do just that: make California the first state in the nation to tax and regulate recreational marijuana in the same manner as alcohol.

 

Buoyed by the widely held belief that cannabis is California's biggest cash crop, Assemblyman Tom Ammiano contends it is time to reap some state revenue from that harvest while putting a damper on drug use by teens, cutting police costs and even helping Mother Nature.

 

"I know the jokes are going to be coming, but this is not a frivolous issue," said Ammiano, a Democrat elected in November after more than a dozen years as a San Francisco supervisor. "California always takes the lead -- on gay marriage, the sanctuary movement, medical marijuana."

 

Anti-drug groups are anything but amused by the idea of California collecting a windfall from the leafy herb that remains illegal under federal law.

 

"This would open another door in Pandora's box," said Calvina Fay, executive director of Save Our Society From Drugs. "Legalizing drugs like this would create a whole new set of costs for society."

 

Ammiano's measure, AB 390, would essentially replicate the regulatory structure used for beer, wine and hard liquor, with taxed sales barred to anyone under 21.

 

He said it would actually boost public safety, keeping law enforcement focused on more serious crimes while keeping marijuana away from teenagers who can readily purchase black-market pot from peers.

 

The natural world would benefit, too, from the uprooting of environmentally destructive backcountry pot plantations that denude fragile ecosystems, Ammiano said.

 

But the biggest boon might be to the bottom line. By some estimates, California's pot crop is a $14-billion industry, putting it above vegetables ($5.7 billion) and grapes ($2.6 billion). If so, that could mean upward of $1 billion in tax revenue for the state each year.

 

"Having just closed a $42-billion budget deficit, generating new revenue is crucial to the state's long-term fiscal health," said Betty Yee, the state Board of Equalization chairwoman who appeared with Ammiano at a San Francisco news conference.

 

Also in support of opening debate on the issue are San Francisco Sheriff Mike Hennessey and retired Orange County Superior Court Judge James Gray, a longtime legalization proponent.

 

"I'm a martini guy myself," Ammiano said. "But I think it's time for California to ... look at this in a truly deliberative fashion."

 

He sees the possibility of an eventual truce in the marijuana wars with Barack Obama now in the White House.

 

A White House spokesman declined to discuss Ammiano's legislation, instead pointing to a transition website that says the president "is not in favor of the legalization of marijuana."

 

Several cities in California and around the nation have adopted laws making marijuana the lowest law enforcement priority, including Santa Barbara, Santa Monica, Denver and Seattle.

 

Oakland went even further in 2004, requiring pot to be taxed if it is legalized.

 
But where Ammiano sees taxes, pot foes see trouble.
 

They say easier access means more problems with drug dependency among adults, heavier teen use and an increase in driving while high.

 

"If we think the drug cartels are going to tuck their tails between their legs and go home, I think we're badly mistaken," Fay said.

 
"They're going to heavily target our children."


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tree

Jul 28 2009, 3:28 pm

one day? Make it today!
$1,000 per plant, pay the Man!

tree

Jul 28 2009, 3:18 pm

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$1,000 per plant, pay the Man!

one day

Mar 4 2009, 6:14 pm

All i can think about when i read articles like this is if they have to think about this as a way of helping our nation. Then their should be no questions about it being legal or not it should be legal. If the people who have to make the monney for this country have to think should marijuna be legal because it could help. Then they should not mess with someone who wants to smoke a joint in there home after they just worked a full long days work.

HU210

Mar 3 2009, 11:31 am

by Politico.com
Tuesday January 27, 2009, 3:50 AM


On this day in 1791, after a vigorous debate, the House, by a vote of 35-21, approved legislation imposing an excise tax on whiskey. The levy proved highly unpopular and sparked a brief armed revolt — known as the Whiskey Rebellion — against the federal government, which had been established in 1789.

At protest meetings, opponents of the tax cited the Stamp Act of 1765, which helped foster the successful uprising against the British crown. Western farmers regarded the tax as unfair and discriminatory. They earned much of their income by distilling their spare grain into liquor, and they were incensed that the tax was aimed at producers, not consumers.

In 1794, some farmers in western Pennsylvania attacked federal officials seeking to collect tax on the grain they had distilled into whiskey. One group of resisters, disguised as women, assaulted a tax collector, cropped his hair, tarred and feathered him and stole his horse. President George Washington dispatched 13,000 militia men under his personal command to put down the incipient revolt. Resistance quickly dissipated after the troops arrived.

Alexander Hamilton, the first secretary of the treasury, joined Washington in the field to put down the rebellion. Hamilton had proposed the tax on distilled spirits to raise revenue to pay down the national debt. It had soared after the federal government assumed debts incurred by states in the Revolutionary War as part of the grand bargain that led to the adoption of the U.S. Constitution.

Hamilton said the tax would serve “more as a measure of social discipline than as a source of revenue.” But, perhaps most important, he wanted the tax to advance and secure the power of the nascent federal government.

Source: Historian, Office of the U.S. House Clerk

Watch for the upcomming Reefer tax rebellion when the gov attempts to over tax weed. Probably with the same reasoning= need $$$$$$$ to pay for war on terror,etc.

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bipolarmania

Mar 1 2009, 5:42 pm

They'd rather have us locked down on these highly toxic so called good meds that 5 years later have highly induced lawsuits on them because they are the dealin death to this county than having something created from mother nature man nutured . I dont get it... Its all hipocritacal bs and just because they cant get a complete control on making their money on it like with the alcohol prohibition back in the day... i have nothing else to say... puff puff pass nuff said

WEEDGOD

Feb 28 2009, 9:36 pm

LOCAL GOVERNMENT & THE US GOVERNMENT WILL NEVER LEGALIZE IT,BUT THEY SURE CAN ALLOW OTHERS, TO LAMPOON THE PRESIDENT AS A MONKEY AND MAKE WATERMELON COMMENTS!

FUCK THE GOVERNMENT!!! THE WEED WILL ALWAYS BE LEGAL TO ME,I DONT NEED A STATE TO MAKE IT SO!

THE MIGHTY WEEDGOD HAS SPOKEN!!!

longbong

Feb 28 2009, 1:00 am

that or pay for a permit to grow your i wish jersey would do something like that it is the garden state lol

WeedHead

Feb 27 2009, 4:22 pm

I believed in legalized weed because i love it. all most everyone in this 21st century like smoking marijuana. It's about time to start doing the right thing with marijuana. I hope Obama listen to the people that elected him. Marijuana is a herb and is good for you health.

lifted

Feb 26 2009, 10:36 pm

Fuck that shit. They lock people up and take away their whole lives for doing this shit, but it's all good all of the sudden if they get in on the action. Typical.

gstlab3

Feb 26 2009, 8:36 pm

I INVITE ANY ONE IN THIS FORUM TO WRITE A WELL DEFINED LAW CONCERNING THE GROWING OF ,THE SALE OF.,THE PENALTIES FOR SUPPLING JUVENILES.,THE PENALTIES FOR DRIVING IMPARED.,HOW MUCH COULD BE GROWN FOR PERSONAL USE? HOW WOULD YOU TAX IT AT THE COMMERCIAL LEVEL!? COULD A PERSON SUPPLY THE LOCAL FARMERS MARKET AND BE GARENTEED A FAIR MARKET VALUE!? WOULD YOU BE SUBJECT TO ANY OF THE LAWS GOVERNING ORGANIC FOODS AND HERBS AND VEGATABLES!? COULD IT BE EXPORTED?,on and on and on., I JUST HOPE AND PRAY THE DRUG WAR IS NOT ESSCALATED DUE TO THE DEGENERATION OF THE CONDITIONS IN MEXICO AND IT'S LACK OF GOOD POLICY TOWARDS IT'S OWN PEOPLE.,HERE IN THE STATES THE WAR IS CREEPING QUIETLY AND WITH SPORRAIDIC VIOLENCE NORTH INTO THE STATES BORDERING MEXICO.,THIS WAR HAS BASICALLY DESTROYED MEXICO AND IT'S ABILITY TO GOVERN.,JUST PRAY IT IS NOT TO LATE TO REVERSE THE DRUG INSANITY,

420blazeup

Feb 26 2009, 3:30 pm

so when will we know if this does pass and what all states will pass this bill? i think its a great great thing i mean, if ur over the age to smoke (18-21) then i dont see the problem is in smoking pot or blazing your brains out. i mean pot doesnt kill u, its the people that get jelous and start taking your money, cuz they have no job or the cops busted them and they got fines to paid but god damn hit me up blaze up im high

planning ahead

Feb 26 2009, 3:16 am

um ok so we all know it will happen one day were the hell is every one going to meet? i think every one i mean every one ppl this is the monment we have all been waiting for we have to meet some were throw down the illest smoke fest i mean when it happens millions of ppl in and all around the white house or some thing just blazing!!! omg some one should start plaaning this!!!

USA(the assholes)

Feb 25 2009, 1:20 pm

just legalize!dont worry about driving high.....just keep worryin about drinking and driving....legalization is going to reduce the drinking toll anyways.....that would be great with all the bad effects from alchol.....i hate this country!!!you know the "pigs" wont stand for it though knowing how much money they will loose from their pot bust income.....indiana...you get caught with just a joint your spending the night in jail......

i love you sweet leaf

Feb 25 2009, 4:35 am

its time for the decriminalization! we no longer live the 50's. the gov needs to actually give us the freedom to decide for ourselves. (thats kind of a weird concept eh? freedom to make our own decisions?) not everyone who tries marijuana even likes it. and those of us users who ARE responsible, use it in the privacy and comfort of our own homes, so what the hell is wrong with that?

as far as worrying about our kids, its an asinine excuse for parents who cant take responsibility for themselves to raise their own children. plus i seriously doubt that the cartel is going to be hanging around schools to sell to kids who could easily get it from an older friend or family member(just like how most teens get alcohol and cigarettes).

the only reason that i can see why this bill probably will not pass(besides the dumbshit officials not even taking the time to sensibly consider it) is that it will affect other states regulations regarding possession. because there WILL be people road tripping to cali. but hopefully it does pass and other states adapt the legislature too. the fed gov. needs to step in (as they do for every other personal matter) and just legalize it entirely, maybe than they can cut a few billion dollars out of the "war on drugs" that they piss away every year.

well thats it, sorry for any "offensive" language.support NORML!

DROSKYTX

Feb 24 2009, 11:41 pm

they better not charge 50 an ounce. that shyt better be sum reggie. cuz if that shyts dro ima be 1 pissed ma fucka haha.

support ur local pot dealer n buy from him
only the best
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DROSKY!

Dank4Sure

Feb 24 2009, 8:56 pm

haha Dbag that shits funny lol yeah dumb bitch who buys half???? if not more of the black market if we were to legalize it throughout the country and tax it> It would be the smartest thing this Country ever did!!!!!!!

D-Bag

Feb 24 2009, 7:15 pm

"They're going to heavily target our children."

I've got news for you, lady. It's a real shocker too. Are you ready for this?

THEY ALREADY ARE.

...

Feb 24 2009, 4:00 pm

legalize or decriminalize shit millions of people support. stop enslaving our nation over pot. whatever happen to our rights?

..

Feb 24 2009, 2:16 pm

Well ya see this what was expected as we get closer to the last part of the countdown... you get somthin nice to actually say yeah for the US citizens.. THEN you get the govnt wanting to squeeze the life out of it.

U should be able to grow your own.. but not distribute it! That's how you tax and liscence.. but what will we see...

looking forward to the FIRST MARJIUANA FEST!! YEAH HA!

anonymous

Feb 24 2009, 1:55 pm

ever hear of the boston tea party? it was all about taxes, or OVER TAXATION for that matter. This issue shouldn;t be a free for all for politicians to abuse their power and OVER tax a naturally occuring plant. My reatest fear of legalization is that people in power will abuse their power and unfairly tax and charge high prices.

Their goal should be to bring the prices down to the point that mexican drug cartels can;t make any profit. If herb was next to free then you'd see a dramatic drop in border smuggling and violence. A moron can tell you that.

Decrimianlization is the way to go. Tax it, but not at $50 an ounce. Should be more like 5 to 10 bucks per ounce. Legalization opens doors for the herb to be "controlled" by the government. They shouldn't tell us how much TCH is an acceptable amount. That would be bullshit and they will destroy the potency that everyone desires.

reality check

Feb 24 2009, 1:33 pm

history is a wonderful thing that when looked upon can teach valuable lessons. it would do these anti drug people some good to look at the prohibition of alchohol. Alchohol was made illegal only to be legalized a few yrs later. Why? it wasn't that someone woke up one day and said, agh liquor aint so bad. They realized that making it illegal made things worse. Violent gangs cornered the market buying moonshine from poor appalaichain people and saleing it for huge profits. people were also making dangerous batches of moonshine in their bathtubs. It is dilusional to think prohibiton does anything to get rid of drugs. All it does is make the situation worse.

Clay

Feb 24 2009, 1:30 pm

enemies should be buried deeper than that.

Clay

Feb 24 2009, 1:26 pm

And we all know adoption is the ultimate laziness. Grow tip 4 the day: For the outdoors type. Get some fish,and don't steal em,you'll get hit with a baseball bat,dig a hole at prospective plant site about 12 to 15 inch's deep and plant the fish,for when the plant gets big enough too use it,and it breaks the ground up,giving the roots an easier path too follow. 6" or 8" fish is big enough,even a 4",but no whales,porpoises or the body of that last enemy that pissed you off.

420ill

Feb 24 2009, 1:16 pm

calvina fey...we don't want to be in your society any more! how do you speak for everybody or anyone?? thank you democrat ammiato,rick steves,barney frank etc..thank you for standing up for all the adults in the world who have a mind of their own. responsible and legal pot smoking is all we're after . illinois wake up to the bill being proposed in california!! stop locking up people ! corporations stop taking our pee and hair and whatever other rediculous things you use against hard working people. pot smokers too, don't go to work stoned!! act like an adult! why would you want to ruin a good high! law enforcement go after the real drugs that cause as much damage as drinking! please let's get this bill passesd and get this economy growing again! peace and freedom will live again in america and bring our troops home so we can all take a good and legal toke!!!

Clay

Feb 24 2009, 1:08 pm

And if all your efforts with positive input,tender advice the child grows up too about 12 or 13 and stands there with both hands on its hips and tells you to go fuck your self,pick up a baseball bat,and go screw some more too try again.

umm

Feb 24 2009, 1:08 pm

An earlier post from a poster called "gstlab3" seemed so true and important that I wanted to repost it...Thanks gstlab3♥

IF YOU TAKE THE MILLSTONE AWAY FROM A MAN IT IS AS IF YOU KILLED HIM.,BY DEPRIVING A MAN OF HIS ABILITY TO SECURE A LIVING FOR HIMSELF AND HIS FAMILY IT IS AS IF YOU MURDERED THEM ALL. TO BE FREE AND SECURE IN ONES LIVING., ONE MUST HAVE THE RIGHTS TO OWNERSHIP OF PROPERTY AND THE WAYS AND MEANS OF PRODUCTION.FOR WITHOUT THESE SECURITY OF LIFE AND FORTUNE ARE LOST TO THE GOVERNMENTS WHO RETAIN AND CONTROLL THE AFFOREMENTIONED!!! THINK PLEASE oh PLEASE LET THERE BE ENOUGH FREE THINKING INDIVIDUALS OUT THERE TO WRENCH THE BINDS OF TYRANY FROM THE PEOPLEs' "MILLSTONES".

Clay

Feb 24 2009, 12:44 pm

We are a society of megaphone moms and dads,we lay on the coach or in the recliner,and HOLLER "Don't DO that,and turn back too the tv and the child does what it wants,and when it grows up,the child has no concept of what NO means. And you don't have too beat the child. Just get off your ass and tell
the child no,and enforce it with the moving the child from the
problem,and I'm talking from the time they start moving around
until they learn what NO means. I'm truly sorry that when the parents were making the child that they didn't understand that they were gonna have too do anything besides screw too get them.

Clay

Feb 24 2009, 12:32 pm

And if the kids steal too get money for pot,that too is the fault of their guardian,because the parent failed in his duty too the child and society too teach the child honesty.

420Viper

Feb 24 2009, 12:31 pm

Calvina Fay is the grand queen goddess bitch of prohibition, and used to run Straight Inc., Essentially a torture center for kids modeled after North Korean POW camps in the Korean war.

Here's an article where Jack Cole of LEAP owns her bitch ass using facts instead of right-wing, prohibitionist fear mongering dogma. It made my day, I hope it makes yours.


http://transform-drugs.blogspot.com/2008/10/drug-free-america-foundation-clash-with.html

Clay

Feb 24 2009, 12:26 pm

Sorry Fay,that won't float. They will target the poor little kids parents who are stupid enough too give a child enough money too buy pot. Quit trying too blame other people for the failure too properly guide your children too adulthood.

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