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High Stakes: A Call to Legalize Marijuana

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Source: www.cbsnews.com 

 

A high-stakes political battle is underway in the cash-strapped state of California. At issue is the narrowly-defined liberty people have there to grow and sell a certain plant . . . and the desire of some folks to have the state government TAX it. John Blackstone reports our Cover Story:

 
 

In Oakland, Calif., Richard Lee runs a string of businesses, from coffee shops to glass blowing that are helping revitalize the once-decaying downtown.

 

But Lee's business empire is built on an unusual foundation: Selling marijuana

 

In the back of his Blue Sky Coffee Shop there's a steady stream of cash buyers, and not just for coffee.

 

"In the front you get the coffee and pastries, and in the back you get the cannabis," Lee said.

 

A salesman told customers, "You're welcome to pull the bags out and smell the herb as you like."

 

What's going on here is illegal under federal law, but permitted under California law that since 1996 has allowed marijuana for medical use.

 

A dozen other states have similar laws. One customer named Charles said pot is exactly what his doctor ordered.

 

"So that's what relieves my anxiety and allows me to cope and feel good," he said.

 

Lee has dubbed his Oakland neighborhood "Oaksterdam" . . . with a nod to Amsterdam and its liberal drug laws. His goal is to make this a tourist destination, with marijuana its main attraction.

 

"Does that worry people around here?" asked Blackstone.

 

"No, people around here love it 'cause they see how much we've improved the neighborhood," Lee said.

 

Next door to where Lee sells marijuana, Gertha Hays sells clothes. She says the dispensary brings people from all walks of life. "There's no particular pothead," she said, "so everyone comes over there."

 

"So these aren't just druggies in there?" Blackstone asked.

 

"No, not at all. If you look and see who comes up and down the block you'll see it's so diverse," Hays said.

 

Part of the Oaksterdam neighborhood is a nursery growing a cash crop: Medical marijuana is now estimated to be a $2 to 3 billion business in California.

 

"Yeah, there's a lot of people making a lot of money," lee said.

 

There are now several hundred medical marijuana dispensaries in California . . . and much more marijuana being sold on the street.

 

"We estimate, overall, [the] California cannabis industry is in the neighborhood of around $15 billion," lee said.

 

While there is disagreement over the real size of the marijuana market it's big enough to have captured the attention of lawmakers trying to fill a huge hole in the state budget.

 

Assemblyman Tom Ammiano is pushing legislation to legalize pot so the state can inhale new taxes.

 

"I thought it was high time, no pun intended, for this to be on the table," Ammiano said. "I'm trying to beat everybody to the punch with the jokes, because I get a lot of 'em," he laughed.

 

There are many who ridicule the idea, but the state tax board estimates Ammiano's proposed tax of $50 an ounce could bring in $1.5 to 2 billion a year.

 

"We find that highly unlikely," said Rosalie Pacula, of the Rand Drug Policy Research Center. She says California is likely to be disappointed by the revenue raised on marijuana that now sells for about $150 an ounce.

 

"If you try to impose a tax that is that high, you have absolutely no incentive for the black market to disappear," she said. "There is complete profit motive for them to actually stay."

 

The tax proposal, though, has started an unusual political discussion. According to one poll, 56 percent of California voters say marijuana should be legalized and taxed. Even California's Republican governor has not snuffed out talk of legalization.

 

"No, I think it's not time for that, but I think it's time for debate," Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger said. "All of those ideas for creating extra revenues, I'm always for an open debate on it."

 

Of course, Governor Schwarzenegger, from his earlier life, does have some experience… as does the president himself.

 

"I inhaled, frequently," Mr. Obama admitted on the campaign trail, in a nod to President Bill Clinton's earlier quasi-admission. "That was the point."

 

And while the president says he is opposed to legalizing pot ("No, I don't think that is a good strategy to grow our economy"), his administration has ordered the DEA to stop raiding state-approved medical marijuana dispensaries.

 

It's a big change from decades of viewing the plant as the indisputable evil portrayed in the 1936 film "Reefer Madness."

 

But that old image has been going up in smoke for decades.

 

It was along for the trip in 1969 in the movie "Easy Rider," and on the cover of Life Magazine. On TV today it's just a part of suburban life in the series "Weeds."

 

And then there's the growing recognition of marijuana as medicine.

 

"Marijuana has been a medicine for 5,000 years," said Dr. Donald Abrams of San Francisco General Hospital. "It's only for the last 70 years that it hasn't been a medicine in this country."

 

Dr. Abrams has been studying marijuana for twelve years and is convinced it is both effective and safe.

 

"I think marijuana is a very good medicine," he said. "I'm a cancer doctor. I take care every day of patients who have loss of appetite, nausea, pain, difficulty sleeping and depression. I have one medicine that can treat all of those symptoms, instead of five different medicines to which they may become addicted.

 

"And that one is marijuana, and they're not gonna become addicted to it?" Blackstone said.

 
"That's correct," said Dr. Abrams.
 

But those who have been fighting the war on drugs say that, just because marijuana may be medicine, that doesn't mean it should be legal.

 

"There's just no doubt about it that the drug cartels and the drug organizations are very much involved in the production and sale of marijuana, said Roy Wasden, police chief in Modesto, Calif., where a lot of marijuana is grown.

 

"You can be out walking through the national forest, and if you hike into one of these marijuana grows, you'll be at great risk," he said.

 

And drug fighters warn aging boomers that marijuana isn't the gentle weed they remember. Today's pot is a whole different kettle of fish

 

"The marijuana of the 1960s and Woodstock is not what's being sold on the streets in the United States today, said Chief Bernard Melekian, head of the California Police Chiefs Association. "The narcotic portion, the THC of marijuana in the '60s, hovered around one or two percent. THC today is around 27 to 30 percent.

 

"You have a very significantly different plant."

 

Teaching people to grow that plant is another one of Richard Lee's businesses.

 

Lee runs Oaksterdam University, where students also learn how to stay within the state's medical marijuana laws.

 

"So you can't plant those seeds until you know what the law is?" Blackstone asked.

 

"Right," said Lee. "Vote today and get high tonight."

 

Students like Darnell Blackman and Barbara Kramer see an opportunity to do good . . . and to do well . . . by growing marijuana.

 

"Just like aspirin or ibuprofen or any of those other medications, cannabis is just another way of helping people," said Blackman.

 

"I thought maybe there was some way that I could get in the ground floor, get ahead of the curve on where this industry might be going," said Kramer.

 

There are still plenty of obstacles before it's a legal industry. Chief Wasden says this is no time for a surrender in the war on drugs.

 

"Fewer kids are using drugs today," he said. "We're not losing the war on drugs. Kids are starting to understand the negative, negative consequences of drug abuse. Do we need to introduce another dependency-driven substance into our community when in fact we're making progress?"

 

But in the community now known as Oaksterdam, the drug warriors are nowhere to be seen . . . as a whole neighborhood goes to pot.



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GreeneHayez

Jul 28 2009, 7:00 pm

Legalize it please.
And i don't care if they tax it atleast no one will be going to jail.

buts estimated that the goverment can make 50 billion dollars a year if they legalize it.
then more if they tax it.

treehugger

Jul 26 2009, 2:57 pm

Hawkeye - Taxing ain't stealing, it's insurance. Give-up part of your land or money, in hopes they can protect the rest while your at work, or at the store. But when they abuse that power - they must be removed. Obama ain't fucking around. He ain't playing that Gov't asualis no more.

$1,000 tax per plant = $50,000,000,000,000 annually. Think he ain't HEARING THAT!

treehunger

Jul 25 2009, 1:07 pm

....................... ._ ._
lab3 - bingo, usualis!

Head west. But can't all live in CA, it will be razed, and fall into the Pacific.

Build my Brownsville to Baja Canal/420 Act of 2009!

treehunger

Jul 25 2009, 12:54 pm

210 - Kurt is cool! Funny. No real pot-head is that thin skinned, to at least ask for reiteration before blasting.
But as bongman said, "...dysphuntional" sarcastic, funny.
But there aren't that many posters in here with a brain, so ya'll keep goin at it, and I'm always willing to learn-n-burn. Much wisdom and inspiration to be found in here, if you're willing to see.

HU210

Jul 20 2009, 3:37 pm

I agree with that DC.
That said, I was just rather kurt with lab3 over on the Prolfic Grower gets 7-1/2 years thread.

I guess the operative term here is "most of"

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Jul 20 2009, 1:47 pm

????????????????????????????????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jul 20 2009, 1:47 pm

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

.

Jul 17 2009, 5:07 pm

http://www.hemp.tv/

HawkeyeZ

Jul 17 2009, 10:43 am

I really would love to see cannabis legalized, but why tax it? Taxing it wouldn't help the economy, it would only lessen the positive effects of legalization. It would take money away from the farmers and consumers and spend it in ways that you may or may not approve of. Taxing is stealing -- it's just plain simple. It's really sad that advocates feel like they have to compromise with the state to get what they want.

ohhhooooyeahh

Jul 17 2009, 2:16 am

2 GIRLS 1 CUP

gstlab3

Jul 17 2009, 12:49 am

I WILL GIVE THEM NOTHING BUT GRIEF!!! I AM NOT PAYING THEM A DIME MORE EVER!! FUCK THOSE PIGS IN WASHINGTON AND DOWN ON WALL STREET TOO!!! I WILL GROW AND GROW AND GROW SOME MORE!!! EVERY YEAR I TEACH MORE TO GROW!!!! WE ARE SPREADING THIS OUT TO ALL THE HEADS THAT WANT TO LISTEN!!! FREEDOM DOSE NOT WAIT!!! IT IS FOUGHT AND PAID FOR WITH THE BLOOD, SWEAT AND TEARS OF MEN!!!! DO NOT GIVE THEM OUR SACRED HERB TO TAX AND CONTROL AND TAKE AWAY FROM US ARBITRARILY LIKE THEY DO WITH OTHER MEDICINES IF YOU DO NOT COMPLY WITH THEIR RULES AND PAY THEM THEIR MONIES!!!! FUCK THE FEDS FREE THE HEADS!!!!

bongbarian

Jul 16 2009, 11:45 pm

HU210, you are entitled to your opinion.

I see keeping it simple, treating it like alchol or tobacco, is the best route. And, as w/booze, you want to brew your own beer or make your own wine, go for it.

HU210

Jul 16 2009, 11:03 pm

Here is another example in recent times. The smuggling of cigarettes from one state to another. Why? Excessive taxation that creates a black market. The very point that Rosie makes. Get it yet?

Q.And what are they attempting to do with the high taxes on tobacco? A.Eliminate smoking. Wake up.

HU210

Jul 16 2009, 10:54 pm

The first fucking revenuer comes to my house or garden with their hands out. Wont be returning home to their spouse and children.
It will be a trial in the street with guns and spilled blood this time!!!

Viva mexican cartels. Now thats the moxie that we (free and brave) American's should be demonstrating.

I got a good eye and a steady hand as my gun control!

How did Janis put it? Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose. Plus government only learns after enough of theirs die in the streets.


Remember, Capone was jailed for tax evasion. Not selling booze.

When government fears the people we have liberty. When the people fear the government we have tyrranny.

bongbarian

Jul 16 2009, 9:28 pm

That was then this is now- different set of variables.

So, you don’t think taxation, which should & will happen, isn’t a worthwhile trade off to end all the bullshit? To ensure people aren’t thrown in pokey for herb, as you were? (isn’t parole a Joy. How many, 3?)

I agree herb revenue should be closely scrutinized. Neither of us created the pay per child policies of the 60’s to create racial equality, nor were we the law makers that stood idly by while the ramifications wreaked havoc on urban America, not to mention broad scope financial destruction. Moot points while ramming down the gates oppression / weed prohibition.

Uncle Sam needs to wake up & smell the bong smoke. Progressively change & survive, or..

Rosie’s sniffing glue- She’s quoting prices of $150 an ounce, fine herb she’s talking about. GROW OPS SELL @ $200Z (bite the bullet, its worth it in the end)- $50 TO THE PEOPLE/ROSIE TAX, RETAIL PUMPS THEIR $50 1/8TH’S AND DOES JUST FINE. SMOKERS HAVE A WIDE SELECTION, ARE NO LONGER SNEAKING AROUND LIKE CRIMINALS; AND YOU & I WILL BE GROWING OUR OWN ANYWAYS.

anonymous

Jul 16 2009, 6:43 pm

[QUOTE
The only legitimate tie it seemed to have were claims that it was backed by/associated with Change.org. Thus, the only logical thing to do was to contact Change.org for clarification. I just got this response:
Thanks for the note, Eric. We are in no way connected to the phone number you mentioned, and it also looks very much like a scam to us. We would really appreciate it if you would update your blog to let your readers know about this, as well as anyone else who may have been spreading the rumor that this is a legitimate number/operation, which it is almost certainly not. We will also try to write a blog post about it tomorrow clarifying things if we can find the time.
Thanks again for bringing this to our attention,
Ben Rattray
Founder and CEO, Change.org
Everything was pointing at “scam”, but this severs the last bit of potential legitimacy that the number had.
So please, DO NOT CALL 973-409-3274 as it appears to be a type of scam to either harvest phone numbers or even potentially charge you money by hitting the pound key (which would be the equivalent of you accepting charges).
STOP sharing this phone number as well. I literally sit and watch person after person share this on twitter thinking they are helping the cause when in reality they are just helping these scammers reach new victims. If you have shared this link, please post this update to let others know to keep an eye on their phone bill for any unauthorized charges.
Again, just to be clear: This number is not a legitimate polling number associated with any known marijuana advocacy group. Calling it does not help/support marijuana legislation in anyway and only risks you becoming a victim to some type of phone scam.
If you really want to help legalize marijuana, consider making a contribution to MPP, NORML, or other reputable, legitimate marijuana advocacy groups. Just like the many online petitions available, a “phone call poll” will hardly destroy prohibition.
Thanks again Mr. Rattray for your prompt response!
UPDATE: Here is what one victim had to say about their experience:
“i called and immediatly after i hung up i get a call from mediacom (my internet, phone, cable company) saying i have several new charges on my phone bill and they was chastising me bout it for like 5 minutes, i was like fuck it i’ll pay it, click.
so its a scam and now i have a few extra dollars to fork up on tha first!!!!”

Please help to spread this information especially on twitter to save people from experiencing this!

Tax exempt church

Jul 16 2009, 3:18 pm

If they get too stupid with their taxes,we will all join the Ethiopian Zion Coptic Church and claim our marijuana is a religious sacrament. If man writes a law,man can bend it.

Here we go

Jul 16 2009, 3:04 pm

CBS is having big marijuana show,Sunday and all week. CBS.COM

cannasseur

Jul 16 2009, 2:57 pm

Cannabis generates an estimated 14 billion dollars every year most people have tried it and it is widely known that all that money is being generated in our cities and towns and yet or local government and our local farmers are being forced to observe how this product is being imported and sold without benefiting our local economies that is dumb, and we need to change it, we need to stop putting people in prison for weed.

moo

Jul 16 2009, 10:27 am

vote 2 legalize marijuana on cnn 2day Barak Obama said he will consider with 1million votes call 973-409-3274

gstlab3

Jul 15 2009, 11:52 pm

YA'ALL GET COMFORTABLE NOW YA HEAR?! THE REAL gstlab3 IS SPEAKING TO YOU AND HAS IMPORTANT THINGS TO TELL YOU!!! THE TRUTH IS BEING TOLD AND WE MUST SPREAD THE WORDS TO OUR FELLOWS IN DEED!!!!!! FREE THE WEED!!!!! GROW YOUR OWN!!!

gstlab3

Jul 15 2009, 11:48 pm

I WOULD RUN FOR AN ELECTED OFFICE EXCEPT FOR THE FACT I AM A CONVICTED FELON!!! why? BECAUSE I CHOSE TO GO TO WORK TO PAY MULTIPLE SPEEDING TICKETS AND FINES WICH HAVE GROWN TO THE POINT OF LICENCE SUSPENTIONS AND THEN REVOCATION FOR CONTINUED DRIVING., A HABITUAL OFFENDER STATUS FOLLOWED AND MULTIPLE FELONIES FOLLOWED FOR CONTINUED DRIVING., I HAVE NEVER RUN FROM THE POLICE OR HAVE EVER BEEN CONVICTED OF OR EVEN ACCUSED OF DRUNK DRIVING AND ABSOLUTLY NO WRECKS ON MY PART!!! I LIVE TWENTY MILES FROM THE NEAREST TOWN I HAVE CHILD SUPPORT TO PAY TOO!!! NO MATTER., I STILL CANNOT DRIVE AND THEN THEY SUSSPENDED IT FOR NON PAYMENT OF CHILD SUPPORT!!! I ALSO WAS CONVICTED OF BEING AN ASSESORY TO A BREAK AND ENTER WHEN I WAS EIGHTEEN.,THE COPS SHOWED UP ON MY DOORSTEP WITH A FELLOW I MET WHEN I MOVED TO THIS AWFULL STATE AND WANTED TO KNOW IF I KNEW WHAT HAD HAPPENED A FEW NIGHTS BEFORE!!! I SURE DID KNOW AND WANTED NOTHING TO DO WITH IT AND I WROTE A STATEMENT TO THAT FACT AND WAS CHARGED BECAUSE I DID NOT COME FORWARD IMMEDIATELY AND TELL ON THIS DRUNKEN REDNECK INTHE MIDDLE OF THE COUNTRYSIDE GOD KNOWS WHERE TOO!!!! I WAS DRUNK AS WAS HE AND I PASS OUT TO BE AWOKEN TO HIM TELLING ME "TO CHECK THIS SHIT OUT MAN!!" YUP HE BROKE INTO A PIECE OF SHIT TRAILER AND ROBBED IT!!! HOLLY SHIT!!!! THAT WAS MY INTRODUCTION TO THE FUCKED UP LAWS IN VIRGINIA!!!! EVERYTHING IS A FELONY IN VIRGINIA!!! FUCK THIS STATE TO HELL AND IF I EVER GET MY "QUOTE" RIGHTS BACK I WILL RUN FOR AN OFFICE!!!! I WILL RUN THE OFFICE OF GENERALS THAT WILL STORM THE WHITE HOUSE GROUNDS AND THE CAPITAL BUILDING AND TAKE THIS GOVERNMENT BACK TO THE PEOPLE!! IT TOOK LESS THAN THREE HUNDRED WELL ARMED MEN TO OVERTHROW A MILITERIZED CAPITAL IN SOUTH AMERICA TWO WEEKS AGO!!!! OUR CAPITAL IS NOT MILITERIZED??!!!!!! GIVE ME A JOB AND I WILL DO IT WELL AND TO COMPLETION., GIVE ME A SMALL ARMY AND I WILL GIVE US OUR COUNTRY BACK!!!! WE ARE THE ARMY! THE REAL ARMY OUT HERE IN THE STREETS!! THIS IS WHAT I SEE MARCHING INTO WASHINGTON REALLY SOON!!! THE GREEN FLAGS ARE COMING TO WASHINGTON!! WE REPRESENT FREEDOM AND GODS GIVEN EARTH AND LIFE WICH BELONGS TO EVERYONE NOT JUST THE ELITISTS AND THE POWER BROKERS OF WALL STREET!!!! WE ARE STARVING FOR FREEDOM AND OUR HEALTH IS SUFFERING AT THE HANDS OF THESE LEGAL DRUG PUSHERS AND CHEMISTS THAT DOPE UP OUR FOOD AND OUR WATER AS WELL!!! WE MUST FIGHT THIS TYRANY OR WE WILL DIE AS SLAVES TO THE GOVERNMENT TAX AND CONTROL MACHINES!!!! I WOULD RATHER DIE THAN GIVE UP MY LIBERTY TO GROW AND GO!!!! I STILL DRIVE!!!!! OVER 500,000 MILES WITHOUT A LICENSE !!!!!! STEALTH AND TRICKERY!!! AND A GOOD DOSE OF BEING FUCKED ONE TOO MANY TIMES BY THE GOVERNMENT!!!! THEY HAVE SO MANY NUMBERS AND RECORDS TO KEEP TRACK OF THEY CANNOT DO IT ANYMORE WITH ANY CERTAINTY OF WHO THEY ARE DEALING WITH!!! "AS LONG AS THE "COMPUTER" SAYS "IT" IT MUST BE TRUE!!!!!! "I HAVE WALKED THE STREETS OF BABYLON WITH THE BEASTS OF COMPANIONS" AND HAVE LEARNED MUCH FROM THE ENEMIES THERE AS WELL!!!! THE DEATH OF OUR NATION AS WE KNOW IT IS AT HAND!!!

BigChivas

Jul 15 2009, 10:35 pm

Well good for Oaksterdam, then. But that statement about 27-30 percent THC concentrations, what ill-informed, evil B.S!

WEEDGOD

Jul 15 2009, 6:49 pm

DONT LEGALIZE IT BECAUSE THE POWERS THAT BE WILL FUCK IT UP!

THE MIGHTY WEEDGOD HAS SPOKEN!

TO GSTLAB3

Jul 15 2009, 6:06 pm

CAN I BE YOUR CAMPAIGN MANAGER IN 2012?

kinder

Jul 15 2009, 5:58 pm

To gstlab3:
wow.........such passion and at such a time when the prez
is getting ready to "reform" health care and the system.
Now you and i know this reform will fall short cause there
is no wording for cannibus no allowance for it's use not
even a maybe.But be sure of this,big drug co. are about to get FAT.

gstlab3

Jul 15 2009, 1:52 pm

KNOCK ON WOOD FOR ME!!!! I HAVE HAD BUT ONE RUN IN FOR A COUPLE OF ROACHES IN A FRIENDS CAR I WAS DRIVING AND ALL THEY WANTED TO DO WAS HEM ME UP FOR A DRIVING OFFENCE.,I THINK THE CHARGES WERE DROPPED OR NULL PROCESSED.,WHAT EVER.,I DO NOT REMEMBER! IT WAS DAMN NEAR THIRTY YEARS AGO!! AND ABOUT AT THAT TIME I STARTED TO PUT SEEDS IN THE DIRT AND MAKE THEM GROW!!! INSIDE OUTSIDE IT SURE DOSE NOT MATTER!!! I PERSONALLY AM AT WAR WITH THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT., THROUGH NO FAULT OF MY OWN I HAVE BEEN LABELED A CRIMINAL AND A TERRORIST FOR BEING INVOLVED IN THE MARIJUANA TRADE., BILLIONS OF YOUR TAX DOLLARS HAVE BEEN SPENT TRYING TO PUT ME JAIL AND FINANCIALLY RUIN ME.,I HAVE NO ACCESS TO ANY GOOD JOBS OR EDUCATION, HEALTH CARE BECAUSE I USE MARIJUANA.,I GET MOST OF MY NARCOTIC PAIN MEDS SECOND HAND ON THE BLACK MARKET AS IT IS CHEAPER THAN SELLING MY SOUL SO I CAN PEE IN A CUP!!!! AS REQUIRED BY MOST PAIN MANAGEMENT DOCTORS OR CLINICS., MORPHINE, HEROIN, AND NAME BRAND DRUGS ARE EASILY HAD ON THE BLACK MARKET WITH NO INSURANCE BILLS, NO DOCTOR BILLS etc.. I CANNOT GIVE UP THE BELIEF THAT MOTHER NATURE KNOWS BEST FOR US AND THAT THE GOVERNMENT HAS NO PLACE TO DETER ME FROM USING NATURAL REMIDIES AND DRUGS., TO DENY THE CITEZENS OF THIS COUNTRY WHO WORK THE RIGHT TO OWN PROPERTY AND CAPITAL WITHOUT BEING TAXED IN PERPETUITY FOR THAT RIGHT IS OF COURSE ASSININE AND COMMUNIST AND UNAMERICAN AS YOU CAN GET!!! THEW RIGHT TO REMAIN SECURE IN YOUR POSSESIONS AND PROPERTIES AND DWELLING PLACES IS NO LONGER BEING ENFORCED AT ANY LEVEL OF THE QUARTERED AND ARMED TROOPS IN OUR STREETS AND TOWNS!! THIS IS A POLICE STATE OF MARTIAL LAW BEING SLOWLY IMPPLIMENTED RIGHT UNDER OUR NOSES!!! THE RIGHT TO BE SECURE IN MY BODY HAS NEVER BEEN ALLOWED IN MY LIFERTIME!!! WHAT I THINK, SAY AND DO., WHAT I AM ALLOWED TO OWN AND KEEP AND USE AND FOR HOW LONG ARE ALL CONTROLLED BY THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT!!! THE PEOPLE HAVE NO VOICE TO SPEAK OF WE HAVE BEEN SILENCED AND ENSLAVED TO THE GOVERNMENT WHO KEEPS THE WEALTH AND THE POWER TO USE IT AGAINST THE PEOPLE!!!! A SICK AND SELF DESTRUCTIVE ENTITY HAS SWALLOWED THE PEOPLE VOICES!!!! THE ALL POWERFULL TYRANNY FROM WASHINGTON IS STARVING US OUT ONE BY ONE!!! TAXES AND FEES AND UNFUNDED MANDATED LAWS AND REFORMS ALL OF WICH SERVE TO GROW THE SIZE OF THE GOVERNMENT!!! WELL I FOR ONE DO NOT AND WILL NOT AND CAN NOT WORK FOR THE SLAVE MASTERS IN WASHINGTON!!!! LET THE SHOTGUN SING THE SONG!!! OUR VOICES WILL BE HEARD AGAIN!!!! MY STRATEGY IS ONE OF KNOWLEDGE, PRESERVIERANCE AND STEALTH. FAITH IN GOD FROM WICH I DERIVE MY LIFES ENERGIES AND STRENGTHS., ALSO I REMEMBER HISTORY AND STUDY IT SO I CAN BE PREPARED TO FIGHT IN THE WAR AGAINST THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT AND ITS WAR ON ME AND MY GOD GIVEN RIGHT TO USE THESE NATURAL DRUGS ON PROPERTY OUR FATHERS FATHERS PAID FOR GENERATIONS AGO WITH THE BLOOD OF WARS, SWEAT FROM DAILY LABORS AND TEARS OF THE TRIALS OF LIFE AND DEATH!!!! I WILL NOT BE A SLAVE UNTO THE IDEALS OF COMMUNISM OR TYRANNY!!!! I WILL KEEP MY POWDER DRY FOR THOSE WHO MAY COME AFTER ME AND MY FAMILY AND FRIENDS OF THE FREEDOMS GOD HAS GIVEN MAN!!!!

herbage

Jul 15 2009, 12:20 pm

2 GIRLS 1 CUP

bongbarian

Jul 15 2009, 11:00 am

Hu210- Lets not just jump on the bandwagon, lets pirate the damn thing and ram it right thru the gates of oppression & FREE THE WEED. The original taxation crap in the 30’s was designed to change the legal status, not generate $. There seems to be a pattern w/the bumps on this website.

Gstlab3- You cant keep the government out of weed, they have been in it, they are in it, they will be in it. It has been, & is, a factor of incarceration, or institutionalizing risk takers & rule breakers that enter the green market, or simply smoke it. Try telling one of the thousands who have been burned in the past or are currently rotting in prison that the Gov. isn’t in weed. What we can do is change the future so this does not occur, while rectifying a ruined economy. Still doesn’t make sense to put that double barrel down for a minute or two? Keep fighting, adapt stratedgy!

Hmm, interesting, again; will take some time to digest that. But.. Believing all esoteric people follow a harmonious path would be as unrealistic as believing all politicians are trying to do the right thing; perhaps this is why there are so many solitary practitioners as the dance of life is an individual thing. Violating the free will factor, succumbing to materialism and being driven by the ego are accomplishments which earn an inverted pentagram badge; and yes they are the worse than the Dumb & Dirty Politician, & deserve the same fate. But lets finish the current battle, the tide has turned, the Green Rush is close.

Where’s the Treeman, hope they didn’t come thru the windows @ 4 in the morn..

hmm

Jul 15 2009, 10:59 am

sam stash.. not to be taken as offence.. but look around the whole world is still under englands control.. in canada all of our fucking highways have the crown on all of the signs and there is other symbolism too that sickens me.. why the hell do we have kings and queens anyway we aren't a fucking beehive we are all equals on this wonderful planet whose people are being disarmed. i feel as though the new world order will come in when the people have lost enough freedoms which will disarm people to fight the new world order

Sam Stash

Jul 15 2009, 7:40 am

The main thing here is, It's a product that can help people who need something that is less addicting and easyer to optain". Those PIN-HEADS in washington wouldn't know a good thing if it jumped up and bit them on the ass. Hell, they are so retarded that let one man lead them into a war without even consulting with the AMERICAN people on the issue. Them PIN-HEADS in washington are such a poor excuse for leaders that they can't even take care of their own people let alone the rest of the world. You don't have to be a good politician to get into the "boys club" in WASHINGTON DC
you just have to have alot of money, and they call POTHEADS stupied, huh! I'm sick & tired of the United States Government, "PLAYING GOD", with my choices of what I smoke, what I eat, or what I think. Ain't that why we left England to begin with. C'MOM PEOPLE WE CAN THINK FOR OURSELFS, we don't need all this GOVERNMENT. It's time to releave ourselfs of BAD politicians, if you can't do what we want done then we don't really need you in, WASHINGTON DC. And it wasn't a drug till the GOVERNMENT got a hold on it, it was a herb. DUMB-ASS GOVERNMENT!

AliNicole

Jul 15 2009, 7:04 am

I think it would be great! imagine buying a pack of camel joints, they could be called stoner sticks, lol. even if they legalized it and started manufacturing it, taxing it, and selling it, and put chemicals and shit in them, it would still be legal for us to grow our own. just think of the feeling of putting out your stoner stick in front of walmart or at a coffee shop, freedom would feel great.

14andlovingpot

Jul 15 2009, 4:38 am

If they fucking legalize it, it won't be good anymore. They'll do the same fucking thing they did to tobacco. They'll putt poison and shit in it. I haven't gotten caught and neither has most of the people i know. what's the point in legalizing it if it won't be the same thing anymore???

gstlab3

Jul 14 2009, 9:40 pm

HIGH STAKES INDEED!!!! YOUR FREEDOM FROM GOVERNMENT INTRUSION INTO YOUR PERSONAL LIVES!!!!! KEEP GOVERNMENT OUT OF THE WEED!!!!!WE DO NOT NEED TO LET THEM RUIN MARIJUANA TOO!!!!! GROW YOUR OWN!! THE LAW BE DAMNED!!!!

Sensemilla

Jul 14 2009, 9:38 pm

A lot of the marijuana consumers are partial to sensemilla,or seedless buds,and usually cross bred with some indica for flavor and potency,and some prefer straight indica over sativa,and these are the strains that are drawing the big bucks in N. CA and all over the country. If marijuana is legalized,hemp will also be a legal crop,and if you live in a location where hemp will be grown,growing sensimilla outside will be history,because of all the pollen that will be around from acres and acres of hemp. All sensemilla will have to be grown indoors with hepa filters to avoid pollination and with some way of removing pollen from your clothing before you enter your grow room. It could still be grown outside in areas where the rainfall is too low to grow hemp.
At any rate,the growing of those purty seedless buds are going to be harder with legalization.

illuminati?

Jul 14 2009, 9:11 pm

Legalization would remove money out of somebodies hands,at least the money I spend will be going for nutrients and rockwool and not to a dealer,cartel connected or not. And if the government wants to stop the cartels they will have to under price them in order to make their profits go away. Any taxes and or pricing that brings the price over half the street value of skagg will just underwrite the cartels or others to continue the green market. That means they don't want the DEA or any cops to set the price,as we all know how they estimate street value. Right now,skagg is $50 an ounce where I live,it's seeded and pressed in bricks so hard,you have to soak it in water for 15 seconds and set on a shelf for a few hours before you can even break it up. But it is mostly good sativa. The cartels are making money from it at that price,and any price close to it will just let them continue business as usual.
And if they are stupid enough to price and tax weed higher than that,they will be able to raise their prices. The boost to our economics will come when we quit sending billions of our dollars out of this country to buy from them.

gstlab3

Jul 14 2009, 9:11 pm

WHAT IF I JUST SWITCH UP MY TAGS???!!! THEN NO ONE WILL KNOW WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON WITH MY TAG!!!! FUCK YOU AND DIE! TO WHO EVER IS STEALING MY TAG!!! I THINK EVEN THE SEWERS OF BABYLON HAVE GOT TO HAVE SOME LIMITS BUT NO! THE DECAY AND IGNORANCE HAVE BUT ONE END!!! HELL AND ETERNAL DAMNATION!!!! THE LOOSERS WHO HATE AND SPEW WRETCHED FILTH ON THE HIGH TIMES WEB SITE ARE A NEW AND HORRIBLE FORM OF HUMAN WASTE!!! I CANNOT DESCRIBE THE SHAME THAT YOU ARE QUITE POSSIBLY HUMAN AND YOUR POOR PARENTS!!!! I BET YOU THEY BEAT YOUR ASS AND THEN THROUGH YOU OUT BECAUSE YOU ARE DUMB AS A BOX OF ROCKS!! I HOPE YOU DO NOT BREED!!! BECAUSE GOD DO'NT LIKE UGLY!!!!

rhcp420

Jul 14 2009, 7:32 pm

the legalization would work if they wouldn't sell it at 150 an ounce, the government should give contracts to farmers to grow it and base the price off of the price it takes to grow it not just go with the regular street price and add a tax. because then nobody would buy it.

ohyw

Jul 14 2009, 7:03 pm

i do that too. . .

Stanis Lascusava

Jul 14 2009, 4:47 pm

to gstlab3 fuck all those assholes.you talk truth brother.viva la revolution and overgrow the government.

G

Jul 14 2009, 4:02 pm

Roll it light it smoke it tax it regulate it

iblowminds.com

spliffer

Jul 14 2009, 3:25 pm

the truth is that if we don't fight for the right to smoke the government will ban other rights like smoking anything and they could even try to outlaw liquor again just imagine the huge amounts of profits they could make by criminalizing anything they wish, we need a Huge invasion of cannabis lovers in California so they can cast their vote to decriminalize cannabis in California next year Tom Ammiano Bill AB 390, we have got to get that bill to pass in California we need voters.

hmm

Jul 14 2009, 3:23 pm

sure. a girl named svali who got out of the illuminati alive tells the story of the hierarchy. type svali into google and i believe it is the first link that will take you to her explanation of various parts of the illuminati. knowing that ganj supplies roughly 60-70% income for gangs. and knowing that the illuminati run the gangs and mafia i believe in my opinion that it is safe to say that taking money out of the hands of the mafia and gangs will take a bite out of the money supply of the illuminati who use the absolute most evil ways to induce mind control on people. for example trauma. as svali explains.. using trauma based mind control ever since the child is still in the womb creates a dissociative personality that can be put under undetectable mind control. legalization should mean that everyone gets to grow plants that they buy from walmart for two dollars and get cancer treating medicine and other treatments obv from the plant. just like rick simpson did. but treating people with cancer from thc and canabinoids is old and forgotten but being slowly remember. the illuminati who are my human brothers and sisters are traumatizaing children who are also my brothers and sisters.. from the womb on to put them under undetectable mind control is sickening. i would much rather see the biggest cash crop in the world that they basically own right now to be taken out of their hands.

HU210

Jul 14 2009, 2:48 pm

http://www.rapidcityjournal.com
/articles/2009/07/06/news/top/
doc4a528132b9e9f476288923.txt?show_
comments=true#commentdiv

Ever since HT changed the site (4/20/08). Nothing but fuckery when trying to post it seems = the post cuts stuff off or out from what is previewed.

I hope that you didnt pay the website designer.

gstlab3

Jul 14 2009, 2:32 pm

GOD SENT TROUBLE., FOR THE ESTABLISHMENT AND THE LAKIES OF THE GOVERNMENT., NOT TO MENTION THE KNUCKLE DRAGGERS THAT PERMIATE THE HIGH TIMES WEB SITE!!!! I HOPE WHO EVER IS USING MY TAG IS CHOKING ON DIRT WEED!!!!! BECAUSE I SURE AINT!!! WHY YOU ARE DOING IT IS BEYOND ME.,I KNOW ONE THING., I HAVE SET SOME KIND OF FIRE UNDER YOUR ASS AND HAVE PISSED YOU OFF!!! TOO MUCH FOR YOU TO HANDLE I BET., SORRY BUT I DO KICK ASS IT IS MY BEST TRAIT!!!! I BET YOUR BEST HYDRO AGAINST ANY AND ALL OF MY QUOTE "HOMEGROWN" STRAINS., I ALSO BET YOU HAVE THE IQ OF AN ASS STAIN!!!TAINT THAT A BITCH!?! YOU FUCKING LOOSER!!!!!!!!! QUIT USING MY TAG AND GET YOUR OWN SO I CAN RIP YOUR FUCKING HEAD OFF!!!!!! DO YOU UNDERSTAND ME SHITHEAD!?!?

kottonmouth king

Jul 14 2009, 2:01 pm

those people are fuckin right my mind just got blown all over the god damn universe i agree with every thing in that article honestly how can a plat hurt the community and also be a crim i dont under stand. LONG LIVE THE PLANT!!!

HU210

Jul 14 2009, 1:54 pm

Help keep South Dakotians informed

http://www.rapidcityjournal.com/articles/2009/07/06/news/top/doc4a528132b9e9f476288923.txt?show_comments=true#commentdiv

HU210

Jul 14 2009, 1:37 pm

I have to agree with Rosie. taxing smokeable cannabis will/would create more problems than it would remedy.

If uncle scam wants revenue. He can tax hemp. Hemp industries jobs would also create a more consistant source of revenue, using an established collection veichle already in place. Eliminating the need to create another ineffecitve,expensive and oppressive, administrative government boondalge.

Lets put on our thinking caps. Before jumping on the tax weed bandwagon.

nug

Jul 14 2009, 1:37 pm

wtf legalize it

bongbarian

Jul 14 2009, 12:34 pm

hmm, interesting, care to expand on that as I believe there are a few things more important?

hmm

Jul 14 2009, 9:53 am

we have to remember that the best thing legalization will do is take a large amount of funding out of the hands of the illuminati

bongbarian

Jul 14 2009, 9:46 am

If you try to impose a tax that is that high($50/oz.), you have absolutely no incentive for the black market to disappear," said Rosalie Pacula, of the Rand Drug Policy Research Center- YOU CANT TAX $50/OZ???? HEY ROSALIE, ARE YOU ANOTHER LIAR OR JUST CLUELESS? WHO EXACTLY PAYS FOR YOUR “DRUG RESEARCH”?? AND PLEAE GIVE UP YOUR JOB TO A MARRIJUANNA EXPERT, YOU KNOW, A LONG TIME SMOKER.

And another LIAR or CLUELESS DRUG WAR CAVEMAN- “ the THC of marijuana in the '60s, hovered around one or two percent. THC today is around 27 to 30 percent” said Chief Bernard Melekian PLEASE CHIEF- IDENTIFY THE STRAIN!--- TOPPED ONLY BY HIS NEXT DISPLAY OF BRILLIANCE- "Fewer kids are using drugs today," he said. "We're not losing the war on drugs. Kids are starting to understand the negative, negative consequences of drug abuse.”

END THE LIES- FREE THE WEED

steven in iowa

Jul 14 2009, 4:17 am

I wonder what it feels like to clearly be on the loosing side of the 70 year anti-marijuana drug war (JUST KIDDING) THEY KNOW THAT THEY FOLLOW THE TEXTBOOK DEFINITIONS OF THE TERMS:INGORANT,GREEDY,SEMI RACIST,PRO EXTREEMELY EXCESSIVE,AND OVERLY AGGRESSIVE-LAW ENFORCEMENT, ANTI-GREEN (ALL PUNS INCLUDED) INDUSTRIES, HEARTLESS, SELFISH D****. so far they have proven all affore mentioned terms true.they gave it a good try, but in my opinion to ALL PROHIBITIONISTS-YOU HAVE ONLY MANAGED TO PROVE MY POINT

LEGALIZE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WEEDGOD

Jul 14 2009, 2:49 am

BOY! SOMEONE FORGOT TO TAKE HIS MEDS!

THE MIGHTY WEEDGOD HAS SPOKEN!

mr. psychodelic

Jul 14 2009, 1:24 am

man i might move to cali or amesterdam. damn it looks like cali might be the new amesterdam. these people need to get with the program. does anyone do their own personal research anymore or do they just listen to what the government feeds them. i bet 80 percent of the people responsible for keeping weed illegal dont know why its illegal in the first place. they're just force feed bullshit and they say its not the weed of the 60s they why the hell was the weed of the 60s demonized. next they're going to be saying this aint the weed of 09 or 2010 this dat good shit, oops i mean this stuff will harm you. put some that shit in goodie bag damn.peace, love, and bud.

smokeyB.

Jul 14 2009, 12:20 am

so when is the vote to legalize it in California?

justalabg3

Jul 14 2009, 12:08 am

im gay

gstlab3

Jul 13 2009, 10:54 pm

CALIFORNIA!!!!!!! HERE WE COME!!!! THE "GREEN RUSH" IS ON!!!! SO IS THE MONEY!!!! THE NATION WILL FOLLOW!!!! CARAVANS OF PEOPLE OUGHT O MIGRATE AND SET UP CAMP LIKE IN THE PIONEERING DAYS!!!! BRING YOUR SKILLS AND BRING YOUR SEEDS!!!! WE WILL HAVE A REAL GREEN REVOLUTION!!!! THE STATE IS BROKE AND CANNOT AFFORD TO FIGHT BACK!!!!! PLANT THOSE DREAMS IN CALIFORNIA !!!!!!!!!!

gstlab3

Jul 13 2009, 10:27 pm

MONEY TALKS AND BULLSHIT WALKS!! MARIJUANA IS THE MONEY TREE!!! WE NOW HAVE A GENERATION OR TWO IN CALIFORNIA THAT KNOW AND PRACTICE THE TRUTH., CAN WE MAINTAIN OURSELVES LONG ENOUGH AND GET THESE LAWS CHANGED?, OR WILL WE DEVOLVE LIKE A BUNCH OF THE DEGENERATE SLOBS ON THIS WEBSITE!??!!

gstlab3

Jul 13 2009, 10:21 pm

THE NUMBER OF SHIT HEADS GROWS DAILY IN HERE!!!!! WHAT THE FUCK!!!?? MAN!!! THIS JUST SHOWS THE LEVEL WE ARE ON IN HERE! I FUCKING HOPE WHOEVER IT WAS IS FUCKING HAPPY WITH THEMSELVES!!! TO THE STORY HERE ON CBS IT JUST SHOWS THAT SOME OF US ARE IN A CREATIVE STATE AND CAN GENERATE LOTS OF MONEY AND HAVE LITERALY GROWN AN ECONOMY., IF WE KEEP FUNNELING THE MONIES AWAY FROM THE CARTEL AND GANGBANGERS FIRST WITH THE MEDICAL MARIJUANA THEN FOR THE KILL SHOT., WE LEGALIZE THE HOMEGROWER AND OF COURSE THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE LIMITS AS TO THRWART THIEVERY AND THE REGENERATION OF THE BLACK MARKETS.,

gstlab3

Jul 13 2009, 10:13 pm

TO: "THE REMAINDER OF MY DETRACTORS" I SAY ONCE MORE NOT TO FUCKING USE MY TAG!!!!!!!

gstlab3

Jul 13 2009, 10:11 pm

NICE TRY ASSHOLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU ARE NOW READY TO GO BACK TO THE SEWERS OF BABYLON TO SUCK ON THE SLIME OF DECAY AND THE SHIT OF IGNORANCE!!!!!

canada

Jul 13 2009, 8:04 pm

eeeeyarg, land hoooo maytiess mwaaahahahaha

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