High Stakes: A Call to Legalize Marijuana
Mon, Jul 13, 2009 6:53 pm
Source: www.cbsnews.com
A high-stakes political battle is underway in the cash-strapped state of California. At issue is the narrowly-defined liberty people have there to grow and sell a certain plant . . . and the desire of some folks to have the state government TAX it. John Blackstone reports our Cover Story:
In Oakland, Calif., Richard Lee runs a string of businesses, from coffee shops to glass blowing that are helping revitalize the once-decaying downtown.
But Lee's business empire is built on an unusual foundation: Selling marijuana
In the back of his Blue Sky Coffee Shop there's a steady stream of cash buyers, and not just for coffee.
"In the front you get the coffee and pastries, and in the back you get the cannabis," Lee said.
A salesman told customers, "You're welcome to pull the bags out and smell the herb as you like."
What's going on here is illegal under federal law, but permitted under California law that since 1996 has allowed marijuana for medical use.
A dozen other states have similar laws. One customer named Charles said pot is exactly what his doctor ordered.
"So that's what relieves my anxiety and allows me to cope and feel good," he said.
Lee has dubbed his Oakland neighborhood "Oaksterdam" . . . with a nod to Amsterdam and its liberal drug laws. His goal is to make this a tourist destination, with marijuana its main attraction.
"Does that worry people around here?" asked Blackstone.
"No, people around here love it 'cause they see how much we've improved the neighborhood," Lee said.
Next door to where Lee sells marijuana, Gertha Hays sells clothes. She says the dispensary brings people from all walks of life. "There's no particular pothead," she said, "so everyone comes over there."
"So these aren't just druggies in there?" Blackstone asked.
"No, not at all. If you look and see who comes up and down the block you'll see it's so diverse," Hays said.
Part of the Oaksterdam neighborhood is a nursery growing a cash crop: Medical marijuana is now estimated to be a $2 to 3 billion business in California.
"Yeah, there's a lot of people making a lot of money," lee said.
There are now several hundred medical marijuana dispensaries in California . . . and much more marijuana being sold on the street.
"We estimate, overall, [the] California cannabis industry is in the neighborhood of around $15 billion," lee said.
While there is disagreement over the real size of the marijuana market it's big enough to have captured the attention of lawmakers trying to fill a huge hole in the state budget.
Assemblyman Tom Ammiano is pushing legislation to legalize pot so the state can inhale new taxes.
"I thought it was high time, no pun intended, for this to be on the table," Ammiano said. "I'm trying to beat everybody to the punch with the jokes, because I get a lot of 'em," he laughed.
There are many who ridicule the idea, but the state tax board estimates Ammiano's proposed tax of $50 an ounce could bring in $1.5 to 2 billion a year.
"We find that highly unlikely," said Rosalie Pacula, of the Rand Drug Policy Research Center. She says California is likely to be disappointed by the revenue raised on marijuana that now sells for about $150 an ounce.
"If you try to impose a tax that is that high, you have absolutely no incentive for the black market to disappear," she said. "There is complete profit motive for them to actually stay."
The tax proposal, though, has started an unusual political discussion. According to one poll, 56 percent of California voters say marijuana should be legalized and taxed. Even California's Republican governor has not snuffed out talk of legalization.
"No, I think it's not time for that, but I think it's time for debate," Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger said. "All of those ideas for creating extra revenues, I'm always for an open debate on it."
Of course, Governor Schwarzenegger, from his earlier life, does have some experience… as does the president himself.
"I inhaled, frequently," Mr. Obama admitted on the campaign trail, in a nod to President Bill Clinton's earlier quasi-admission. "That was the point."
And while the president says he is opposed to legalizing pot ("No, I don't think that is a good strategy to grow our economy"), his administration has ordered the DEA to stop raiding state-approved medical marijuana dispensaries.
It's a big change from decades of viewing the plant as the indisputable evil portrayed in the 1936 film "Reefer Madness."
But that old image has been going up in smoke for decades.
It was along for the trip in 1969 in the movie "Easy Rider," and on the cover of Life Magazine. On TV today it's just a part of suburban life in the series "Weeds."
And then there's the growing recognition of marijuana as medicine.
"Marijuana has been a medicine for 5,000 years," said Dr. Donald Abrams of San Francisco General Hospital. "It's only for the last 70 years that it hasn't been a medicine in this country."
Dr. Abrams has been studying marijuana for twelve years and is convinced it is both effective and safe.
"I think marijuana is a very good medicine," he said. "I'm a cancer doctor. I take care every day of patients who have loss of appetite, nausea, pain, difficulty sleeping and depression. I have one medicine that can treat all of those symptoms, instead of five different medicines to which they may become addicted.
"And that one is marijuana, and they're not gonna become addicted to it?" Blackstone said.
But those who have been fighting the war on drugs say that, just because marijuana may be medicine, that doesn't mean it should be legal.
"There's just no doubt about it that the drug cartels and the drug organizations are very much involved in the production and sale of marijuana, said Roy Wasden, police chief in Modesto, Calif., where a lot of marijuana is grown.
"You can be out walking through the national forest, and if you hike into one of these marijuana grows, you'll be at great risk," he said.
And drug fighters warn aging boomers that marijuana isn't the gentle weed they remember. Today's pot is a whole different kettle of fish
"The marijuana of the 1960s and Woodstock is not what's being sold on the streets in the United States today, said Chief Bernard Melekian, head of the California Police Chiefs Association. "The narcotic portion, the THC of marijuana in the '60s, hovered around one or two percent. THC today is around 27 to 30 percent.
"You have a very significantly different plant."
Teaching people to grow that plant is another one of Richard Lee's businesses.
Lee runs Oaksterdam University, where students also learn how to stay within the state's medical marijuana laws.
"So you can't plant those seeds until you know what the law is?" Blackstone asked.
"Right," said Lee. "Vote today and get high tonight."
Students like Darnell Blackman and Barbara Kramer see an opportunity to do good . . . and to do well . . . by growing marijuana.
"Just like aspirin or ibuprofen or any of those other medications, cannabis is just another way of helping people," said Blackman.
"I thought maybe there was some way that I could get in the ground floor, get ahead of the curve on where this industry might be going," said Kramer.
There are still plenty of obstacles before it's a legal industry. Chief Wasden says this is no time for a surrender in the war on drugs.
"Fewer kids are using drugs today," he said. "We're not losing the war on drugs. Kids are starting to understand the negative, negative consequences of drug abuse. Do we need to introduce another dependency-driven substance into our community when in fact we're making progress?"
But in the community now known as Oaksterdam, the drug warriors are nowhere to be seen . . . as a whole neighborhood goes to pot.













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GreeneHayez
Jul 28 2009, 7:00 pm
And i don't care if they tax it atleast no one will be going to jail.
buts estimated that the goverment can make 50 billion dollars a year if they legalize it.
then more if they tax it.
treehugger
Jul 26 2009, 2:57 pm
$1,000 tax per plant = $50,000,000,000,000 annually. Think he ain't HEARING THAT!
treehunger
Jul 25 2009, 1:07 pm
lab3 - bingo, usualis!
Head west. But can't all live in CA, it will be razed, and fall into the Pacific.
Build my Brownsville to Baja Canal/420 Act of 2009!
treehunger
Jul 25 2009, 12:54 pm
But as bongman said, "...dysphuntional" sarcastic, funny.
But there aren't that many posters in here with a brain, so ya'll keep goin at it, and I'm always willing to learn-n-burn. Much wisdom and inspiration to be found in here, if you're willing to see.
HU210
Jul 20 2009, 3:37 pm
That said, I was just rather kurt with lab3 over on the Prolfic Grower gets 7-1/2 years thread.
I guess the operative term here is "most of"
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Jul 20 2009, 1:47 pm
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jul 20 2009, 1:47 pm
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Jul 17 2009, 5:07 pm
HawkeyeZ
Jul 17 2009, 10:43 am
ohhhooooyeahh
Jul 17 2009, 2:16 am
gstlab3
Jul 17 2009, 12:49 am
bongbarian
Jul 16 2009, 11:45 pm
I see keeping it simple, treating it like alchol or tobacco, is the best route. And, as w/booze, you want to brew your own beer or make your own wine, go for it.
HU210
Jul 16 2009, 11:03 pm
Q.And what are they attempting to do with the high taxes on tobacco? A.Eliminate smoking. Wake up.
HU210
Jul 16 2009, 10:54 pm
It will be a trial in the street with guns and spilled blood this time!!!
Viva mexican cartels. Now thats the moxie that we (free and brave) American's should be demonstrating.
I got a good eye and a steady hand as my gun control!
How did Janis put it? Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose. Plus government only learns after enough of theirs die in the streets.
Remember, Capone was jailed for tax evasion. Not selling booze.
When government fears the people we have liberty. When the people fear the government we have tyrranny.
bongbarian
Jul 16 2009, 9:28 pm
So, you don’t think taxation, which should & will happen, isn’t a worthwhile trade off to end all the bullshit? To ensure people aren’t thrown in pokey for herb, as you were? (isn’t parole a Joy. How many, 3?)
I agree herb revenue should be closely scrutinized. Neither of us created the pay per child policies of the 60’s to create racial equality, nor were we the law makers that stood idly by while the ramifications wreaked havoc on urban America, not to mention broad scope financial destruction. Moot points while ramming down the gates oppression / weed prohibition.
Uncle Sam needs to wake up & smell the bong smoke. Progressively change & survive, or..
Rosie’s sniffing glue- She’s quoting prices of $150 an ounce, fine herb she’s talking about. GROW OPS SELL @ $200Z (bite the bullet, its worth it in the end)- $50 TO THE PEOPLE/ROSIE TAX, RETAIL PUMPS THEIR $50 1/8TH’S AND DOES JUST FINE. SMOKERS HAVE A WIDE SELECTION, ARE NO LONGER SNEAKING AROUND LIKE CRIMINALS; AND YOU & I WILL BE GROWING OUR OWN ANYWAYS.
anonymous
Jul 16 2009, 6:43 pm
The only legitimate tie it seemed to have were claims that it was backed by/associated with Change.org. Thus, the only logical thing to do was to contact Change.org for clarification. I just got this response:
Thanks for the note, Eric. We are in no way connected to the phone number you mentioned, and it also looks very much like a scam to us. We would really appreciate it if you would update your blog to let your readers know about this, as well as anyone else who may have been spreading the rumor that this is a legitimate number/operation, which it is almost certainly not. We will also try to write a blog post about it tomorrow clarifying things if we can find the time.
Thanks again for bringing this to our attention,
Ben Rattray
Founder and CEO, Change.org
Everything was pointing at “scam”, but this severs the last bit of potential legitimacy that the number had.
So please, DO NOT CALL 973-409-3274 as it appears to be a type of scam to either harvest phone numbers or even potentially charge you money by hitting the pound key (which would be the equivalent of you accepting charges).
STOP sharing this phone number as well. I literally sit and watch person after person share this on twitter thinking they are helping the cause when in reality they are just helping these scammers reach new victims. If you have shared this link, please post this update to let others know to keep an eye on their phone bill for any unauthorized charges.
Again, just to be clear: This number is not a legitimate polling number associated with any known marijuana advocacy group. Calling it does not help/support marijuana legislation in anyway and only risks you becoming a victim to some type of phone scam.
If you really want to help legalize marijuana, consider making a contribution to MPP, NORML, or other reputable, legitimate marijuana advocacy groups. Just like the many online petitions available, a “phone call poll” will hardly destroy prohibition.
Thanks again Mr. Rattray for your prompt response!
UPDATE: Here is what one victim had to say about their experience:
“i called and immediatly after i hung up i get a call from mediacom (my internet, phone, cable company) saying i have several new charges on my phone bill and they was chastising me bout it for like 5 minutes, i was like fuck it i’ll pay it, click.
so its a scam and now i have a few extra dollars to fork up on tha first!!!!”
Please help to spread this information especially on twitter to save people from experiencing this!
Tax exempt church
Jul 16 2009, 3:18 pm
Here we go
Jul 16 2009, 3:04 pm
cannasseur
Jul 16 2009, 2:57 pm
moo
Jul 16 2009, 10:27 am
gstlab3
Jul 15 2009, 11:52 pm
gstlab3
Jul 15 2009, 11:48 pm
BigChivas
Jul 15 2009, 10:35 pm
WEEDGOD
Jul 15 2009, 6:49 pm
THE MIGHTY WEEDGOD HAS SPOKEN!
TO GSTLAB3
Jul 15 2009, 6:06 pm
kinder
Jul 15 2009, 5:58 pm
wow.........such passion and at such a time when the prez
is getting ready to "reform" health care and the system.
Now you and i know this reform will fall short cause there
is no wording for cannibus no allowance for it's use not
even a maybe.But be sure of this,big drug co. are about to get FAT.
gstlab3
Jul 15 2009, 1:52 pm
herbage
Jul 15 2009, 12:20 pm
bongbarian
Jul 15 2009, 11:00 am
Gstlab3- You cant keep the government out of weed, they have been in it, they are in it, they will be in it. It has been, & is, a factor of incarceration, or institutionalizing risk takers & rule breakers that enter the green market, or simply smoke it. Try telling one of the thousands who have been burned in the past or are currently rotting in prison that the Gov. isn’t in weed. What we can do is change the future so this does not occur, while rectifying a ruined economy. Still doesn’t make sense to put that double barrel down for a minute or two? Keep fighting, adapt stratedgy!
Hmm, interesting, again; will take some time to digest that. But.. Believing all esoteric people follow a harmonious path would be as unrealistic as believing all politicians are trying to do the right thing; perhaps this is why there are so many solitary practitioners as the dance of life is an individual thing. Violating the free will factor, succumbing to materialism and being driven by the ego are accomplishments which earn an inverted pentagram badge; and yes they are the worse than the Dumb & Dirty Politician, & deserve the same fate. But lets finish the current battle, the tide has turned, the Green Rush is close.
Where’s the Treeman, hope they didn’t come thru the windows @ 4 in the morn..
hmm
Jul 15 2009, 10:59 am
Sam Stash
Jul 15 2009, 7:40 am
you just have to have alot of money, and they call POTHEADS stupied, huh! I'm sick & tired of the United States Government, "PLAYING GOD", with my choices of what I smoke, what I eat, or what I think. Ain't that why we left England to begin with. C'MOM PEOPLE WE CAN THINK FOR OURSELFS, we don't need all this GOVERNMENT. It's time to releave ourselfs of BAD politicians, if you can't do what we want done then we don't really need you in, WASHINGTON DC. And it wasn't a drug till the GOVERNMENT got a hold on it, it was a herb. DUMB-ASS GOVERNMENT!
AliNicole
Jul 15 2009, 7:04 am
14andlovingpot
Jul 15 2009, 4:38 am
gstlab3
Jul 14 2009, 9:40 pm
Sensemilla
Jul 14 2009, 9:38 pm
At any rate,the growing of those purty seedless buds are going to be harder with legalization.
illuminati?
Jul 14 2009, 9:11 pm
And if they are stupid enough to price and tax weed higher than that,they will be able to raise their prices. The boost to our economics will come when we quit sending billions of our dollars out of this country to buy from them.
gstlab3
Jul 14 2009, 9:11 pm
rhcp420
Jul 14 2009, 7:32 pm
ohyw
Jul 14 2009, 7:03 pm
Stanis Lascusava
Jul 14 2009, 4:47 pm
G
Jul 14 2009, 4:02 pm
iblowminds.com
spliffer
Jul 14 2009, 3:25 pm
hmm
Jul 14 2009, 3:23 pm
HU210
Jul 14 2009, 2:48 pm
/articles/2009/07/06/news/top/
doc4a528132b9e9f476288923.txt?show_
comments=true#commentdiv
Ever since HT changed the site (4/20/08). Nothing but fuckery when trying to post it seems = the post cuts stuff off or out from what is previewed.
I hope that you didnt pay the website designer.
gstlab3
Jul 14 2009, 2:32 pm
kottonmouth king
Jul 14 2009, 2:01 pm
HU210
Jul 14 2009, 1:54 pm
http://www.rapidcityjournal.com/articles/2009/07/06/news/top/doc4a528132b9e9f476288923.txt?show_comments=true#commentdiv
HU210
Jul 14 2009, 1:37 pm
If uncle scam wants revenue. He can tax hemp. Hemp industries jobs would also create a more consistant source of revenue, using an established collection veichle already in place. Eliminating the need to create another ineffecitve,expensive and oppressive, administrative government boondalge.
Lets put on our thinking caps. Before jumping on the tax weed bandwagon.
nug
Jul 14 2009, 1:37 pm
bongbarian
Jul 14 2009, 12:34 pm
hmm
Jul 14 2009, 9:53 am
bongbarian
Jul 14 2009, 9:46 am
And another LIAR or CLUELESS DRUG WAR CAVEMAN- “ the THC of marijuana in the '60s, hovered around one or two percent. THC today is around 27 to 30 percent” said Chief Bernard Melekian PLEASE CHIEF- IDENTIFY THE STRAIN!--- TOPPED ONLY BY HIS NEXT DISPLAY OF BRILLIANCE- "Fewer kids are using drugs today," he said. "We're not losing the war on drugs. Kids are starting to understand the negative, negative consequences of drug abuse.”
END THE LIES- FREE THE WEED
steven in iowa
Jul 14 2009, 4:17 am
LEGALIZE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WEEDGOD
Jul 14 2009, 2:49 am
THE MIGHTY WEEDGOD HAS SPOKEN!
mr. psychodelic
Jul 14 2009, 1:24 am
smokeyB.
Jul 14 2009, 12:20 am
justalabg3
Jul 14 2009, 12:08 am
gstlab3
Jul 13 2009, 10:54 pm
gstlab3
Jul 13 2009, 10:27 pm
gstlab3
Jul 13 2009, 10:21 pm
gstlab3
Jul 13 2009, 10:13 pm
gstlab3
Jul 13 2009, 10:11 pm
canada
Jul 13 2009, 8:04 pm
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