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HIGH TIMES Op-Ed: Just (Don’t) Vote (Stupid)

Thu, Oct 16, 2008 4:21 pm

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The following is an editorial written by HIGH TIMES contributor, Mike Hughes. It does not necessarily reflect the opinions of HIGH TIMES magazine. Please use the comment board for all scathing or derisive remarks addressed to him.

By Mike Hughes

Good Lord. Did anyone see that debate last night? It was full of fun facts. Apparently we’d have a better system for providing chemotherapy to cancer patients and reattaching severed ring fingers if only we would, at long last, beef up our middle school Phys Ed programs.

Also, someone named Joe Plumber took a central role in a debate over domestic policy. Who the fuck’s Joe? And what’s he got to do with it? My plumber’s name is Mitch and he thinks Dave Mustaine from Megadeth is running against Criss Angel for the President of Awesome.

John McCain frightens me. And I don’t mean that in the regular he-probably-masturbates-while-listening-to-The-Beach-Boys-and-fantasizing-about-disembowling-Hugo-Chavez-and-Mahmoud-Ahmadinejad-in-a-two-on-one-steel-cage-death-match.

And it has nothing to do with my intuition that his wife secretly sustains herself on the blood of puppies and only emerges in public under cover of darkness.

No. Well, I mean, I do mean all that. But he frightens and disturbs me on so many different levels all at the same time that by the end of the debate last night at 10:30 I was rocking back and forth in my bathtub scrubbing myself with a Brillo pad… Can’t…get…clean…

There’s just no logical way to deal with the horror…the very realistic, terrifying possibility that John McCain could be our next Commander-in-Chief.

Now, I don’t want to unnecessarily alarm anyone but the odds of McCain living through two terms in the White House are not great. If he doesn’t, we’re screwed. If he does, well, we’re also screwed.

What do I mean by that?

I mean that if McCain somehow maintains the helm for eight years the country will be no more. It will cease to be. It’ll kick the bucket, it’ll shuffle off its mortal coil, run down the curtain and join the bleeding choir invisible.

It will be an ex-country!

(Yeah, I stole that from Monty Python)

And should he expire in the midst of a term, we wouldn’t last a week and a half under Palin. She’d sell off the land via eBay state by “lower 48” state in exchange for some crude oil, his and hers matching moose hide boots and an Applebee’s gift card.

But back to McCain as this column cannot afford me the space necessary to deal with the absurd combination of arrogance and incompetence that is Sarah Palin.

Come on. The guy’s 72. Seventy-friggen-two! My granddad is 72 but the only nomination that came his way was for most-likely-to-burn-himself-with-soup. We had to take away his library card because he kept building book forts and declaring war on the Dewey Decimal System.

Age aside, the guy’s unstable, angry and stubborn (McCain, not my granddad. Well, OK, my granddad also).

This brings me to my point. What can you do to prevent the destruction of what has been (until roughly 2003) a pretty terrific country?

Are you undecided? Shoot yourself. There’s no excuse for it anymore – that hasn’t been a legitimate position since the primaries ended in June. When are you planning on making up your mind? You’ve got three weeks, slugger. Pick a friggen side – they couldn’t be more disparate. In fact, this year, to simplify it all for you undecided folk, the candidates even come in easy to distinguish black and white colors.

Enamored with a third party candidate? This column is addressed specifically to you. Please, for the love of God, stop kidding yourself. (Bear with me…)

Look, I’m all for third party candidates playing a larger role in what has become an all encompassing two party system. I think that viable third party/independent candidates should be allowed to debate and should enjoy all the benefits afforded to the greedy and entitled major parties. But that acceptance and equality did not occur this year and you’ve got to know when you’re beat.

If you don’t know, allow me to tell you: You are beat. The country is either going to elect John McCain or Barack Obama. Now, you can either be a part of that decision or a complete nonentity. It’s your choice.

I’m sorry if that was hard for you to read. Here’s an exercise. Go get a magic marker and some toilet paper. Now, write down your three favorite things about Ron Paul or Ralph Nader or Pakelika or Bobby Black or whomever you support. Got it written down? Good. Now drop it in the toilet and flush. It’s not going to happen in the next four years. I can’t take the pain away but hopefully that gives you some closure.

Hey, I understand that this is a bitter pill to swallow for some of you Internet ~~whackos~~ independents. I’m not saying that Ron Paul or Ralph Nader or Pakalika is without merit (well, actually, yes, I am saying Pakelika is without merit), I’m just saying they don’t have a chance. However, you have a chance to help save a country teetering on the edge of unmitigated disaster.

It’s generous, kind, safe, inoffensive and politically correct to say, “Just vote.” Unfortunately, with all that’s at stake this year, the harsher message is the necessary one: Just don’t vote stupid.

So, please, if you were planning on voting for a third party candidate or writing in your dog Mr. Snuggles or your roommate Steve or using the ballot to wipe your ass, reconsider. Just vote for Obama. You don’t have to tell anyone. It’ll be our secret. Just vote for Barack and then go on maintaining your air of defiance or apathy. None of your friends will know the difference until they all have jobs, healthcare, tax breaks and live in peace and prosperity.

It might hurt for a minute or two but if the other guy wins, you could be feeling the pain for the rest of your life.

» add a comment

LadyinRed

Feb 12 2010, 2:33 pm

Hey Mike! I want to get your email address. where can I find it? Thanks.

Defjr

Feb 8 2009, 10:58 pm

That is the point exactly. I and other like minded people have written to HT's editorial office. We dont even get a reply, or no thanks. This is what I mean about HT being in cahoots so to speak with this "editorial" viewpoint. Had they returned any one of my 5 emails, or 4 other friends emails, this would not have happened. But, they prefer to keep quiet, and hope nobody notices. Sorry, but I see through it.

Feb 6 2009, 7:03 pm

hey guys, check it:

"Editorial"

calm down...editorials aren't representative of the publication's views. they are OTHER's opinions that the publication prints. if anyone out there with an opposing viewpoint can write an article as well thought out as this one, send it to HT, I'm sure they'd publish it...as an editorial.

Defjr

Feb 3 2009, 3:20 pm

It is not a matter of dwelling/ not "getting over it", but a matter of alienating part of the community that wants to HELP get MJ legalized. By only offering ONE side of a political issue, it insinuates HT being on board with this editorials views, even with the disclaimer...which is a joke. They need to appologize, and allow all views, or keep the political opinions/ editorials out of the mag and site. I was not a McCain backer, but an INDEPENDANT. And reading this felt like an affront to my viewpoints if I wanted to vote that way. This site seems to have degraded to being little more than a comedy, and only concerned with its main demographic (highschool males). It would be refreshing to see them get serious about reform, and cater to all Pot smokers.

for dissapionted readers

Jan 16 2009, 8:15 pm

get the fuck over it. he explioted his opinion. you can either go with it or go against it. You don't have to make a big deal about his opinion. Don't get all mad at high times because they allowed a mans opion they said it was'nt there opinion so i don't see why everyones getting mad. Also, his opinion was right. if you would of voted john McCain in you would be at a downfall of a country probably.Obama has done many good things for the states, wich i live in canada. He ripped on goerge bush telling him that it is unnecessary for as much people to be in afgahnistan as there is wich was true. plus there are multiple ways how goerge fucked up, wich jon McCain would mnake the exact same decisions, so GO OBAMA!!! if your mad than you probaby wanted bush to still be president and that just proves your an idiot.

hey whining bitches

Nov 27 2008, 10:51 am

It doesn't say 3rd will never win, but it's obvious that they were not going to win THIS election, after 8 of bush and with the two strongly opposing views battling it out, no third party candidate had a chance against either one, much less both, and the writer was just trying to convey that no matter which of the two sides you prefer to sit on, they needed all the help they can get, and voting for third isn't helping anyone, so you should save it. Besides, who specifically would you prefer as a third party leader, let me guess, you'd say Paul, exept he didn't run as a third, he's a republican, so who then? oh well, NVM, too late, wait till next election.

FUCK HIGHTIMES

Nov 26 2008, 1:21 pm

I never thought ide see this from you guys. Your a bunch of sellouts only worried about more money. When will this madness stop God put Ganja here for a reason. Is the U.S. that Evil (yes they are) . I wish i wasnt a American there is nothing good about our country.

Barry Soetoro

Nov 24 2008, 5:06 am

(aka Barack Obama ) you fools ..........

irie

Nov 22 2008, 12:14 am

Check out the new reggae CD by T. Irie Dread. Not just some frat boys playing guitar. Real reggae. Your ears are safe. So check them out. T. Irie Dread

Mr. Highlife

Nov 21 2008, 12:16 pm

He's right about us being fucked with McCain serving two terms or palin taking over after McCain dies. But what he dosent mention is that we are equally fucked by Obama and his drug Nazi Vice President (Bidden is just as bad if not worse than anybody in the bush administration when it comes to weed...he's just a smoother talker)

beloved son of god

Nov 20 2008, 2:27 pm

fuck america

F McCane

Nov 20 2008, 1:38 pm

I never liked McCane, but for this author to say NOT to vote for a 3rd party candidate because "they cant win" is beyond idiot logic. Obviously we already know this. But imagine what the looser (Republicans) would be thinking now, if all those that truely want legalization had voted for a 3rd party. The Repubs would have to re-think their role in the continuing "war" on marijuana in hopes of appealing to them for the next elections. And as far as Mr Obama being "for" medicinal use, you are fooling yourself. He never promised, it is called a viewpoint. These are things a candidate says during elections that more than likely will never happen. Why else would 2 of his first appoinments be ex drug Czars?? Come on people, when are you all going to stop beliving the lies the 2 main parties have been perpetrating on the American people for the past 20+ years?

truth

Nov 19 2008, 8:39 pm

For all of those people saying that McCain will help pot-heads, you're wrong. If you have read either of their stances on marijuana; McCain is completly against it, and Obama supports medicinal. So for those who think McCain is a good choice, go FUCK yourselves and learn some simple information. All McCain cares about is big-business and how much money he can get from them. And for the news... its mostly propaganda and random bullshit for good ratings.

Proof is in the pudding

Nov 19 2008, 4:20 pm

As I have said, no response for HT on this article. I have even emailed them. So I guess they dont want me as a subscriber anymore. Just as well. I have finally seen through their lies and deciet. But I will not stop trying to show the rest of you how HT is just using the Legalize community.

Hightimes?

Nov 15 2008, 3:41 pm

A disclaimer does not give you the right to bash somebody for voting how they belive. Be it Dem, Rep, Lib, Green, or any other party. Is this how Hightimes gets its true beliefs out, while hoping to keep the dummies from blaming them for the deluge of people who are not only in disagreement with the article, but genuinly feel attack, belittled, and poo-ed on? Good job guys. I wish I could tell my customers to f themselvs and their views by simply inserting a "disclaimer".

Maybe I should wear a disclaimer as a nametag so when i tell a customer she is a fat cow, I wont get my company in trouble for it...........DUH??

Question

Nov 15 2008, 3:36 pm

In the disclaimer it states to post issues with the author in the Comment section. Why are we directed to post there if he is not going to reply, or any other HT employee? This is a joke..........Because there is no excuse for this kind of article, and he has nothing to back up his assertations. But hey, he doesnt care. He got his candidate in there. Now we will not only never hear him try and back any of his claims, but he is free to be a Lobbyist for some other Corporation/ or person and con people into idiodic decisions. People like you disgust me, and even with your "disclaimer", You HIGHTIMES, have disapointed me even more.

DISCLAIMER

Nov 15 2008, 3:28 pm

"The following is an editorial by Joe Blow. I do not endorse or back the beliefs and statements that follow"

Hightimes is a sellout. Everyone should cancel their memberships as a response to their proliferation of coolaid passing accross America. With the logic of the guy that wrote this crap, all of us that THOUGHT HT was on the legalization/ decriminalization side, we should all just "give up" it may be "hard to swallow" and be "bitter and painfull", but it is just not going to happen in the next 4 years.........do you idiots see where i am going with this?

Im obviously not as dense as the person who wrote this shit.

Sorry HT

Nov 15 2008, 3:22 pm

Sorry Hightimes, as much as i love your article I have to agree with the last post. This is unacceptable.

"The following is an editorial written by HIGH TIMES contributor, Mike Hughes. It does not necessarily reflect the opinions of HIGH TIMES magazine. Please use the comment board for all scathing or derisive remarks addressed to him."

Can you guys grow a pair and either allow oposing view editorials, or risk loosing people to your obvious partisan beliefs. You are burning bridges within the Legalize community. I never would have thought I would see this from here.

DEEPLY CONCERNED

Hightimes has lost me

Nov 15 2008, 3:13 pm

I know the lawyers had to be screeming to put that "Hightimes does not endorse....blah fucking blah" line that preceded this horrible article. It was obvious from the language of calling anyone that was going to vote 3rd party as "morons" oh thats right it WAS crossed out. Screw you. How about shutting your mouth and allowing people to think for themselves. Who cares if my vote was "wasted" in the authors mind, ITS MY FUCKING VOTE DICK!! If I want Marry fucking Popins as pres thats my choice. I now see HT hides behind its "editorial" content to the point of being just another special interest group trying to convince people to follow the rest of the zombies without a brain. Because HT did not have the balls to tell this guy to write this article without bashing people for their views, but let it print as is, I know they feel the same. And as such, I have cancelled my subscription and will not re-instate it, untill such time as an HT employee writes an article recinding this kind of talk. Atleast this guy got what he wanted, Mr Obama is going to be our next Prez. I would have voted for him myself untill he picked the ex drug czar Biden as his VP. So now what happends if God forbid Obama is assasinated, or dies unexpectedly (I DO NOT PROMOTE OR WANT THIS)? Lets look at it:
1) This country tears itself apart with riots and worse
2)Racism takes a giant leep backwards
3)We get a drug Czar as President
4)We become more in debt than we already are (the Dems have outspent every Rep admin for the past 50 years.....void the last 8 of the lame duck Bush)
I am a TRUE INDEPENDANT. So stop trying to brainwash me into your logic, as i see its faults

Utter disapointment

Nov 15 2008, 2:58 pm

I was dumbfounded while reading this article, and even moreso while reading the responses. How easily people just throw their hands up and say "it cant happen (3rd party candidate)so give up and vote for somebody from either or" Not only do I see this as an outright attack on my rights to decide for myself, but yet another sheep following the herd. The author states his OPINION of what each Candidate would or would not do. NOTHING was based on factual info. He resorts to scare tactics of "the US is doomed if Obama didnt win". Dont get me wrong, I dislike McCane as much as the author. But I would never throw the baby out with the bath water. It would have been nice to see atleast ONE person with media contacts such as this author to state the obvious. I am a true beliver that untill a 3rd party candidate receives FAIR treatment, that being unabaited access to all the debates, equall spending for all candidates, and FAIR MEDIA COVERAGE, that we as a country will continue to meander into oblivion that the author only attributes to McCane. I have a great deal of respect for Mr Obama, he is a personable man. Great self assurance, and yes a hell of a politian. BUT, is he better than any of the 3rd party candidates? We will never know. This is due to people such as this author, and ALL OF THE MEDIA, that treats the Election for the President of the United States like a High School prom vote.

monster-truck-token

Nov 14 2008, 12:36 am

PAKELIKA for pres!

Don't be stupid

Nov 4 2008, 1:18 pm

there is a huge difference between the two candidates, anyone telling you otherwise is uninformed or selling you something, and the clearly different paths that are ahead can either take us to the top of the mountain or lead us off a cliff. I won't tell you who is who, that's for you to figure out, I'm just letting you know that we are at a crossroads, one of the two will win.

Vote Nader

Nov 3 2008, 5:27 pm

Sitting around allowing evil corrupt men to run our country
is pure apathy.If you do not go out and vote your conscious
then you are wasting your vote. Time to make change and do
something about it. If you vote for a corrupt politician
you are enabling corruption. I guess the young generation
is the only ones that seem to care. We refuse to vote for
people our parents was spoon feed by our grandparents. We
dispise corruption. We are going to have to deal with all
the mess that the baby boomers have helped cause. We are
sick of the mess that we are in. People wake up and stop
voting for evil corrupt men who could care less about the
People of the United States Of America. It is not too late
to vote for people with real ideas that can make positive
change. Vote for Ralph Nader and Matt Gonzalez other wise you will not have a future. I guess all the hippies have
smoked themselves retarted. They must have because they
keep voting for the same old republicans and democrats
that never do a damn thing to help the country. They sure
know how to spend money that is not theirs and money we
do not have. Yeah lets just print out more paper money
and go deeper into debt. Fuck the establishment, it is
time for real change. Too many people are afraid to go out
and protest. People are afraid to get out of their comfort
zone and make real change.

And then

Nov 3 2008, 4:32 am

there is the theory that bad shit happens no matter what,regardless of who is sitting in the oval office . The object of the game is to have your preference be sitting in office when it happens . Pointing fingers and throwing blame around may make you feel good , but its really pointless .
I personlly think there wouldn't be much difference in this country had the last two elections went the other way myself.
I am not alone in that thinking .

Vote Nader

Nov 2 2008, 2:34 pm

Look people McCain could not give a fuck about anybody
except for the corporations. If McCain is going to
clean up Wall Street he would not have pushed for the
bail out for the Wall Street Speculators and Banks.
Oh , McCain and Obama both endorsed the bail out. They
could care less about the American People. Obama and
McCain serve the Corporations that has contributed
millions to their campains. Look at the campaign web
sites and look at the issues link on their web sites.
You will see that both Obama and McCain is all about
wasting tax payer money and continued effort in war.
If you vote for Obama or McCain you might as well be
throwing your childrens future down the toilet. I feel
that the Baby Boomers are a bunch of sell outs and are
to blame for continued voting for either Republicans
or Democrats. There is other third party candidates
out there that will make a difference. Yet the Baby
Boomers continue to vote for evil Republicans and
Democrats that over all these years have not done a
damn thing but destroy our democracy and put us in
over trillions of dollars in debt. When will they
ever open their eyes and see that the democrats and
the republicans will never make any positive change.
It is time to clean up the White House and vote for
someone who will bring positive change. Vote for
Ralph Nader and Matt Gonzalez November 4,2008.

grim_trickster

Nov 2 2008, 2:17 pm

I am voting for Ralph Nader because he has real ideas
that will change this country for the better. Voting
for the least evil is a wasted vote. Best to vote
your conscious than vote for someone you do not really
believe in. Obama wants to increase spending as well
as McCain. They both want war and to continue this
war on terror. There is no difference between Obama
and McCain. Vote for Ralph Nader and Matt Gonzalez
for real change and to a brighter future.

I mean really,

Oct 24 2008, 5:52 pm

C'mon, you serious? anonymous rich bitch thinks that if obama's elected thet they'd have to fire "the help", you know, people who dress them in the morning or whatever else, just because the tax rate would go back to what it was under clinton when he undoes bush's bad tax cut for the people making over a quarter million a year? and you think that you'll have any money left if mccain gets elected and throws this country down the toilet with his bad policies and lets the wars completely drain our military and destroy our economy by only kissing big companies ass and then watch them send jobs overseas and go bankrupt anyway, makes about 5 CEO's rich, but fucks over everyone else. That isn't how to help the econonmy recover, there's no trickle down, not everyone works at rich people's houses, in fact nowadays most people can't even aford houses, they just barly make enough to rent an apartment and pay bills and still eat. Instead of giving all the tax breaks to people who can afford people, perhaps giving a tax break to the people who need it is a good idea, and maybe give healthcare to the people who can't pay for it, maybe finish up this mess of a war that W. got us into.

Seriously?

Oct 24 2008, 5:30 pm

That's a joke right? You've got to be kidding...

UMM

Oct 24 2008, 9:07 am

IF THE USA HAD ANY BRAINS AT ALL, THEY WOULD HAVE ENDORSED RON PAUL.
AMERICA. LAND OF WAR AND IMPRISONMENT

anonymous

Oct 24 2008, 1:25 am

To the guy who calls Me a fool. Did you get a dollar or a smoke for your vote?

anonymous

Oct 24 2008, 1:09 am

Please vote for John McCain & Sara Palin. These two will clean up the Crooks in the goverment. some will go to jail and most will lose their jobs. They will cut waste and theft of our tax money. Think about the people around you and you will see they work for a small company that if it could aford to give its good employees more money or perks instead of paying more taxes or fines it would. When I roll a joint I use the best pot and papers I can get. And I don't mind paying for it When I can. I feel the same way about my help. If oboma wins he will take away my ability to keep some of my help when things slow down for the winter. maybe I will lose a guy or two. The will find somwhere else to work and when things pick up again I will be at a loss. I don't want that to happen. these guys are the people that put me where I am today, Congress and people like Oboma and companys he supports like acorn giving money to people who they knew couldn't pay it back was like fronting a kid crack and expecting him to pay it back. This redistrabution of my income is a one time thing to buy your vote. then they keep taking and keep the rest. and maybe you or one of your freinds or family loses his or her job. We need transparancy in our goverment. We need Sara Palin and John McCain. . and Thanks for Your time. Pray for us

ahem..

Oct 23 2008, 11:23 pm

Perhaps we should look at their policies as well, from that aspect it's clear obama would be better for america, and BTW let's hope that the secret service know's how to protect the president from people who hate him by now, I'm sure they've had plenty of practice protecting bush, so if the k's try something if obama wins, perhaps the secret service will do something besides stand there, I'm sure the're getting bored from all that standing around, it might be good for them to have something to look out for, not that I hope anyone tries anything, I'm just saying their job might not be so boring if obama's the president, if mccain wins their main concern will be signs of a heart attack or stroke, maybe the occasional riot.

chels420

Oct 23 2008, 9:41 pm

man we're fucked either way, i mean look at what we have to choose from, a grandpa and someone who will be assaniated and i am not being racist so shut the fuck up if thats what you think but there is the kkk yo so either way we need to be lookin at whos going to replace these dumbasses when the hit the bucket. i totaly agree FUCK THE GOVERNMENT!!! they need to dig a hole and just stay there where they destory themselves not us!!!

to "anonymous"

Oct 23 2008, 9:30 pm

BWA HA HA HA HAHA! Newscorp, look it up dummy! Spoiler alert, It's a privatly owned(by rupert murdoch) propaganda machine posing as a news organization, with fox news as it's spearhead. They are the exact opposite of unbiased news. and BTW, people were growing weed here for many years before there even were political parties. mccain is another manchurian candidate, who will only keep us in the shitstorm bush put us in, that fact that you think bush kept us safe shows us something about your warped mindset, our persence in Iraq gives al-caterers all the recruiting tools they could ever need, while bush has us spending more in Iraq in 3 weeks than we've spent in the entire 7 years of war in afganistan, talk about misplaced priorities! let me repeat that, we spend more on iraq every 3 weeks then we've spent in total on the war in afganistan. mccain will continue that and other bad ideas. the only way to change the bad direction this country is in is with a better president, mccain is a worse one, obama's ideas have been proven to be right time after time, so much so that mccain is making a habit of stealing his ideas. not to mention that mccain can't even get photo op's strait without messing up, and you want him in the most powerful chair of all? You're a fool.

charlie

Oct 23 2008, 9:08 pm

i agree with sirsmokealot...fuck the government, we need to make a god damn change, America does not yet realize that every single one of there original rights have been stolen from them...i only wish that this change is made in my childrens lifetime so they dont have to put up with the corruption of the world and can live a free and peaceful life...."emancipate yourselves from mental slavery, none but ourselves can free our mind"

umm

Oct 23 2008, 4:28 pm

Fox news=propaganda. The propaganda that news organizations spout isn't usually in the best interest of our country or us; in my fine opinion.
I suggest watching huckleberry hound instead. Its just alot more fun.
♥

umm

Oct 23 2008, 6:28 am

I agree . Plus , Fox News has been proven to be safer than water !

anonymous

Oct 23 2008, 12:51 am

Vote For JOHN MCCAIN !!! Oboma is not going to do anything for pot heads if he wins. I remember when most pot smokers were pro America. Oboma is a racist as is his wife. If it wasn't for republicans not caring about pot we wouldn't have any growing in this country. A vote for oboma would be like your local bartender. He's smart but doesn't have what it takes to run our country. I can take care of myself can't you. Bush kept us safe for 8 years while the dems killed our banks. Watch Fox news for the uncut news.

hmm

Oct 21 2008, 7:58 pm

Anyone know why Touche' Turtles's sword has a crooked place on it?
Thoughts that make you go hmm...

To "The Sage"

Oct 19 2008, 7:12 pm

Cool, Glad someone is calling these bold faced liars on their lies, I'm sick of all the bullcrap that is clearly bullcrap but somehow is "accepted as fact" by the people in charge of drug laws, good post, Go get 'em, MPP! Set the truth free!

to "allseeingeye"

Oct 19 2008, 7:04 pm

Excuse me?? did you call me a meth head? Fuck meth and Fuck you right in that blind eye of your's! I swear if all you've got is blind insult slinging than you should never be involved in any discussion about serious issues again, and probably throw out your computer. and yes, I was warning people about how shitty bush would be, and I was right.

to below DALE

Oct 19 2008, 10:05 am

to below

Oct 19 2008, 10:04 am

Thats almost the exact thing that was said before the last two elections with Gore and Kerry .
How'd that go ? .......just a thought .

The Sage

Oct 19 2008, 10:00 am

OFF TOPIC
Data Quality Act Complaint Filed Against Drug Czar
October 17, 2008

MPP Charges White House Office with Distributing False Information; Charge Is Latest of Many Controversies Surrounding ONDCP

(Washington, D.C.) The Marijuana Policy Project has filed a formal request for correction of erroneous information distributed by the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy, pursuant to the law commonly referred to as the Data Quality Act. The petition seeks correction of false information contained in ONDCP's 2008 Marijuana Sourcebook, released in July.

The petition, filed late Thursday afternoon pursuant to Pub. L. 106-554, amending Paperwork Reduction Act, 44 U.S.C. �� 3501 et seq., focuses on the Sourcebook's title, "Marijuana: The Greatest Cause of Illegal Drug Abuse," a claim that is not supported by scientific data, including the data in the Sourcebook — and is actually contradicted by some of its contents, as well as by other ONDCP materials.

"The claim that marijuana is 'the greatest cause of illegal drug abuse' is blatantly false," said Aaron Houston, MPP's director of government relations. "Marijuana is widely used, but any claim that it actually causes drug abuse — much less that it's the greatest cause — rests on the so-called 'gateway theory,' which has been debunked so often it's hard to believe drug czar John Walters can still mention it with a straight face."

MPP's complaint notes that guidelines adopted by the Office of Management and Budget and ONDCP pursuant to the Data Quality Act require that information disseminated must be "accurate, reliable and unbiased" and presented in an "accurate, clear, complete, and unbiased manner" — tests the Sourcebook clearly fails.

Walters has been the subject of multiple controversies in recent days. A report released this week by the House Committee on Government Oversight and Reform found that Walters attended 19 events suggested by Karl Rove's office in order to help Republican candidates, in apparent violation of the ban on use of public funds for partisan activities. And a study published online Thursday by the American Journal of Public Health found that ONDCP's anti-marijuana campaign had failed to change teen attitudes about marijuana despite expenditures of hundreds of millions of tax dollars.

For a copy of the full complaint, contact Dan Bernath at 202-462-5747 ext. 2030 or DBernath (at) mpp.org.

With more than 25,000 members and 100,000 e-mail subscribers nationwide, the Marijuana Policy Project is the largest marijuana policy reform organization in the United States. MPP believes that the best way to minimize the harm associated with marijuana is to regulate marijuana in a manner similar to alcohol. For more information, please visit http://MarijuanaPolicy.org.

Dale

Oct 19 2008, 5:38 am

This race is already over! Obama will win, regardless of any factor other than a jucy scandal, or assasination. Human greed, a defining parameter of our race caused it. Same thing happened in Rome. Corruption fucked those who were not in power, to boost those who were. I only hope that Obama will react to things like funding stem-cell research with more intelligence and compassion than Busch jr has. Other than that, America is falling from prominance as the nation that can foolishly claim to be the greatest on earth. We are all human beings, including those in smaller countries. The only real measure of greatness is the good done on behalf of the peoples of the world and ourselves. Right now, we fail in that department and the rest of the world knows it despite the fact that many of our own citizens do not. Vote-away folks, Oh and that smell? I farted in the booth just before you got in it...

allseeingeye

Oct 19 2008, 4:26 am

this is your first election. you didnt warn anybody about anything.
rambling meth head anyway

to third party guy

Oct 19 2008, 2:58 am

We warned you guys about bush, but did you listen? noooo, you just pissed away your vote. do you think all politicains are liars? what about the third party politicians, are the exempt from the rule? why, because some of them sometimes say things you like? don't you think that could be the same trick you accuse democrats of, even though dirty tricks and lies about platforms is trademark republican behaivor? you hear one guy lie right to your face and lie about the other guy, the stuff he plans that is true is a terrible idea, and you hear another guy talking about his plan to help people and balance out things and make smart decisions that you agree with, and after listening to them both, you somehow decide they are equally bad and the the second guy is just teasing you and using his ideas as bait to get votes, and that he will not follow his own ideas or listen to new ones, and say that the other guy may be bad, but "the lesser of two evils is still evil"? do you see the problem with that? you dismiss a perfectly good candidate because his plans are so good that you think "he has to be lying"? and even if that guy will end the war safely and end raids on medical marijuana patients, for starters, you still think it's better to call them both liars and waste(YES, WASTE) your vote on third parties with a false hope that it might somehow change the world overnight? and worse, you don't care if it means you helped the worse one win because you beLIEve that it will "get people thinking and force 'the big two' to reconsider pot laws specifically because they want to kiss a weak third parties voters ass?" GET REAL! what are you on? Hot glue? Do you have any clue how absolutly rediculous and self destructive that is? Please wake the fuck up, and I know that term has been thrown around alot lately, but seriously, think outside of the friggin' box for two seconds, please! Look at yourself, look at what you've been reduced to, do you honestly believe for even a second that it's even mathmatically possible to get a third party elected this year, or even break 5% nationwide? and that's being generous, it's gonna be more like 3% even if you convinced 1000 people a day! which I hope doesn't happen, what would that say of the collective intelligence of americans? C'mon, this article was written for a reason, and No, not because of bias or to "keep us down", it's because voter responsibility is an important concept to grasp, and because all the facts point to one undeniable conclusion, that letting republicans keep control under john mccains rule would be the worst possible outcome of this election, and voting third, wheather you realize it or admit it or not, helps mccain win, you may have some reservations about supporting obama for whatever reason(or due to whatever lie that you've been convinced was true) but the fact remains, mccain is much much worse, and it is our duty as thinking american voters to vote against what we know would be bad for the entire world. Don't let mccain and the republicans win again, vote against him, and for his opposition, Barack Obama.

Oct 19 2008, 12:14 am

Entertaining editorial Mike!! I agree with some of it too! But anyone who thinks that ANYBODY that is elected will change ANYTHING is sadly mistaken!! They(entrenched politicians)have us(what's left of middle-class America)exactly where they want us....BY THE BALLS!!! They all say they feel our pain and understand our problems.We believe and elect and get the same shit!! Third party candidates are a GREAT idea or should I say PIPE DREAM!! Pun intended! They will NEVER make it past the primaries! People in power feel NO pain and have NO problems except getting caught in their scandalous affairs and unethical practices.Bottom line the rich get richer and the poor get poorer and the working man and woman pay for the screwups!If I sound disillusioned I'm not....I'm PISSED!!!!!!Been voting since '68 and have watched things get progressively worse!!Short of violent revolution(i.e.American revolt against oppressive tyranny)things will never change..they're not meant to!!! The first two words of the editorial say it all....GOOD LORD......come back annd help us!!!!!!

3rd party kinda guy

Oct 18 2008, 4:40 pm

Votes for 3rd parties are not wasted votes, retard. In many states, 3rd parties have difficulty even making it onto the ballots because of extremely tough restrictions created by the Big 2. If more people followed their hearts, instead of listening to idiots that preach of emminent disaster before EVERY election, we could actually get those patrties/candidates more attention and easier access onto ballots in the future. Dems and Neo-cons will both destroy this country, its just a matter of how fast and in which manner.

all caps

Oct 18 2008, 4:36 pm

step away from the cheeseburger

To the Obama-ites

Oct 18 2008, 8:21 am

You have been duped . The world isn't flat , we have been to the moon and Obama never promised to do anything about weed arrests . These facts will get you to the next level in life !

like I said

Oct 18 2008, 8:21 am

Almost every fact. I stopped reading about halfway through the first time. you seem conflicted.

to aevismokesbud

Oct 18 2008, 8:18 am

you are wrong on alot of points, you are wrong on almost every "fact" you've stated in that post, you are a liar or you have been lied to, in anycase, you are spreading lies. do some damn research into the candidates actual positions and plans, watch the debates, they are all online still, because you've got it all wrong.

newscorp

Oct 18 2008, 8:12 am

rupert murdochs media empire, yes, he owns a good portion of the news that people hear, but not all of it. his influence is most obvious when watching fox news. however, I don't watch fox news, or the other spin offs of ruperts republican agenda, I watch MSNBC, or I would if I still had Cable, they are the realest and perhaps the only credible news channel left. I watch Countdown with Keith Olberman online, I used to watch Hardball, and their regular news coverage is unbiased and straitforward, no filler, and updates on breaking news every 15 minutes. my point is that just because some info is from tv doesn't mean it's biased spin like fox, and we aren't being "suckered" into voting for obama, I don't base any decisions on what I hear on tv alone.

hey look more Idiots!

Oct 18 2008, 7:57 am

you people are crazy. you are exactly the type who shouldn't vote. uninformed idiots who clog up the ballot boxes with votes for jesus and snoop dog and nader and anita bonghit and paul, making votes that actually matter worth less, if not worthless. you think you're fighting for change? you're fighting AGAINST IT, dummy. you think both parties are bad? Oversimplification and self-destructive behavior at it's worst. you think the writer is biased? You're the idiot who can't see what's right in front of you and ignores the facts. you think obama voters have been duped? Look at yourselves, look where you are, they've got you so confused you aren't even part of the election anymore, you're an impedement! they have tricked you into giving up your vote and even turned you into a tool to keep them in power by convincing others who aren't diehard republicans into not voting as well! Wake the fuck up, you are being used!

ahFUCKagain

Oct 17 2008, 7:09 pm

Oh, and fuck the idiot who wrote this pathetic fucking editorial.

ahFUCK

Oct 17 2008, 7:08 pm

I'm so fucking sick and tired of these fucking idiots running around blowing Obama's horn thinking they are going to 'save' the country. Just because he's different and not an elderly, rich, white male does not mean he's going to give us anything different than we have been getting. And here's what we have been getting: Corporations run this country. If you have a lot of money, you take some of that money, give it to people who have the power to make you more money in exchange for them making laws that benefit your business. The guy below that had the Frank Zappa song was right on the money. 95% of the people in this country get the entirety of their political information by sitting down and watching the TV. Guess what people, Television is a business too! And they're going to do everything they can, along with all of the other big businesses, to hold on to the power they currently have, the power of lining their own pockets with the citizens' dollars. Wake the fuck up. If you look at the actual fucking policies that affect us in our every day lives, you'll see that Obama and McCain are no fucking different. Obama offers no change, it's just a fucking word he throws around because the American people aren't so fucking stupid that they don't realize something needs to change in this country, but they are too fucking stupid to understand how it actually needs to happen. Fuck all of you idiots who are either too lazy or don't have enough neurons to rub together to figure out what the fuck is going on in this country, and especially fuck all of you idiots who think you're actually going to do something good for this country by voting for Obama. Until we can break the fucking mold of these media propped, 2 party exclusive candidates, we're going to continue to be fucked right in the ass daily by the people that have all the money in the country. And I have no faith that that will actually happen because of the complete mental stagnation of our society. Yeah, keep watching your fucking reality TV shows while the country your ancestors fought to make is stolen right from under your fucking noses.

Stash Riprock

Oct 17 2008, 6:31 pm

The Obama cult on this site appear to be spooky stupid .
Thats so stupid they're a danger to themselves and those around them . I'm sure Obama will bless them .
I'm thinking about flipping a coin on election day .

stoned

Oct 17 2008, 5:57 pm

they are both liars cheaters and stealers a few if that of there so called changeing proposals will accually go into affect. fuck them all!!!!

HU210

Oct 17 2008, 4:26 pm

What can a US President really do?
1)Submitt a budget 2) sign or veto bills 3) Issue executive orders 4) Pardon criminals 5) Use his office as a bully pulpit to attempt to influence congress to do things on his agenda.(no offence to women intended with my use of the term "his")

What we all should really be doing is paying close attention who we send to congress, because congress writes the laws. Not the president.

The whole circus presented to us by the corperations and the corperate media. Remind me of an old tune by Frank Zappa titled "I'm the Slime" It goes like this:

I am gross and perverted
I'm obsessed and deranged
I have existed for years
But very little has changed
I'm the tool of the government
And industry too
For I am destined to rule and regulate you

I may be vile and pernicious
But you cant look away
I make you think I'm delicious
With the stuff that I say
I'm the best you can get
Have you guessed me yet?
I am the slime ozzin' out from your TV set

You will obey me while I lead you
And eat the garbage that I feed you
Until the day that we dont need you
Dont call for help...no one will heed you
Your mind is totally controlled
It has been stuffed into my mold
And you will do as you are told
Until the rights to you have been sold

Thats right folks... dont touch that dial

Well I am the slime from your video
Cant stop the slime people, look at me go

This is what we get when we vote for Republi-crats and Dem-publicans. And why I am voting 3rd party.

Fuck it, I'm going fishing!

John McCain

Oct 17 2008, 12:58 pm

Watch my Video at:
http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/

CSI:Stickyicky

Oct 17 2008, 12:49 pm

i think the point to the article, for those of you who still plan to not vote or vote for some independent, is that Barack Obama, whatever policies of his you agree with or disagree with, is our ONLY CHANCE to KEEP THE REPUBLICANS OUT!!! If the republicans remain the head of the legislative branch, the same people, ideals, foreign policy, and financial policies will remain in control of America. You may like your independent candidate better, but right now, what is most important is banding together to keep Mccain out!

Also, of course pot is a major issue for me, but i live far from a medical state, where it is completely illegal, and i'm still able to get it. Reading the news everyday during the bush administration just stresses me out making me vape more anyway. The point is, Barack's pot policy shouldn't sway you from voting from him, and it sure as fuck isnt gonna get legal under mccain. and a VOTE FOR ANYONE OTHER THAN OBAMA, IS A VOTE FOR MCCAIN!!!!

To dk teargas

Oct 17 2008, 12:28 pm

To whom are you referring when you address "dude"?

dk teargas

Oct 17 2008, 12:17 pm

dude you should shoot yourself.

CSI:Stickyicky

Oct 17 2008, 11:58 am

Sweet! For four years now, i've been crossing my fingers that people would finally wake up and do the right thing this election. I think bush fucked it up enough for even stupid people to see. personally, i lost all faith in american society after the last 2 presidential elections, and i am optimistic about the future of our place in the world for the first time in 8 years! ive got a bottle of champagne ready, vote obama, or you are a complete moron!!!

aevismokesbud

Oct 17 2008, 11:35 am

early voting began here, in cook county, on colombus day. i voted for ralph nader. the high times editor who wrote the article we're all posting in response to is wrong. its sad and counter productive for a publication like high times, which is 'counter-cultural', to allow such a conservative, pro-status quo person write an editorial for the publication. why does all the writing for the magazine come from ex metal heads and stoners? do any of your staff have degrees in, say, journalism? there were so many errors, grammatical and technical, in mike's editorial that i found myself editing it along the way, solely for purposes of comprehension. with regards to the substance of his editorial: advocating for the two party state undermines american democracy and undermines the high times magazine audience. "hahaha, dude i love being seen as a criminal in a state where i pay taxes" "yea, bro gnarly. let's smoke" fuck that. democrats and republicans are against you, against pot smokers and against working people. barack obama doesn't support free-single payer health insurance for everyone, a system of care endorsed by the american medical association. barack supports a system where everyone is required to purchase health insurance on the private market. how is consumerism going to help america? consumerism is one of the reasons america is so fucked up today. the editorial writer also asserts america's greatness, prior to 2003. are you crazy? america sucks. american racistly removed, through genocide, native americans. americans enslaved africans for 300+ years. americans passed the chinese exclusion act and interned japanese americans during wwII. america denied women the right to vote until 1920! how pathetic. america has spearheaded the anti marijuana movement globally. america is against our community. high times should fire the ass wipe who wrote this article, how dare you advocate candidates that would pursue policies against the cannabis community. america isn't just out to get minorities either. america doesn't care about poor whites or old people. vote your conscience and your pocket book. vote for ralph nader. barack obama supports a reading of the second amendment that allows people to own guns!!!! ahhhhhh! that's peace and love? guns are the opposite of peace and love. guns are bad.barack obama wants to invade pakistan and kill osama bin laden. why should stoners vote for someone who wants to kill people? why do you smoke? are you a guru or a drug addict? are you a hippie or a capitalist poser? who are we? be more than ex metal heads and living poster boards for why weed is illegal. be smart, be philosophical, be historically accurate. be progressive in your worldview and finally, be against anyone like the writer of this article and 'wayne' (comment posted below)

and especially for HU210

Oct 17 2008, 9:56 am

You=bullshit+spin+misquotes+spam+wrong+bias+misinformation+ gullible+moron+narrow-minded+attention addict

hey

Oct 17 2008, 9:39 am

first, Wayne, go lick wet paint, it can't do mare damage to your brain than is already done, second, lets see, well, looks like theres 5 or 6 Idiots here, going one by one would take all day, so I'll speak in general. looks like alot of you and still clinging to hope that third will rise up to win this year or be the difference maker that will have people talking, come close, I've got something I need to share with you,... closer... SLAP!!!! (SLAP SO HARD YOU FALL TO THE FLOOR 5 FEET AWAY!) SLAP AGAIN! (A SLAP THAT KNOCKS YOUR BRAIN BACK INTO PLACE, HOPEFULLY) WAKE THE FUCK UP!!! YOU DUMB PIECE OF SHIT, THIS IS NO TIME TO "BE CUTE" AND RUIN ANOTHER IMPORTANT ELECTION, IF YOU THINK OBAMA WON"T DO ANYTHING TO CHANGE POT LAWS YOU ARE WRONG, FOR ONE, FOR ANOTHER THING THIS IS TOO IMPORTANT AN ELECTION TO WASTE, MCCAIN IS THE REAL DANGER HERE, NOT OBAMA, DON'T BELIEVE MCCAIN'S BULLSHIT LIES, HE WILL FUCK US OVER WORSE THAN BUSH, WHAT'S THE WORST OBAMA WOULD DO, MOVE TOO SLOW ON POT LAWS? YOU'LL SMOKE ANYWAY, AT LEAST WITH OBAMA IF YOU'RE SICK HE'LL PROTECT YOU FROM THE FED'S INTERFERANCE WITH STATE LAWS ON MEDICAL MARIJUANA, MCCAIN WILL MAKE THE LAWS HARSHER, AND WILL NEVER SIGN A LEGALIZATION BILL IF IT REACHES HIS DESK. NOT TO MENTION EVERYTHING ELSE THAT IS WRONG AND HORRIBLE IF MCCAIN GETS ELECTED, DON'T FUCK AROUND ON THIS, EITHER VOTE TO SAVE THIS COUNTRY FROM ANOTHER CORRUPT CRAZY OLD REPUBLICAN OR DON"T VOTE. HOW HARD CAN IT FUCKING BE??? OBAMA OR MCCAIN, THOSE ARE THE CHOICES, IF YOU WANT A THIRD PARTY IN OFFICE, WAIT UNTIL 2012 OR 2016, BUILD YOUR CASE FOR IT, PUSH FOR THEM TO BE IN THE DEBATES, DO IT RIGHT FROM THE START OF THE ELECTION SEASON, NOT IN THE FINAL HOURS OF THIS ONE, YOU'RE JUST FUCKING UP ANOTHER ELECTION THAT IS VITAL TO OUR COUNTRY'S FUTURE, AND IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME, YOU ARE A COMPLETE FUCKING MORON WHO SHOULD BE HEAVILY DRUGGED AND PUT INTO A PSYCHO WARD FOREVER, NEVER TO VOTE AGAIN. that may have been a little harsh, on second thought, maybe it wasn't harsh enough, because I bet $50 that someone still won't get it, THIS ELECTION MAY BE THE MOST IMPORTANT IN OUR LIFETIMES, AND MCCAIN IS CLEARLY THE WRONG CHOICE, IF YOU SOMEHOW THINK THE OPPOSITE, LET ME TELL YOU, YOU HAVE BEEN LIED TO. STUPID MOTHERFUCKERS WANT TO MAKE ME PUKE!! GO DIE, DUMBSHIT, IT'D BE THE SMARTEST THING YOU EVER DO. (P.S. I apologise to any suicidal or former suicidal persons who took offence to that last remark, but you've got to admit, they'd have to be really fucking dumb to vote mccain or fall down that third party hole this election.)

Ezra Banks

Oct 17 2008, 8:25 am

The more time that goes by , the more I learn about Obama , the less I think of him . I think he comes across like a used car salesman myself .

Haze

Oct 17 2008, 1:50 am

If you vote for either of the corporate (Dem or Rep) candidates, you are in giving your support to the parties who have failed to provide our nation with essential government functions-universal healthcare, taxation with representation, and a living wage.

I for one say NO MORE.

I will not be complicit while the few control the many, and while an election is reserved for only two candidates.

Vote Nader and vote for what is right.

What more will it take?
FISA, torture, living wage, healthcare, Iraq, $700B bailout, crumbling infrastructure. Democrats and Republicans have stood by and allowed it to happen for the last six decades.
What more will it take for people to give up support of these two parties?

umm

Oct 16 2008, 10:50 pm

where do you get airstones to make portable vapes?
the ones at the stores are plastic

sirsmokesalot420

Oct 16 2008, 10:37 pm

fvck the government

Monk32

Oct 16 2008, 10:24 pm

Although writen with an extreme bias, a pretty good article. Yet the bias can not be ignored, and that bias is Obama. Fact is the difference between Mcain and Obama is moot and nearly negligable (entirly so when the role of congress in brought into view) with regard to their ability to change anything.

More importantly, the third party will never be given recognition or opportunity as long as the turn out remains low. By "accepting" the defeat of the third party, we'd be reienforcing the self propagating government. And make no mistake, this republic has become an entity in itself, a self serving beast that functions independantly from the population (this is evident from the great public outcry against the $700 billion bailout which somehow passed (and has still made no impact)).

Unfortunitly, revolution requires mass movment of the status quo and in the case of America that population is too fearful of the government. That fear stems from the comfort these people have acquired from the security established by not residing on the outskits of society; "Things continue to get worse but they do so for everyone and THAT makes it acceptable."

But I digress, failing to support the third party reienforces the function of the two party system and without the potential for revolution, the remaining option is fight by this governments rules. Therefore, support the third parties, make it something "popular" and "mainstream" for although such classification is shunned by our constituents, it remains the only way to corerce such platforms into capitalist minds. Once there, FACT will become widspread and actual change can blossom.

Wayne

Oct 16 2008, 10:10 pm

Obama is just like his name sounds, a white hater that hangs out with terrorist thugs. He wants to run this country exactly like Hugo Chavez runs Venezuela. Socialism is not the answer! It breeds laziness and poor work ethic. There is no reason to excel in socialist societies, everyone gets the same pay, well except for the thug, elite rulers. Are we really going to elect a racist, whether he is white, black, purple, other? I think it might happen if we all lay back and let it happen. We will lose most of our rights under Obama's form of government. Please, please get out to vote before it is too late. Your freedom hangs in the balance.

HU210

Oct 16 2008, 8:03 pm

This Obama guy is really clueless about pot. Comparing pot to morphine
November 25th, 2007 by Ron Chusid

Barack Obama supports, with some reservations, legalization of medical marijuana. He not only admits that when he tried marijuana he inhaled, he mocks Bill Clinton’s denial:

When a voter asked Obama if he was for the legalization of medical marijuana, Obama said that he wasn’t in favor of legalization without scientific evidence and tight controls. Citing his mother who died from cancer young, Obama compared marijuana to morphine saying there was little difference between the two.

“My attitude is if the science and the doctors suggest that the best palliative care and the way to relieve pain and suffering is medical marijuana then that’s something I’m open to because there’s no difference between that and morphine when it comes to just giving people relief from pain,” Obama said. “But I want to do it under strict guidelines. I want it prescribed in the same way that other painkillers or palliative drugs are prescribed.”

But he added that he was concerned that the reasons for the use of marijuana would grow and create a “slippery slope.”

“I was feeling really tense, so I needed a joint,” Obama joked with the crowd of those who might try and undermine that type of system.

The question was followed up by another voter asking him, “Unlike other presidents, did you inhale?”

“I did,” Obama said to loud applause and laughter. “It’s not something that I’m proud of. It was a mistake … But you know, I’m not going to. I never understood that line. The point was to inhale. That was the point.”

liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=2430

magoo

Oct 16 2008, 7:39 pm

boogyoogyoogy

HU210

Oct 16 2008, 7:30 pm

Obama voted in favor of FISA, maybe you should get a check up from the neck up!

Check out this double speak

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQr9ezr8UeA

Disgusted with the debates

Oct 16 2008, 7:29 pm

Honestly, its come to the point where i dont know what to base my vote on.. I mean mccain obama were arguing over who said what about eachother and whos feelings where more hurt for like seemingly 1/3 of the debate. I wanted to change the channel in complete disgust. Do they think im gonna vote for who is a nicer guy or something? I dont want this 12 year old girl arguments... alls im asking for is the raw dog outline of their presidential policy intentions. I may not even vote cause im so nauseous from what comes out their mouths......most of the debate stunk like a fart from palins raunchy ass.

yea

Oct 16 2008, 7:19 pm

ron paul would be great on marijuana policy
but i wouldnt vote him into office unless his other policies made any sense (which they, for the most part, don't)

but i dont like that obama is flip flopping on the issue

if you lie about 1 thing to get votes who's to say you're not lying about anything else?

another thing

Oct 16 2008, 7:18 pm

Yep. If you are basing your vote entirely on pot laws you really need to re-evaluate your way of thinking..

Yeah, pots great and all, but, there's more to life than the herb..

Freedom is a lot more important to me (aka patriot act..etc.)

Exactly.

Oct 16 2008, 7:16 pm

I'm a full-out Ron Paul supporter, but, our options now are really Democrat or Republican.

Yes, it really sucks but DEAL WITH IT PEOPLE!!!!!!!

Who would you rather have in office?

Obama or McCain?

As it was said in the article, a two party system sucks, but the reality is you need to base your vote and who will better this nation and not bring it down the shit hole.

So please, vote Obama.. Experience? Experience can come in many shapes and form and does not have to be just government experience... grow the fuck up!

wow

Oct 16 2008, 6:35 pm

c'mon man if pot is the only thing you are basing your vote off of then maybe you really should just do us all a favor and not vote

Zorro

Oct 16 2008, 6:33 pm

If you think either one of those double faced puppets are gonna legalize, you are sadly mistaken. To once again enjoy God's bounty, free of opression and hypocracy, we need to keep growing on the low and keep pushing for our rights as Americans. Just cause Obama admits to trying bud does not mean he is on our side. I bet McCain smoked some fresh herb in Vietnam. He just isn't allowed to admit it. Keep openly and honestly talking to our senators and representatives about what herb really is and how to use it. Then we will no longer have to see stupid commercials comparing weed to crack and meth. Blaze on!

HU210

Oct 16 2008, 5:36 pm

This is from November 2007 Note the 2nd paragraph.

Obama Stirs The Pot: Says He's Open To Authorizing Medical Marijuana

CINCINNATNI (TDB) -- Illinois Sen. Barack Obama admits he's inhaled. He's been honest enough to say inhaling is really "the point" of experimenting with marijuana in the first place. Now the Democratic presidential candidate also says he is open to the idea of approving marijuana use for medical purposes -- provided there is solid evidence it can alleviate pain.

Obama made his remarks in Audubon, Ia., on Sunday, and was careful to say he did not support legalizing pot....

If Obama dont even really think pot is medicine, nor support recreational usage. Then there is no reason for HT readers to vote for him-eh?

You want us to vote for a double speak artist-FUCK YOU!!!

Paris Hilton "08" For a real party in the White house