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Former Drug Czar Destroyed in Pot Debate

Mon, May 11, 2009 12:31 pm

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Arnold asked for a legalization debate, and so here you go… John Walters, George Bush’s Drug Czar, still lying, still torturing logic, still an idiot, only now he’s no longer cashing taxpayer checks. Instead, he’s on CNN, pitted against the Harvard professor who wrote “The Budgetary Implications of Marijuana Prohibition,” a highly influential study that’s fueling a lot of the recent debate about legalizing marijuana as a way to bolster the economy.

Watch in awe as Professor Jeffrey Miron uses such rare strategies as “reason” and “logic” to expose the utter bullshit being spewed by one of the biggest assholes in recent memory. This is indeed the beginning of the end for Walters and his herbicidal ilk. So light a fattie and give thanks.

And while America’s long suffering pot smokers may be tempted to skip the debate and head straight to the legalization, we need to remember that it takes time to undue almost a century of pot propaganda. But rest assured, fellow stoners, now that the reality-based debate on marijuana has begun, it’s one that we will surely win!

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ThEtRuTh

Jun 29 2009, 8:29 pm

I am commenting on what the very first entry said. If anything is the gateway drug it is cigarettes. Young teens start smoking, think its cool then "smoking it is". Knowledge is what america's youth needs. NO MORE LIES!

Jun 24 2009, 10:51 am

What I still think is another problem is their logic in treating weed as a gateway drug. The blame for the statistics is clearly on the DEA's side. Why? Americans, especially young teens have been barraged by propaganda for years claiming how harmful marijuanna is and throwing it in the same company with crack cocaine, heroin, methamphetamines, etc. This creates a contrast of information leading to the gateway effect. If a teen tries marijuanna and sees how harmless it is, he/she immediately discredit everything they have heard from DEA/Drug Czar, etc. This is dangerous because they then have the view that other drugs must also not be as dangerous as they are made out to be. In my mind, this is the greatest danger to kids. We must contrast between marijuanna and truly harmful synthesized drugs that do damage to prevent the gateway effect. What better way to create such a contrast than to be honest about marijuanna and legalize it?

hotfootrun

Jun 24 2009, 5:37 am

why hasn't anyone shown the politicians in America how decriminalization of pot in Amsterdam has worked for more than thirty years and how the country has to shut down some of its prisons because of such a dramatic drop in crime.Oh that right the cops wouldnt have anyone to investigate pot smokers are more important than murderer's rapist terrorist, child molestors or even big business men like Mr. madeoff who looks to have Madeoff pretty danm good if you ask me. Hell had more than half of that budget loss of cali in his pocket then oh well. prohabition will never go away there too much money to be made with it in place.
power to the people

DocLamkin

Jun 23 2009, 5:41 pm

I'm an Iraqi war vet and bottom line without weed i wouldn't function as well as i do. Terrible thoughts of death and war race through my mind alot and more importantly when i'm trying to sleep, but with a little reefer before dinner i can calm my nerves and actually put a decent meal in me and fall asleep quite early and peacefully. Without it i'm a nervous wreck and that puts knots in my stomach so i don't eat or sleep its terrible.

Mike224

Jun 22 2009, 5:28 pm

Another reason to amend the constitution and make the governator our next president

dirtydirt420

Jun 22 2009, 12:57 pm

i love to use marijuana and cant for it to be legalized so i can grow safe in FLA everyone keep growing and do what u do we will win and medicine will be avaliable for all who need it

deaf16

Jun 16 2009, 7:46 pm

well john, 60, 70, 80 percent of people who are in crime have drugs in their system......one second, your stateing a 20% difference? just to let you know anything above 3% in a mass statistic makes a plethora of differences, and considering the man your against is someone who has continued their education through Harvard....mmmm, makes me want to side with them, i dont know why but..... oh right, because hes from to Harvard. eat a bag of dicks buddy.

bongbarian

Jun 10 2009, 9:38 am

the lies will continue as long as there are- sheep listen to them, greedy assholes to spread them, AND the smarter people continue to stay in the shadows shaking their heads in disbelief.

I love pot

Jun 9 2009, 4:09 am

Part of their propaganda is to make the average nonsmoking American believe this drug is similar to pills, heroin, crack, etc. How long can they keep these lies up?

Pots safe

Jun 9 2009, 4:03 am

It seems to me somebody with alot of money and power must benefit somehow keeping marijuana illegal. The politicians who have never smoked before and only know whats told to them on paper obviously don't know anything about its effects. In fact it seems they are confusing marijuana with drugs like heroin and crack.

Smoker for life

Jun 9 2009, 3:47 am

Those bastards have no idea how many people are smoking marijuana. Their bullshit propaganda is a lie to society forcing alot of us especially with families to feed and good jobs at stake to lie about it.

Mr. Green

Jun 9 2009, 3:37 am

If the government controls marijuana they will raise the prices up as high as they want just like they do cigarettes and gas. They need be left out because in the long run we are better off where we are at.

Another pot smoker

Jun 9 2009, 3:29 am

If they legalize marijuana will they still drop it off for me while im at work? Can we still sell a bag so we can smoke for free the rest of the day? Anyone how wants it gets it anyway.

Jun 5 2009, 1:31 am

There is a great interview with WILLIE NELSON WWW.DONTKNOW3.COM on this topic and the many uses of HEMP

yeswecannabis

Jun 3 2009, 10:32 pm

The "drug warriors" and their pals the cartels and bankers have a sweet deal going on. If pot was legal to grow and sell, they would lose a lot of money, which would then go to the small growers.

Our relationship with plants is so primordial, so integral to our well being, no government has the right to interfere in any way with our consumption of plant materials of any kind. Will they tell us how much air to breathe and water to drink next? Plants are our medicine, kept us alive since we began! Synthetic drugs are dangerous used as directed. Cannabis can safely replace many of them.

Pot is decriminalized pretty much in certain areas of California, and other states. More people demanding this milder, safer recreational drug that also kills cancer cells, while protecting nerves, eyes and lungs, will slowly bring about an an end to prohibition.

Senior citizens these days have been smoking weed for forty years now. No one can tell us that shibai about 'pot is bad for you'. We know. It's all good. The THC is a cancer killer. Everything the Feds ever said about pot was a lie.

Send money to the groups like DPA, MPP, NORML, SSDP and ACLU. Send them something! We can win this.

mike jones

Jun 3 2009, 3:35 am

hahaha
bush administration vs harvard professor

i smell a fatality

anonymous

May 31 2009, 4:54 pm

20 million drug users in the US? bullshit, maybe that many that only use pill to get high, bud smokers need to stand up and stop hiding; this is our right as a society to say that we want and get what we want; we re supposed to run them, not let them run us

CameronNORML

May 30 2009, 9:25 pm

More potent marijuana is not any more dangerous than a weaker strain, this is because the substances in it are not dangerous, not because there is just a small amount of those substances in it.

dcfball05

May 30 2009, 10:32 am

marijuana strains may be more potent these days, but you still cant overdose on it. however there is such a thing as alcohol poisoning if you overconsume, which will require an emergency room visit. if someones behavior becomes eratic from marijuana use, it will most likely be laughter,so i dont see a problem there.this guy is a good talker, however he has probally never smoked marijuana, so how can he make any statements on it's effects, or anything.but,lets keep alcohol legal and tobacco, let our government continue to tax those things and make money, and lets continue to shun a weed, and keep it classified as a narcotic.... LOL-

Bongbarian

May 28 2009, 10:39 am

A bushman drug czar, in the same pea pod as the housekeeper nominated for supreme court & the horse trainer that let Katrina have her way. Makes me wanna puke.

So how is it that the morons & crackhead level con men run things? The inteligent people have either turned from the bullshit long ago & the rest have absorbed/insulated themselves w/daily life. So who does listen to these mental midgets for them to gain/retain power? Senor citiczens living in a day gone by, religious right w/its 'our way is the only way' or anyone w/predetermined thoughts/values, inability of free thought & the bitter/NASTY people. Weed clan saw thru the shit long ago, unfortunatly they walked away.

Cannibus- Is a financial black hole(law enforcement) intead of a CASH CROP, for the people as a Whole. Weed CAUSES NO CRIME & IS ACTUALLY A CRIME DETERENT. Herb relaxes & eases tensions of smokers- unless they are worried about the legal issues. Those that arnt are simply openly defiant, erroding the relationship between government & its people.

CAN ANY NON-SMOKER TELL THE TRUTH ANYMORE? CAN THESE PEOPLE ACKNOWLEDGE IT IS ALL RIGHT FOR OTHER PEOPLE TO BE DIFFERENT THAN THEY ARE? DOES ANY CURRENT DECISION MAKER HAVE THE BALLS TO MAKE SOMETHING POSITIVE & OUT OF THE BOX HAPPEN/WORK????

May 28 2009, 9:46 am

i have been smoking since 1974 and there was just as good reefer back then as there is now , most of it was from columbia or mexico and it was very good quality.
John Walters it a biggot , liar , and a tyrant.
Obama is starting to look like a liar.

njkush23

May 27 2009, 7:34 pm

john walters is a moron

lilking26

May 27 2009, 11:02 am

I just wanted to put my 2 cents in I think marijuana should be legal look at Amsterdam at least do it like they do have it legal in coffee shops hotels things like that and the home but make it illegal to have in the vehicles like alcohol. They always wanna talk about addiction but look at the addiction with cigs & alcohol but they don't pull that from the shelves or stop anyone from having it all the debates are a bunch of crap it's the churches and politicians that want this illegal so they can look like they care for the people but it's all lies. They just want it 2 be there idea come on even though our weed is more potent doesn't mean anything alcohol has the same mild and really strong just tax it & lets get on with the smokin. I mean back when I was younger in high school (I am now 31) there was a big talk about legalization and after a few years it was scrapped I mean even Marlboro had a pack ready waiting for the legalization it was called Marlboro black which is now used for a tobacco blend. I mean no 1 ever killed anyone after using marijuana they don't even know what a lethal dose of marijuana would be it is estimated at 10 lbs smoked back to back well hell I don't know about anyone else but I smoke like a chimney I have a very high tolerance for all drugs prescription or not and I know I can't just sit and smoke 10lbs back 2 back so I fell no 1 will dies from it unless they have an accident on the street or in a car. It just needs to be legalized and we can tax it like we do everything else I mean come on cigs are so expensive now u can buy a meal for the same price as cigs and that is sad. I would rather smoke marijuana worst thing that happened to me was I got the munchies, sleepy, giggles(sometimes), & that's about it. They can tax weed like they do cigs and make big money but if they want a debate I can give them 1 I mean hell cigs are worse than weed and alcohol but we still allow it & tax the people that use it & it's unfair with all the harmful additives in cigs why not make the switch 2 weed at least it will be natural we might make it stronger but still healthier minus the high tar that weed makes other than that if e1 smoked a joint at a certain time of day all over the world I would luv 2 see the statistics of how calm & collected the world would be a lil lazy but hell no killings rapes burglaries & so on would decline anyway just some FYI for e1 & lets hope it happens damn I am getting tiered of teh trash that comes around well off to high times to get a new pipe & then to the green man so e1 toke away & enjoy life cause u only have 1 to live lol.

dntwstwood

May 27 2009, 10:33 am

I whole heartedly agree with the writer of the article.Let's have debate and counsel now that we are so near to decriminalization and legalization. I would be ever so grateful and relieved if Professor Miron were part of that conversation.
Thank you Professor Miron for getting in the ring with Mr.Walter's. Why he would do the same with you I am,20' later,still in deep depths of ponder.
GYO
Peace and Pot

niggaawhaaat

May 26 2009, 3:59 pm

john walters needs to herbalize.

God

May 26 2009, 2:13 pm

I like Jeff's last comment. I can't wait to see what the future will look like after it's legal. When it get's legalized hemp will also follow suit, and that itself is a very large cash maker for anyone.

HU210

May 22 2009, 12:13 pm

CORRECTION: Should have said.

Most people get suckered at their evaluation into admitting to a religious belief. Thinking that it will gain them favor with the evaluater. Big mistake.

See: Kerr v Farrey

Fight back!

God

May 22 2009, 6:00 am

make up your damn mind ..sheesh .......

umm

May 22 2009, 12:41 am

Hu210, I just got home, and read more thoroughly, and I now see the value of atheism. Yes. Thanx for the tip on how we should all value our atheism, and be proud of it. I am one also. :)

♥

ujmm

May 22 2009, 12:28 am

HU210, Really. There are lots of churches out there that don't hate on stoners, & I think you are letting them down when you classify all churches as being bad, that isn't very fair.

HU210

May 21 2009, 10:07 am

Athiesim should break out across the land.

Just tell them. If you dont support that your god made weed, and made it for our usage. As your book "of truth" says. Then the book and that god is rejected.

The church is junk.

In weed we trust

HU210

May 21 2009, 9:31 am

You are entilted to your uninformed opnion, umm. You can worship dog shit if it gets you through your dark times. I dont care. just keep it to yourself. I only have faith in myself. Does that make me a god?

I am trying to help someone to fight back and save time and money.

@ mind control

Sue the bastards if they are compelling you to partake of a religious service.

Thats Kerr v Farrey

Hope this helps

umm

May 21 2009, 9:12 am

There is talk that religious people don't toke, and that is a lie.

Further, there is no such thing as atheism, cause everyone believe in the love of something, and love is god.

HU210

May 21 2009, 8:31 am

@legalmind control

Is the treatment program that you are compelled to complete based on religion or the 12 steps?

If so. Know that they can not compell you to participate in a religious service. I sure saved myself alot of time and grief by being an atheist. (kerr v Frerry)

Most people get suckered at their evaluation into admitting to a religious belief.

umm to ?

May 21 2009, 12:01 am

If you're referring to me, I think coke products make me too hyper, and sorta paranoid, so I don't hate on those that prefer whatever else they are into, I just prefer the comforting feeling of the golden greenery from beyond :)
♥

WTF !!

May 20 2009, 11:09 am

Czar : addiction , addiction , addiction ...
Doctor : ...................................

Czar : Treatment , treatment , treatment .....
Doctor : .....................................

???????????????????
yea , destroyed ain't quite the word I'd use for it either .

May 20 2009, 5:22 am

stop smoking crack .

umm

May 20 2009, 1:02 am

One more thing. The media really does control what the people see and hear, so the media has a LOT of power. If they would just WAKE UP and USE the truth to help end this war on us instead of acting like they don't care that a war is wedged against its own people. The medias' neutrality policies do nothing to end the war on its people, but it could, and it should. Ending this silly war should be a moral obligation for all of human kind, & the media's power could be spent on better use by giving the public knowledge. The media shouldn't have to have a DEA spokesperson on if it feels the spokesperson is not credible. Once I'd like to see a REAL debate broadcast from all the media. Just once. You'd think some how the media could pull this off.

umm

May 20 2009, 12:34 am

And speaking of the term "okay" or OK, I just found this interesting nugget of info from

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ok

It appears that the term "OK" originally came from an English slang called "oll korrect" then they slanged the saying up to "OK meaning all correct.
Main Entry: OK
Variant(s):or okay
Function: adverb or adjective
Etymology: abbreviation of oll korrect, facetious alteration of all correct
Date:
1839
Thats the kind of stuff that I should have known, and maybe someone told me sometime in my life, but I just never really thought of the origin of OK, and thought that was kind of nifty to find out that after all it could be that I never even heard of that before.
:)

umm

May 20 2009, 12:03 am

For the most part, although the media I guess means well in its own way, the media does a dis-service to the public at large by not speaking out against the travesties brought on to its own people. This is too important for the media to remain its robotic neutral selves, because fair and balanced it isn't for lovers of the greenery. We aren't even able to testify medical necessity for gods sakes. Are the media for the people or the feds? The media sitting there like puppets not asking cutting questions that cut to the chase. Questions that just end the war on the people perhaps. Those kinds of questions could be asked by the media, but they sit there for the most part like robots or puppets, and it is so sad to see them sell there selves for the all mighty dollar and throw away there dignity and respect too. OK. Point made.
♥

umm

May 19 2009, 1:54 pm

OK granted, THIS interview didn't have the jokes, but it does happen too much on TV. Its too important of a subject to be brushed under the carpet. Our freedoms are worth more than that. To let the DEA agent spout off all his hate and fear and lies. Why?

Professor Jeffrey Miron did a great job of retaining his composure and putting out the truth. The facts, and yet the feds think our freedoms have no economical value. I don't know how he did it as well as he did. There was just seconds to answer all the negative crap the prohibitionist put forth, and yet he was able to answer a few so well, that the prohibitionist did look like he didn't know what to say. Thats why the prohibitionists refuse a longer interview with knowledgeable people, cause the prohibitionists know they don't stand a chance.

umm

May 19 2009, 12:57 pm

You would think that an adult who worked for the media would have an opinion on the matter. They always act silly and laugh and make jokes, and like they don't have an opinion, and want to stay away from an opinion on the subject, as though they are afraid of it. If they were interviewing a mobster who killed hundreds of folks, they would be more unkind to the person they interview. Why then the niceties to the DEA by allowing the lies to continue??
Gerald Celente time.

Lets

May 19 2009, 12:44 pm

pray that all prohibitionists will develop the worst case of hemorrhoids known, as all they do is sit, and dictate who shall go to they're prisons...

umm

May 19 2009, 12:41 pm

What I don't understand is that the news folks think they aren't supposed to have an opinion. Why? Why can't a person in the news have an opinion? Why can't the news folk say to the DEA, "you're lying", we the people are not stupid, so stop treating us like we are...or something like that. Instead, they sit there and listen to all the lies. That isn't a debate. Statements from the DEA with no answers given by the DEA. No honest answers that is, is a waste of time, and an insult to my intelligence..

May 19 2009, 6:44 am

you really should watch the video before commenting on it . Wishful thinking will eventually bite you in the ass ............

May 19 2009, 4:43 am

Not even .

spicoli

May 18 2009, 11:34 pm

Definately shredded!

Huh ?

May 18 2009, 5:09 pm

"destroyed " ????
ha ..somebody needs a dictionary .

legalmind control/usa

May 18 2009, 4:15 pm

TRICK or TREATMENT
I am currently being ordered by po via court to undergo
so called treatment 62.50 per session a guide/handbook
from 1986 cutting edge shit it is funny that john walters even mentioned the treatment thing considering that zero of the patients/CLIENTS ever wanted to jump through these dumbshit hoops in the 1st place. the name of the workbook in the TREATMENT class is
HOW TO ESCAPE YOUR PRISON luckily for us clients it only demands that we SEEM to be genuine about our goals
which of course are to carry on with our fucking lives and be done with the 900 dollar TREATMENT [THAT WE NEVER WANTED NOR NEEDED IN MOST CASES] plus the [supervision fees ua fees fees fees fees] what a joke im not laughing

May 16 2009, 4:16 pm

Since when is Maryjane physically addictive and i want to see the results of a survey from every Dr. in the us saying its so bad for you, its better than tabbaco or alcohol physically on the body so wheres all the evidence its so bad. God forbid we try to better our economic situation!

HU210

May 16 2009, 8:45 am

@Time2Legalize

First, many "old timers", at least older now, have been mining the info that you youngsters- now with lightning quick internet communication ability. Hopefully are using in your media venues to affect change in marijuana laws.
For 20+ years I have challenged anti-drug crusaders, using scientfic proof, by writing letters to the editors of many newspapers, most all of which were printed/published.(print media)
Unforunately, while cannabis consumers and others in my own social arena. Thought that what I was doing was not just cool. But also just. They still were to fearful to use the uncontreverted truths I had presented in said letters. To compose a letter and send to lawmakers.
Its not just fear that restrains them, but the genuine uncertanty

That said. I am glad that you are ready to take over the reigns. Be forewarnned. Its a very rough ride. It can cost you jobs. It can cost you friendships. Ruin family relationships. It can cost you time in jail/prison. It will cost you years of your life in the pursuit of legalization.
(very few spend 3 years at it, let alone 20 or more)
Legalization is not for the faint of heart or sunshine patriots.

I enjoy seeing your fresh enthusiasim. I am not as easily taken in by smothe talkers. I need to see their actions!= Obama
Enjoy the ride.

Teacher

May 15 2009, 11:55 am

Educate yourselves about the science and sociological studies so you can have something intelligent to say the next time a conversation about legalization starts!

If everyone joins NORML, MPP, DPA or whichever organization and donates money, weed will be legal sooner than we think. In Cali I bet it's legal in 2010!!!!!

HU210

May 15 2009, 8:37 am

Washington, DC: Legalizing marijuana use for adults is the top policy question, as voted on by the American public, in White House's first-ever 'Citizens Briefing Book,' issued by the Obama administration on Wednesday. 5/14/2009.

The 'Briefing Book' tabulated Americans' online votes on over 44,000 different public policy questions. The proposals were posted on the Change.gov website (now whitehouse.gov) in January.

Some 125,000 Americans participated in the White Houses' online poll, casting over 1.4 million votes. Proposals were awarded ten points for each positive vote.

Based on the total number of points received, ending the criminal prohibition of marijuana ranked as the most popular issue, receiving 92,970 points. Halting the use of "federal resources to undermine states' medical marijuana laws" ranked as the third most popular issue, receiving 66,170 points.

In response to a similar White House online poll question in December 2008, a spokesperson for the Obama administration commented, "President ... Obama is not in favor of the legalization of marijuana."

Last week, a national Zogby poll of 3,937 voters commissioned by conservative-leaning O'Leary Report found that a slight majority of Americans – 52 percent – favor legalizing marijuana. The poll marks the first time that a majority of the public has expressed support for pot legalization in a nationwide telephone poll.

For more information, please contact Allen St. Pierre, NORML Executive Director, at: (202) 483-5500

NORML.org

Legalization and justice for all ranked # 1.
Great job cannabis consumers!

budisgood

May 15 2009, 2:18 am

haha wow that last comment by the proff was great, i wish that fat fuck coulda responded to that. he completely used his own point against him to refute the basis of his whole argument.

Time2Legalize

May 15 2009, 1:10 am

MARIJUANA IS A NATURAL SUBSTANCE, A LEAF AS ARNOLD PUT IT!
ARNOLD FOR PRESIDENT!!!! If a Muslim affiliate can be pres....another article perhaps.
The time has come to outgrow our old ways and usher in new and improved ways. The government unfortunately is over-flowing with over the hill officials who are from an era that see things their way and no other way!!
The legalization of marijuana is coming simply because it has too, nature put it here for a reason and we are not going to find that reason until it is legal. The 7 billion dollars spent on the battle of a natural substance could be better spent. (i.e. education, health-care etc) Obama must open his eyes and see this; education and health-care are his mule and cart in this term of presidency. If he is to have any hope of pulling his desires out of his butt he needs more money!! It is estimated that the legalization of marijuana could bring 6 billion annually!! Couple that with the 7 billion we spend on fighting a natural substance and you have 13 billion dollars to spend where we need it, THE PEOPLE!!
This country is in dire straits, we are losing money faster than we can get it, due to poor spending and government theft, yes theft...you know who you are!! The fact that this debate is even going this long makes me sad to be an American simply because we were (sadly, no longer) founded for the people. There is no other answer for the people, we are losing jobs due to poor economy which in turn puts people on the street and raises crime rate.
We the people need to step up and take hold of the reins here and TELL the government what we want..we are tired of being held by the hand and told we can't have a natural substance, something that nature/God put here for all of us!! Cocaine, Acid, Meth..that shit isn't natural and I would never support the legalization of such fowl substances but Marijuana has so many uses, some of which we will never learn unless legal. The private sector is responsible for a vast majority of advances in science and medicine and we can't fully understand this natural substance unless we are given FULL access to the substance!!
OBAMA AND THE REST OF YOU OLE TIMERS NEED TO STEP BACK AND REALIZE WE THE PEOPLE STILL RUN THIS COUNTRY AND WE ARE ASKING FOR THIS.

US citizen

May 15 2009, 12:17 am

Every single argument against legalizing it is absurd, misguided, disrespectful, and utterly ignorant. It goes hand in hand with coffee more than alcohol, let's get real.

May 14 2009, 4:37 pm

I agree with John Waters statement "out of control behavior", that is exactly what we got from the Bush administration. Anything for that bonus taxpayer money, John. The days of using rhetoric to protect your anti-drug bucks over marijuana is almost over.

all for it

May 14 2009, 4:03 pm

So Mr. Walters wants to say that a large majority of marijuana users "require treatment" does he not realize that most if not every marijuana user that has to go to treatment is because they have been arrested and required to complete needlees drug treatment programs as part of their probation. Pot users do not need treatment to quit smoking pot. That can be done at anytime by just about any user, quite the opposite of other ilicit drugs and even tobaccco and alcohol. It is time to legalize the safest drug available in the world!

THC 4eva

May 14 2009, 2:57 pm

In Jan '09 issue of HT there is an article called "Killer Weed: the Myth of Pot Potency" that explains the reality behind hysterical propaganda of "stronger weed."

Get the facts so you can debate anti-pot folks on this issue!

From that article, (which you should all read):

Despite prohibitionist claims that the pot of the 1960s averaged under 1 percent THC—an allegation that, if true, would indicate that the entire Woodstock generation experienced nothing more than a giant placebo effect—US government researchers didn’t begin measuring marijuana potency until the early 1970s, when a team of investigators at the University of Mississippi received federal approval to initiate the Potency Monitoring Project.

Early samples tested by the PMP consisted almost entirely of old, improperly stored Mexican weed, infamous for its shitty quality. Varieties of more potent herb available on the commercial market, such as sinsemilla and Thai stick, were ignored by the project. As a result, the baseline data produced by the PMP during the early to mid-’70s—during which time federal researchers absurdly claimed that pot averaged less than 1.5 percent THC— bore little resemblance to the marijuana available on the actual consumer market of the time. Yet this hopelessly incomplete and misleading data continues to be cited by prohibitionists in the reports they release.

By the 1980s, law-enforcement officials from around the nation began directing samples of confiscated pot to U-Miss for quality testing, a practice that continues to this day. As the number of samples received by the PMP increased—from a few hundred in the early 1980s to several thousand by the mid-’90s—the reported potency of pot also began to increase, though hardly by the dramatic leaps claimed by anti-pot forces. In fact, a year-by-year assessment of PMP’s published data from 1982 through 2002 indicates that pot’s average THC content increased only marginally, from 4 percent to 6 percent, a jump in quality that’s arguably less than the difference between a cup of tea and an espresso.

According to numerous studies, the most significant difference between “kind bud” and schwag is that users of the former smoke far less per session than do users of the latter (much as consumers of high-potency liquor drink less volume per serving than do consumers of low-potency beer).

Specifically, a 1989 John Hopkins University study reported that cannabis users readily differentiate between pot strains of varying strength, taking “smaller puff and inhalation volumes and shorter puff duration for the high marijuana dose compared to the low dose.” Most recently, a 2007 University of California study assessing patterns of cannabis vaporization reported that users self-regulate their pot consumption based on the drug’s potency.

Hence, the stronger the herb, the less consumers inhale into their lungs. You’d think the Drug Czar would be celebrating.

HU210

May 14 2009, 2:15 pm

OFF TOPIC
Hey president Obama. Go ahead and send more troops to Afganastan. America will learn- like the Russians did, not to mention the Brits before them- that before to long our troops will start deserting. Better to smoke hash with Afgan Tribesman, than to shoot it out with them and die there.

HU210

May 14 2009, 2:06 pm

Incresed potency? Can anyone say HASHISH? Humans have been seeking to consume the "stronger stuff" for centurys.
Nothing new in that-eh?

ijit

May 14 2009, 12:53 pm

i have been noticing that the "increased potency" issue is becoming the new "gateway drug" defense the prohibitionists are throwing out there. ok, but lets take alcohol: wine coolers 1.5% aclohol content..beer 5%.. wine 13%.. schnapps 20%.. whiskey 50%.. grain alcohol 90%.. potency issue?

legalizer

May 14 2009, 11:53 am

First of all if i were jhon walters i would go to a dark park late at night and shoot myself in the head. You can all see that this war on pot is not a war at all. These are just pure and simple uninformed 50's era reefer madness hogwash bullshit. It will be legal soon and these stupid ass government criminal officials who pay prostitutes to piss and shit on them will be laughed at and ridiculed as we all have for so long. I cant believe how many billions and billions of dollars have been wasted fighting a war on a simple plant that causes zero harm to nobody. Our government is worthless. If we all knew the truth about what these elected criminals do we would freak out. They go to church on sunday with their wives and children and on monday they are paying women to shit and piss on them, fucking their secrataries { which i would probably do too if she looked good}, getting drunk everyday, stealing tax money, commiting fraud, taking pills, running fraud schemes. Our government is the true crimelords and they use us as tax paying slaves to fund their free for alls. Fuck Jhon walters fuck the criminal bush family, us weed growers and smokers are not the problem they are. and when it is finally legal im gonna send a fat ass fuckin blunt straight to the white house and to lowlife bush and his drunk ass wing man dick cheny and the little note will read fuck you we won, now fire up this bad boy and see how we do things in cali. We are getting good press lately with weed especially since we allowed our government to wreck our economy and country. Now these fuckin lowlive are gonna look to us growers to bail them out. watch they will probably start putting us in prison for not meeting our annual growing quota. hehe fuck our criminal government, fuck the dea and fuck jhon walters. they are the ones who destroy good hard working american lives and families not fuckin weed.

umm

May 14 2009, 10:47 am

Until the feds declare a war on poverty, hunger & homelessness, I will shake my head at them in disgust.
Love to the lovers of the greenery♥

WindzBreezy

May 14 2009, 10:18 am

yeah there are different potency in these newer strains of buds, as you have shown it is up to that person to roll either a Jibbazilla or a pinner. To smoke a whole bag to the head at once is not likely. You really did not have an argument there. about the economy situation. it is an every day part of life where you can find someone in this whole world with a bag in it a plant called marijuana. "Beware of it" was the slogan against the war on drugs. but you can't identify the difference between medication, mind altering drugs, or social or recreational mood setters . whatever its been labeled and whatever was told about it was done so because it was put in a category as the black drug market. As you said many people use it, they have always used it and will always use it. The people's taxes of the United States are spent to stop it ,but people could be able to smoke everyday if they wanted to. We spend time in courts on the streets searching for what to send someone to jail or give the a one hundred dollar fine when you can just could go buy another bag, and its as if your still treated as a criminal(Massachusetts all tho it was decriminalized). I have to ask Why? Why this fight on this plant Marijuana. Does it have any good uses? Well it grows quickly I suppose since its an annual plant. it can be used to make paper, textile, biodegradable plastics, and bio fuel. Its use as a smoker and their method depending on an indivisual person it could be rather good for you.
The use of marijuana has been known to fight tumors with Cannabinoids. why fight it can we all just get along.lol.

umm

May 14 2009, 2:39 am

Only common prohibition would be against trying to bring the truth out. But to listen to non truths by the dea. What kind of sense is that? What was the news crew even thinking?

rdf0ster

May 13 2009, 11:55 pm

time for a million smoker march on Washington if that happened there greed would kick in
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jim

May 13 2009, 9:01 pm

I've been smoking pot since I was 13, I'm now 55 but I wouldn't say I was addicted to it

treehugger

May 13 2009, 2:05 pm

AZ - I need it just to get on the road with them, not to mention the 300 lb 6 year olds, and consumerism, and presumed capital gains in real estate, and we can help Iraq but what about Africa? A million a year die there, and a million a year here die of alcohol and cigs? Vapin as a college class? I might have to re-consider.

treehugger

May 13 2009, 1:59 pm

lab3 - bingo, but because it's FREE and I can give you some seeds, and you can give me some. But if you give them 50%, ya think they'll turn it down?

Arizonawing

May 13 2009, 1:45 pm

LISTEN. THE GOVERNMENT DOESN'T WANT TO LEGALIZE WEED FOR A SHIT LOAD OF REASONS. FIRST OFF, WEED TENDS TO MAKE PEOPLE LESS VIOLENT. OUR GOVT. LOVES WAR. IF PEOPLE SMOKE WEED WE ARE NOT GOING TO WANT TO FIGHT.SMOKING WEED MAKES PEOPLE PASSIVE. COULD YOU IMAGINE IF WEED WERE LEGAL FOR ABOUT 5 YEARS AND THE THOUGHT OF INVADING ANOTHER COUNTRY SUCH AS IRAN WAS BEING TALKED ABOUT. COULD YOU ALL IMAGINE THE AMOUNT OF PROTESTING THAT WOULD BE TAKING PLACE. WE AS ALCHOL DRINKING, PRESCRIPTION PILL POPPING AMERICANS ARE AGGRESSIVE FIGHT MONGERS WHO NEED SOME MEDIATION.MARIJUANA!!

Paranoid

May 13 2009, 1:34 pm

For the longest time, I've heard people say that weed makes you paranoid but I want to clear this shit once and for all, Cannabis does not make you paranoid, the thing that makes you paranoid is having the police and federal government hounding on you and nipping at your heels, trying to set you up by setting up their stings and doing their entrapment theater, and having you stalked around, usually after smoking I could not be more relaxed and at peace if it was'nt for the fact that people are making profits by putting non-violent Cannabis smokers in prison, simply to grow their annual budget, you don't have to be Einstein to see who profits from growing their budget for arresting and locking non-violent Cannabis smokers. Walters is nothing but a government Profiteer! and a liar.

corey

May 13 2009, 11:07 am

first off i want to know where this old fuck got his info. where are the facts not sum he said she said bullshit. and i agree that pot has become more potent in the last 20 years. i work for the govt and i proudly smoke pot everyday and i go to work and get my job done, but if i go out n get drunk b4 i go to work then im an at risk employee. if i get stoned i feel that i do a better job when i work. heres another thing, what i do on my own time is nobodies business. i dont harp on ppl for drinkin at the bar so y should i be labeled a drug abuser when i smoke a joint or bong?!? plus every year how many ppl die from pot alone.....NONE! how many have OD.....NONE! if u get behind the wheel of a car stoned chances r ur more aware then if u were drunk! these r my beliefs if u dont like em fuck off!
DGAF 4 eva

SweetPoison

May 13 2009, 8:51 am

I'm really tired of hearing the same old arguments from the anti-marijuana folks. It is not addictive, it does not cause normal individuals to go postal, and it is not more potent than it was 40 years ago.
I have been an off and on smoker for over 40 years and have not become addicted to weed and have not become psychotic or vilent when smoking. Let's counter with some real education

pennsylvania potter

May 12 2009, 9:58 pm

to my homies in PA.. Please check out www.pa4mmj.org..
a few politicians want to pass a medical marijuana bill, house bill 1393, and i'm sure they could use all the help they can get! you know how conservative some of our pols are.. lets get behind this and make it happen..

gstlab3

May 12 2009, 8:11 pm

THE REASONS AND FACTS ARE NEVER GOING TO CHANGE SOME PEOPLES MIND ON THIS OR OTHER ISSUES.,THEY HAVE BEEN SPEWING THE SAME GARBAGE FOR SO LONG THAT ANYTHING CONTRADICTORY WILL NOT BE UNDERSTOOD BY THEM AS IF IT WHERE A FORIEGHN LANGUAGE., MONEY AND POWER AND CONTROL OVER THE POPULACE IS WHAT IT IS ALL ABOUT NOTHING LESS NOTHING MORE.,THE BIGGEST UNSPOKEN REASON FOR THE LAWS AGAINST MARIJUANA CONSUMPTION IS THAT IT FREES PEOPLES MINDS TO BE MORE OPEN TO THE SPIRITUAL SIDE OF LIFE AND IT'S PURPOSE IS TO FREE YOU FROM THE EARTHLY REALM IN WICH THE GOVERNMENT WANTS TO KEEP YOU!! ENSLAVED TO THEIR WORLD OF TAXES AND FOLLOWING THEIR LEADERS AND THEIR SPECIAL INTERESTS WICH INCLUDE TAKING YOUR LIFES WORK AND MAKING THEM MORE POWERFULL AND RICH. IF YOU TOOK THE TIME TO SMOKE A LITTLE BIT AND STARTED TO THINK FOR YOURSELF THE PEOPLE IN POWER WOULD SOON BE OUT OF A JOB!!!! THAT IS THEIR REASON IN A NUTSHELL. I CANNOT EXPLAIN IT ANY BETTER EVEN UNTO A CHILD.

willllvn

May 12 2009, 6:02 pm

The only reason 1/3 of mj users need treatment is b/c they've been convicted of a crime and part of their punishment is taking a drug rehab course...this dudes an IDIOT...and why didn't the professor mention that? that woulda made the fat dude look even stupider than he already did

treehugger

May 12 2009, 4:50 pm

98% of "them" know not of what they speak.
I'm sure what's in HT is world class, but not yet legal. Sooon in will be in Home Depot too (near the drill bits, behind the wall, where the register is always open-for-business) 24/7/365. Thanks to HT and all the growers keepin the species alive, a Nobel is forthcoming.

Inga

May 12 2009, 4:25 pm

Where are all these 'strains' of marijuana that are supposed to be so much more potent...well..?? Where the hell are they? Oh wait..thats right only the government has those strains..they use the best stuff for all their experiments...and they claim that we are smoking the same stuff....I DISAGREE..we have none of that good stuff out here..BUT we would GLADLY test it for you...!!!

treehugger

May 12 2009, 4:05 pm

Not ok just then, but now too. It's just there were alot more people willing to get their ass kicked by a cop. Nowadays? If they were still swingin? And no cell phones?

That's why it's weird to hear of Seattle or Portland jus blazin. Cops not doin much, politics not doin much, economy not doin much, but they're pumpin out them 300 lb 6-year-olds steady.

Eddy

May 12 2009, 2:22 pm

Walters said "60,70,80% of people arrested for violent crimes had drugs in their body."
First of all, what is it? is it 60% 70% or 80%? you are the former drug czar and you have been brought on the show to offer opposition to legalizing marijuana, you make yourself look incompetant by not having your statisitics in order. Secondly, "had drugs in their body." That doesnt mean that they were all marijuana users and it certainly doesnt mean they were high on marijuana at the time they commited the crime. If 60% of those people also were found to be black would it be fair to say that being black makes you commit violent crimes? Hell no! Thats totally anecdotal evidence. Then he said something about more violence and "part of that has to do with higher potency." Bullshit. The more potent the weed is the more lazy it will make you. I guarantee you that someone who sits back and smokes a half eigth of some super silver haze will not be robbing anyone anytime soon. That shows you how little people who have never smoked and are against marijuana actually understand it. Then he talked about more people using it. But it's been proven that less people use marijuana in Amsterdam than in neighboring European countries.
As far as Schwarzenegger, I am a huge fan of his (not politcally) and I respect the fact that he is open about his former pot use (I wonder if he would admit to it if they didn't actually have it on film) but it frustrates me when I hear him or others justifying marijuana use because "Oh, it was the '60s or the '70s." as if it was only o.k. to use it back then because lots of people were but its not o.k. now. Such bullshit.

all4the20

May 12 2009, 1:34 pm

wow walters just got jizzed all over with his lousy ass statistics, .03 percent in jail my ass it was alot higher last i heard, and the violence really who only smokes pot and goes and does violent things?

Danny D Leagalize

May 12 2009, 1:13 pm

Man Walters has no clue what he was talking about

keep it kali

May 12 2009, 12:55 pm

john walters, WHAT A STUPID BITCH! before i started smoking pot my family wanted to send me to anger management, i would get sooo pissed off at the smallest things, bust holes in doors, walls, anything in my path. but then i started smokin that swweeeeeetttt cheeba, and now im probably one of the calmest mother fuckers you'll ever meet. thats why they call us lazy ass stoners, cuz we dont do shit but smoke weed, chill, eat, play videogames, eat more, smoke more, then SLEEP

treehugger

May 12 2009, 12:53 pm

Pay the tax - free the weed. You only pay taxes on your "surplus", not what you consume. Just like tomatoes. You can't sell the shit out-your-front-door(unless zoned as such, and you pay taxes).
Save a cop, grow a plant, pay the tax! on what you sell. Shit, just send it now, don't wait for them to ask - send them 1/6, and label it NORML american payin their taxes. And build a canal 100' deep X 100 yards wide from Brownsville to Baja. Instant border control, and no need to waste the gas goin through Panama.

Just Smoked

May 12 2009, 12:26 pm

The way they get their "studies" of rehab isn't just the potheads that go into it as apposed to jailtime, it is also based on people that do serious crimes that also have pot in their system. Blaming it on the weed is not right it's lies i tell ya!! It's the fucktards that comitted the crimes own fault that they cant keep their cool and decide "with their freewill" to do whatever they did.. i bet when they smoked the night before they weren't fighting or stealing shit.

truth

May 12 2009, 12:11 pm

This guy is a clown! I don't know anyone that's had to seek treatment for smoking MJ."AND VIOLENT CRIMES"!I really don't know where this guy gets his FACTS but I think he needs to smoke some himself.The only CRIME here is not LEGALIZING! So give Americans what they want and Legalize the plant!

granddaddypurp

May 12 2009, 12:04 pm

John Walters only argument was that marijuana would cause more violence if legalized. Hello? Don't knock it until you tried it buddy. When people smoke weed, the last thing on their mind is to go around and do harm. I know when I blaze, I enjoy just sitting down listening to music with friends and eating a bunch of snacks. The reason that marijuana causes violence is because its "illegal" and drug wars continue between gangs because its ILLEGAL. If marijuana was legalized, there would be no need for drug wars because marijuana would be sold through the government. Also there would be no need for other weed because everyone knows that the government has the best bud.

Just Smoked

May 12 2009, 12:03 pm

I agree if i drink 8 oz. of jack i'm goin to want to get hyphy but when i smoke any amount of the dankest dank you can ever imagine i'm just goin to chill and draw, play videogames or sleep

chromulan

May 12 2009, 11:39 am

yeah, i'm speechless too. this guy is an idiot. seriously?? i don't know a single person who is violent who smokes. and treatment? and whenever he compared the weed from the 60's to the present day as a 4 oz glass of beer to an 8 oz glass of Jack!!! WHAT?!?!? that is the worst comparison i've ever heard. man, people like this need to do studies on me so they can watch me get ripped all day and then do everything as easily as i'd do it sober

moldy

May 12 2009, 11:03 am

Walters needs new material. ONE THIRD OF MJ USERS NEED TREATMENT? [speechless] Did he really say that?

c low

May 12 2009, 10:43 am

quit cryin over petty shit.......... legalize!!!!!

moldy

May 12 2009, 10:31 am

These aren't "debates". They're more like master-bates. I didn't even watch it. Walters is total fuck head and that's a compliment. He shouldn't be able to spew that kinda shit on the air and get away with it. I'm sick of fuck heads that go on TV and say anything they want without getting called down on it. I watched another so called debate where Allen St. Pierre of NORML only got to talk for about 30 seconds and the "moralist liar" got to spew shit for 5 minutes! They didn't give Allen time to dissect the lies of the prohibitionist. The "ignorant" populaces still believe what they hear, that's the problem. Okay, I'll watch the clip but I'm getting a barf bag ready cause Walters actually makes me physically ill.

LiL FaZz

May 12 2009, 9:45 am

People die each year from tobacco use and boos.
Putting a tax on marijuana will lower the death rate from the other substances. Because marijuana calms you down as people would say the same for other drugs, but marijuana has a smell therefore people turn to other harder drugs so that it wont stink up their house and they wont get caught.
Everybody has stress in their lives, putting an age and a tax on marijuana will make a whole lot of less stress in America.
And because the stuff is much more potient now then back then, people wont have to turn to other drugs like cocaine or herion, beacuse they can calm their anxiety by using marijuana people wont have to become addicted to other substances.

stoneyrepublican

May 12 2009, 8:45 am

that debate was weak. The real debate that same night was believe it or not, Geraldo. He squashed Stephen Baldwins balls, then twisted! Geraldo has been in it to win it with pot since the 70's. Had interesting file footage, an interview with John & Yoko.

stoneyrepublican

May 12 2009, 8:07 am

Who gives a shit what John Walters says. He is old news. Who I want to see in an open debate is the Current Drug Czar. This "debate is just a ruse. Its an attempt by a pro-Obama "news" organization to try to further indite the Bush administration drug policies, which were wrong. But its further evidence of how desperatly we need to move on. Who is the current czar anyhow?

HEY HANKIE

May 12 2009, 2:27 am

I'm sure he lost voters when he didn't bring the troops home, and all the other promises he promised.

So why would Pres. Obama care if hateful intolerant people were upset that they no longer had the right to steal and rob from us otherwise average people?

Hemp Knight

May 12 2009, 2:02 am

The prices may go high,but I really do think that the biggest reason alot of capitolists in power don't want to see it legal is because they know when the prices get higher,alot of people are just going to grow shit tons of their own,and they won't be able to do anything to make sure that a business of that magnitude as far as people involved because it's now lega,and hereby not a big deal anymore,us,the American people,the consumers would end up making the shit worthless by growing the hell out of it,and at the end of the day,marijuana by itself wouldn't end up being the big money maker,then they will start taxing the hell out of the seeds,and the high preasure sodium and metal hallide lights would get the shit bought out of them,not to mension soil,pots,feed,organic pesticides,etc....
No matter what,they'll get a good deal of money from it being legal,their just thinking of it all wrong,if their thinking what I'm thinking they're thinking anyways.
But seriously,if California manages to legalise,I think alot of other places in the country will start trying harder to lift the ban too.

grassakate

May 12 2009, 1:26 am

yes we can lol but daym i hope the prices dont go sky high cuz it gets taxed... and i hope the industry dont try to put the dame shyt they put in ciggs to get you all hooked.

Just Smoked

May 12 2009, 1:22 am

I very much dislike when people try to compare Pot to other deadly substances. It's so rediculous taht people fall for that. When was the last time you heard of anyone Dropping dead from smoking pot.

Damn i mean everyday i here on the "news" how some teen got alcohol poisoning and was hoslpitalized oR there was a bad fight and someone died or a drunk driver cause an accident or killed someone.

Really now what the hell?!

Phoenix Guy

May 12 2009, 1:12 am

I been smoking the herb for 40 years,Been bust for pot 6 times,Been busted for fighting once and i was drunk that time.
I've Owen a tobacco shop in Iowa for 16 years and people respect my shop,My shop is a peaceful domain unlike the the bars around here,There's always fights going on every night.Also I would be crippled with out the herb,do to the arthritis in my hands and knees.Thank the gods for the Herb!PEACE!!

This is the future...

May 12 2009, 12:31 am

The only good argument that we haven't destroyed is the moral argument.

The prohibitionists think that the money we're spending on the war on drugs is worth it. Why? Because if it is legalized, there will be more users.

I have morals too! I morally believe that I should be growing and selling pot for my own profit. WHY DO THE STREET DEALERS GET ALL THE MONAY!

All I see here, is the same old bullshit that we've all heard our whole lives. I truly believe that it will be this generation that forgets the propaganda and legalizes pot.

T.NAS

May 12 2009, 12:12 am

OOO BITCHED!!!!!

ridinhigh

May 12 2009, 12:08 am

walters is the most ignorant mother f@#ker ever he keepa saying the same thing over and over. Better weed makes people violent. Haha. Im going to smoke a bowl of cush with some hash on top then pass out and have a dream abot robing that guy.

Arson

May 12 2009, 12:03 am

FUCK THE DRUG CZAR
He bases all information on irrational, random events
Weed doesnt cause violence, prohibition does
How are you gonna stop someone from stealing your whole sack? Obviously not through the government/courts cuz theyll just throw you in jail
Thats where the violence comes from

trimoloks

May 11 2009, 11:51 pm

thank you Jesus!

Jorgi

May 11 2009, 11:46 pm

I'm definately not paying taxes on my weed so the government can make money..

AndE

May 11 2009, 11:35 pm

Dude, the studies should be more accurate. 44% is such a lie about seniors smoking bud, id say about 92% percent of seniors have smoked weed before.

Cameron

May 11 2009, 11:33 pm

Its funny how walters keeps talking about the increase in violence when the havard guy already stated the exact reason for the violence in my opinion

mike

May 11 2009, 11:30 pm

FithyJoe are you dumb?? The best weed in the world comes from the dispensaries!! Og kush, sour diesel, green crack, you name it they got it! Fuck decriminalization!! Legalize!!

40sac

May 11 2009, 11:21 pm

a 4oz cup of beer, an 8oz cup of jack daniels? wut the fuck is he talking about? seriously, i thought dinosaurs were extinct. someone please throw this guy into an ice age.

rukidding

May 11 2009, 11:14 pm

My moms ex would go out and get extremely drunk and come home to beat the sh** out of her time after time... but I have never witnessed or heard of someone getting stoned and doing the same thing. How can alcohol be legal when it is obviously far more dangerous than weed? People really should read up on the facts and quit letting other people make up their minds for them... John Walters is so ignorant it really is pathetic.

joecamel

May 11 2009, 11:10 pm

damn i get so mad at people like that, dude thinks he knows everything and dont know shit about whats goin on in the streets, just like all the politicians not really answering the question that s bein asked just try to say the worst thing you can think of and keep sayin it, lol 1/3 of pot smokers need treatment, ha bullshit no one needs treatment for pot noone is physically addicted to pot . the only treatment we need is fair treament

FilthyJoe

May 11 2009, 11:02 pm

If weed is legalized it will become weak and overpriced like American beer!! screw that! I would rather it be decriminalized and not rely on the gov. to get a bag! you think "dave" trys to screw you around wait until they try to tax it and control on it! and PS Obama and that Walters skank are both a couple of ass clowns!!

just me

May 11 2009, 10:57 pm

That fat fucker prolly goes to the bar every night and gets sloshed.

RevWildflower

May 11 2009, 10:53 pm

Where is John Walters getting his info??? I think he needs to educate himself better!!!

skeetsxtc

May 11 2009, 10:49 pm

fuck the fatman harvard student knows best
BREAKDOWN!!!

imagine

May 11 2009, 10:48 pm

look at that kid slobbering all over that bowl... legalize it

MiStA bLa

May 11 2009, 10:20 pm

Haha that was pretty funny. "Ok but let's get back to the violence.. there's all these crazy people." pretty sure no one's ever been bitch slapped on their way into a dispensary haha. The MPP has a great effective arguments for advocates page.

Rick

May 11 2009, 10:18 pm

Hello, I’m Rick Seymour, Co-Author and good friend of Mr. Ricky Simpson of Nova Scotia, Canada. Everything you’ve seen on the Phoenix Tears web site is an excellent up to date medical marijuana information hub. Mr. Simpson and I discussed doing a book together that would help turn on more people to Phoenix Tears. My personal recommendation is for you to visit one more web site called, sethgroup.org. Proof under microscope that cannabis works well and safe to wart off cancer by killing the cancer cells with no side affects.

Yes, marijuana cures certain types of cancer but we haven’t begun to discover it’s full potential benefits to be derived in the future. Speak to your State representatives, tell them you elect to choose life via medicinal marijuana products and to voice your concerns in the State and Federal Courts. “Legalize to Save Lives.”

Boudieman

May 11 2009, 10:09 pm

Yes,the debate was dumb,but you have to keep the word out there! FREEDOM!!!

treehugger

May 11 2009, 8:29 pm

Dbaked - They're just in it for the sensationalism. Think anyone of them would take a punch in the face for it? Do life in jail for it? But they gotta sling their shit. Too bad 98% are fucking clueless.

treehugger

May 11 2009, 8:27 pm

to the deaf - same shit, different day, but at least it's on t.v. It would appear, however distasteful, that the O' is full-O-shit.

gstlab3

May 11 2009, 8:18 pm

YEAH YEAH YEAH.,LEGALIZE IT!! LEGALIZE IT!! but....., DID ANYONE NOTICE THAT ANDERSON COOPER LOOKS TOTALLY BLAZED OUT?????!!!!

Im deaf

May 11 2009, 7:53 pm

I can't understand what they're talking about. Can someone please point out a transcript to this video becuase I'm having a bit hard time finding one. Thank you for anyone who helps.

DBake

May 11 2009, 7:23 pm

Man, CNN has been running a lot of debates/ stories about legalizing, it seems this issue has become one of their go to stories haha

http://www.limelinx.com/files/45d0903bfc1e3bfda7d7122152b39166

Pro-Weed

May 11 2009, 7:11 pm

I am a marijuana activist and im 100% for it, but i am sorry, this debate was a joke. It really ruins the debates for legalization. The anti-pot side stated that more people are in treatment for weed than anything else, which isn't entirely true. People are offered, when convicted of some marijuana crime, the choice of rehab or jail/juvenile hall, and what idiot wouldn't take rehab. It's dumb. They don't want to be in rehab. They are not choosing. They just choose not to go to jail. It disgusts me that the pro-weed side does not argue against the anti-pot side. He merely just repeats that there is no evidence. People like this prolong marijuana reform months with each idiot debate.

treehugger

May 11 2009, 5:22 pm

ru kidding? I never thought I'd see this shit on t.v., broadcast/commercial t.v.? Discovery, History, can't go one day without seeing someone pro-pot on t.v. Thank who ever the fuck their god is!!!!!!!!!!

Reality Check

May 11 2009, 5:01 pm

I wish the pro pot groups wouldn't resort to bullshit like the anti pot groups .
"destroyed " .. not in this particular instance .Fairly lame describes it better .

treehugger

May 11 2009, 4:39 pm

It would appear the O' is full-O-shit, how embarassing it must be for him and his crew when they have to sit down at dinner and explain it their kids, "...well, yes sweetie, you did see me on national television and swear that I would leave those people alone, but this is politics, and your daddy is neck-deep in it". Now eat your french-fries.

treehugger

May 11 2009, 4:29 pm

You wanna end the war with mexico (don't know anyone who would smoke that shit anyways) build a canal from Brownsville to Baja, 100' deep X 100 yards wide, then you wouldn't have a border problem, and no need to go through Panama.

americanstoner

May 11 2009, 4:18 pm

WOW! lets see here avg. alcohol related deaths in u.s.a. each year =85,000 vs. WEED=ZEEERRROOOOOO and not just by year but in 5,000 years of recorded history! enough said

Common Sense

May 11 2009, 3:53 pm

"Former Drug Czar Destroyed In Pot Debate" ??
Not even close .
With all that talk about "addiction " and " treatment " that was NEVER questioned ? Nope .

This "debate " ( and I use the term reluctantly ) hasn't provided anything substantial for one side or the other .
At best , some may have found it entertaining , but "desroyed " ? Thats just to let people (who can't think for themselves )know what they are supposed to think . NO THANKS .

casual user

May 11 2009, 3:48 pm

Unbelievable. I'm sorry but God gave every human being free-will, and I thought this country was about freedoms. What the hell happened to them? Obama makes me laugh because he is actually a conservative in disguise and all you liberals voted for him. He might have smoked marijuana when he was younger, but hell he is a politician now, money speaks! Too bad all the dealers didn't fund campaigns like alcohol, tobacco, and pharmaceutical companies do. They are afraid of marijuana not because it increases violence, it is because with marijuana AND industrial hemp there are so many uses for the plant, that it would take away from (and I mean damage severely these huge corporations that have soiled our American existence in the 21st century). What if a single farmer in the Midwest was able to grow a crop that could actually be used for paper, building materials, plastics, medicine, oh and relax you after a hard days work? That is what "they" are afraid of.

Business as usual

May 11 2009, 3:10 pm

This is a prime example of why we will win the fight to legalize pot. The government has had to lie and manufacture false studies to maintain their credibility so as to keep marijuana a narcotic. And as with any lie,you have to keep telling more lies to cover the lie up. Now they have so many lies going,they can't keep up. When confronted with facts,they
don't have any real facts to present,they instead fall back on their manufactured and structured facts,which are too easy to
discredit. For every study that says pot is addictive,there are
3 that says it isn't. Where a study says that marijuana is a
gateway drug,there are dozens that say it isn't. And the list goes on for every anti-drug slogan they can come up with.
And the problem won't just go away. They can laugh at us,call
us trolls,and insult our intelligence with their stupid arguments,but they can't stop people wanting to increase the
pleasure in their lives.
Screw them,grow your own,and when these same clowns run for re-election,please don't vote for them.

SICK AND TIRED

May 11 2009, 3:01 pm

Fuck john walters

Jeffery shut him down on every point he tried to bring up

and Obama should be ashamed

I felt let down when he laughed about the question he was asked he could of just answered respectfully

OBAMA IS FAKE

treehugger

May 11 2009, 2:36 pm

It does appear that O' is full-o-shit, and his attorney general (ain't even worth capitalizing for that fuck).

But did you hear, "..it has been re-engineered to be stronger"? This ain't your granddads schwagg. Give me a million, and some DNA sequencers, please....

stoneyrepublican

May 11 2009, 1:20 pm

Why do you even try to lump sum Obama with Gov. Arnold? Obama laughed at the idea of legalization. Arnold Says open debate. Obama's a fraud. Fake Baker!

toker

May 11 2009, 1:19 pm

Mr. Jeffrey Miron did an excellent job disarming the phony arguments Walters came up with
according to Mr Walters San Francisco should be going to hell in a hand basket.
just because alcohol is legal does not mean more people want to be raging alcoholics, I know I could get drunk faster with whiskey but I would much rather drink a beer which has less alcohol in it, it's called moderation, Mr Walters thinks that grown up men don't have the ability to exercise any type of control over their own actions, and no matter how much bud you smoke you could never get so wasted you will piss in your own pants like some alcoholics do. Silly.

pimp money

May 11 2009, 1:10 pm

we should have john walters smoke out then he will be like, hell yeah. Obama smoked it, arnold smoked, who else needs to smoke it to prove its not bad, Jesus?

mop46n2

May 11 2009, 12:58 pm

i think legalization is a alternitive government should look at to boost our economy

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