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Light and the LED Zeppelin: Will LED’s Sink or Soar in the Growroom?

Light years ahead, the future of indoor growing may be a whole new game.

Sun, May 24, 2009 2:43 pm


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An Advanced Grow Feature by Nico Escondido

 

A Light Introduction

When people talk about indoor cultivation and the lamps they use to light up a growroom, some standard words and phrases come to mind. You have terms such as HPS and MH, referring to high-pressure sodium and metal halide bulbs, respectively. You have units of measurement such as wattage, lumens or lux thrown around to describe a particular lamp’s discharge or intensity. Lately, however, there have been a couple of three-letter words that are used more and more with relatively little understanding. But these words (which are actually acronyms for larger phrases) may play an even greater role in what takes place in growrooms in the very near future… Welcome to Part II of our Advanced Lighting Series.

 
P.A.R.

PAR is a term usually synonymous with golf. But when you look at it in a different light, it can also mean photosynthetically active radiation – and that is a term usually associated with serious cannabis cultivation. In essence, the PAR value is a rating for the amount of usable light that a bulb can emit.

           

Researchers and horticulturists have figured out that PAR values are higher at the ends of the visible spectrum – that is to say, in the red and blue frequencies (or wavelengths) of light. The basic PAR zone includes most of this visible spectrum, ranging from about 380 to 750 nanometers (nm) in wavelength. Blue frequencies of the spectrum occur at wavelengths around 450 nm, and red somewhere near 650 nm. These wavelengths directly correspond to the amount of photons being sent to the plants, and this, in turn, affects plant processes such as photosynthesis, plant tropism and even stomatal action on leaves (the opening and closing of leaf stomata for respiration).

           

Big-time growers are always looking for ways to tweak, supercharge and optimize their gardens, because they know this leads to superior marijuana. Advantages in light utilization and increased photosynthesis can obviously help create larger yields and more potent buds. The key to remember is that not all light emitted by your bulbs will be usable by your plants. To that end, growers must figure out what spectrum is best for their particular crop.

 
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L.E.D.

The light-emitting diode, or LED, was invented in Russia in the mid-1920’s. You might be thinking: Who cares where it was invented? But the important fact here is when it was invented – nearly 85 years ago.

 

The point is that it has taken a very long time for this technology to come into use, and these days the most limiting factor with LED’s is still the cost of developing the technology. Manufacturers are just now hitting the market with LED products that are actually precise enough and strong enough to light indoor gardens on their own. In the next five to 10 years – assuming these new LED lamps work well – you can expect to see a huge increase in market volume for LED’s as the cost of this technology begins to go down. With that said, let’s take a look at the basic advantages of LED lights, moving gradually into the more technical aspects.

 

To start with, LED lamps use somewhere around one-fifth the power of normal high-intensity discharge (HID) lighting. One of our recent test products – the UFO LED, manufactured by HID Hut (and depicted on our February 2008 cover) – uses 90 watts while still putting out just as many lumens as a 400-watt MH bulb. Obviously, this amounts to a pretty big savings in power consumption and electricity costs.

 

Additionally, LED’s give off a lot less heat than any conventional HID lamp. Gone are the days of air-cooled lighting systems and the necessity for industrial-strength exhaust fans – not to mention showing up on the thermal-imaging screens of narco-copters flying overhead. The latest LED models, such as the UFO, have built-in fans to cool the tiny bulbs, making standard growroom ventilation and air exchanges more than enough to keep room temperatures at optimal levels. Not too shabby.

 

So what about the spectrum? Well, here’s where the technology side begins to come into play. It’s worth mentioning that each of these little LED’s can cost the manufacturer upwards of $10 each. When you have 90 LED’s in one lamp, things start to get extremely pricey. The key to keeping this cost down is for the manufacturer to choose LED bulbs that will be more cost-efficient for the consumer. The trick, however, is to not compromise on the best spectral wavelength for your plants. As it stands now, the best LED products in stores (and online) can cost between $550 and $650.

 

Still, while $600 may seem pretty high for a single-unit lamp, the argument for it is simple: Savings in energy consumption repays the cost after only a year of use. Manufacturers understand, however, that unless the results are overwhelmingly positive, many indoor growers will remain wary. Even so, when you factor in the costs of ballasts, reflectors, bulbs and cooling equipment for conventional HID lamps, the price gap closes quickly.

 

And so spectrum becomes the trump card. Because LED companies can choose diodes based on the color they emit, they can choose the best spectral frequencies for cannabis plants to thrive in. This is a lot harder for HID-bulb manufacturers, although it should be noted that there are ways for them to do so (and this will be covered in Part III of this series). In creating LED products, a compromise is often reached between optimal color wavelengths and cost; this way, the price tag doesn’t become prohibitive, and the plants will grow as well or better than they would under conventional HID lighting.

 

The UFO, for example, utilizes two spectral wavelengths; one red and one blue. When the lamp was going though its prototype testing, trials found that with the red diodes at 455 nm and blues at 627 nm, some minor stretching occurred during the flowering stage. To combat this, the company tweaked the lamp, stepping up the number of blue diodes from 10 to 20 out of 90. While the company’s founder acknowledges that he would have preferred to use 660s instead of 627s, the cost of doing so would have made the product five times more expensive, and that just doesn’t work for home or hobbyist growers. It has been these types of adjustments (with more to come) that have helped LED’s become viable options for indoor growrooms.

 

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Looking toward the future, it may soon be possible for LED lamps to hit every possible color in the spectrum that a plant could want, and to supply it in the exact amounts that cannabis plants need. But right now, LED’s like the UFO have produced yields similar to or better than their HID counterparts in initial trials (see results in final section), and have simultaneously saved growers money on electricity while adding better security and growroom atmosphere than do standard HPS and MH bulbs.

 
Extra Perspective from the HT Blimp
 
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To give some added perspective on the sheer costs of developing the LED to its full potential, High Times got an inside scoop on the future of LED lighting straight from China – the hub of LED research, development and production.

 

Preliminary reports have stated that a diode measuring two by two inches (which is an extremely large diode compared to conventional LED’s) has been manufactured in China and is currently in the testing phase. Approximately a half-dozen of these diodes were created in a clean room, as microprocessors might be, with only a small percentage of them working for a short period of time. Still, the 200-watt diode, which is a blue, phosphor-coated bulb, reportedly emits 200,000 lumens!

 

While the cost of materials and actual construction are negligible, the research and developmental costs for this project have been estimated at 60 million yuan, or $8 million – over $1 million per diode. As always, once mass production starts, the cost of these diodes will drop fast… but starting at a million per, it’s going to be at least 10 years before we see anything like that in a growroom.

 

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Spectral Comparisons by Bulb

All plants absorb light via pigments such as chlorophyll A, chlorophyll B and carotenoids. This light energy, also known as photons, is converted into usable plant energy by the excitation of electrons within the plant cells. This energy becomes the major catalyst in photosynthesis. Without this energy, the plant would be unable to produce food for itself and grow. Without this energy, there would be no buds or resin production of any kind.

 

A graphic of the absorption process within leaves is depicted in Figure 1.1.

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The graph shows the absorption rates of two separate pigments (chlorophyll A and B) and breaks down the absorption spectrum by wavelength or color. With this knowledge, it is much easier to see the importance of providing proper spectrum for indoor marijuana gardens. As a guide to better understanding what bulbs can and cannot supply, we have compiled a few graphs to illustrate some of the more prominent bulb types on the market today (see figures 1.2, 1.3 and 1.4).

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One important characteristic that isn’t displayed on these charts, however, is the power of the light emitted. Ironically, the bulbs with the best light spectrum are actually the weakest in terms of strength. In fact, a regular incandescent household light bulb actually has a superior spectrum compared to HPS or MH bulbs, but the power just isn’t there. When bulbs lack the strength for their light to penetrate or even reach garden canopies, their value becomes limited.
 

Bulbs must be able to deliver their light to cannabis gardens with a force as close to the sun’s natural power as possible. Unfortunately, bulbs like fluorescents or incandescents are only strong enough for supplemental lighting, or for use in nursery lamps when baby clones are still rooting. Using lights that aren’t powerful enough for adults will result in spindly, leafy plants as their branches stretch to gather more light.

 

Another important consideration regarding spectrum involves using supplemental lighting to compensate for the lack of a full spectrum. A well-known experiment conducted in 1950 by Robert Emerson led to the discovery of what we now call the Emerson Enhancement Effect. In principal, the effect states that when shorter wavelengths (i.e., blues or oranges) are supplied along with the longer wavelengths (such as reds at 690 nm and higher), absorption and photosynthesis occur at a faster rate than the sum of both colors acting alone. The reason this happens is because separate photosynthetic processes, called photosystems, occur within the leaves and are related to the specific leaf pigments discussed above.

 

As research progressed, it turned out that these systems can work together within leaves and that each actually works better when functioning together. Thus, it may be best for indoor growers to mix opposing wavelengths when supplementing gardens rather than use the standard HPS/ MH mix. Looking at the spectral coverage of various bulbs, we notice that fluorescent bulbs are an excellent option for supplemental light. Many people first thought that LED’s would also be a great source of supplemental light, but as developments continue, some are now claiming that they may be the next all-in-one lamp. With prices dropping in LED technology, more manufacturers like HID Hut will be able to produce fuller-spectrum LED lights, making the future even brighter than we might have anticipated.

 

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Inside LED’s

Electroluminescence (EL) is both an optical and electrical phenomenon in which light is emitted by a material in response to an electric current being passed through it. LED’s emit a form of EL using a semiconductor diode, as compared to the light emission resulting from heat or incandescence (such as in a standard household bulb), or from the action of chemicals or chemoluminescence (as in HID bulbs like HPS, MH and mercury vapor).

 

The specific colors emitted by LED’s depend upon the type of semi-conducting material inside the diode. The colors of light from an LED can be of the visible spectrum, but they can also be infrared or near-ultraviolet as well. As mentioned earlier, LED’s can even be manipulated to give off white light, which is the light created through the combination of all the colors of the visible spectrum. Sometimes bulb manufacturers put various types of coatings on their bulbs to achieve white light, but LED’s can combine different color diodes to produce this same effect. Blue diodes can be added to red and green LED’s to create a fuller spectrum and make a whiter light. Whiter-light-emitting bulbs, such as fluorescents, are obviously a better choice for indoor gardens because of their fuller spectrums. The only question then is whether or not the light source is strong enough to deliver that spectrum to the plants effectively.

 
An Electro-Illuminant Future?

And that’s the million-dollar question: Are LED’s the wave of the future? Obviously, there are big savings in power usage as well as heat production, and overall security is enormously better. But will they yield bigger? Will they yield super dank? We’ve presented all the facts, but ultimately the answer to that can only be determined by you. In case you’re still having trouble figuring it all out, here’s a few more facts straight from the High Times Cultivation Labs:

 

In three separate trials, a high-powered LED (prototypes of HID Hut’s UFO) was run in side-by-side experiments – once against a 400-watt MH bulb, once against a 400-watt HPS bulb, and once against a 600-watt HPS bulb. These trials used exactly the same conditions on both sides of the fence. The plants were cuttings taken from a single mother; the medium and grow systems were the same; and the nutrients and atmospheric conditions were kept identical. The only variable was the lamp provided. And, as usual, the results varied.

 

In Trial A, the clones were placed in a three-by-six-foot box that was divided evenly in half. An ebb-and-flow table on each side shared the same grow medium and reservoir. In the end, the LED lamp yielded 12% more than its counterpart, the 400-watt MH.

 

In Trial B, similar systems again pitted the UFO against a 400-watt HPS, only this time the LED side took an extra week to finish. Some concern arose over stretching, as the clone grew to touch the UFO. This resulted in a decision to increase the blue diodes in a second prototype, and it may lead to an increase in wavelength for the red diodes, according to the manufacturer. In the end, the LED side yielded 5% less than the HPS side did.

 

However, it was reported in Trial B that there were markedly different potencies, with the LED plant producing much more resin. Speculation exists that the shortage of wavelengths aided in this process, as abnormal stresses have been known to increase the production of resin glands. Final calculations taking into consideration the extra week of flowering time on the LED side found that in terms of grams yielded per kilowatt hour (KwH) consumed, the HPS yield was one-fourth that of the LED side.

 

In Trial C, the grower found similarities to both previous trials. While the LED yielded less than its counterpart, this test pushed the limits of the LED by pitting it against a stronger 600-watt HPS bulb. Resin production on this Cali-O strain was up after just four weeks of flowering, but in the end, the yield was around 20% less. However, the grower did note that the amount of money saved in electric costs compared against the costs of the 600-watt HPS was almost enough to offset the profits lost on yield. An interesting side note in this trial was that the plant on the LED side needed considerably less watering than the plant on the HPS side. It is possible that this is due to lower surface temperatures in the soil medium, or because the plant wasn’t driven as hard and thus drank less.

 

Anyway you slice it, this one’s a real mind-bender. Given the possibilities for vast improvements down the line, the LED revolution could very well be underway already. Will the LED Zeppelin (or the UFO) take off and change the world? For the present, things are certainly looking up.

 

Related: Let There Be Light



» add a comment

4pain420

Mar 10 2010, 11:10 am

P.S.. SPINNER ROOF EXHAUSTS FOR FREE FAN VENTILATION..

4pain420

Mar 2 2010, 12:39 pm

SOLAR TUBES FOR ROOFS = NO POWER CONSUMPTION,THERE GO THE PROFITS FOR THE ELECTRICAL COMPANIES/LIGHT MANUFACTURERS.OH CRAP, MEN IN BLACK OUTSIDE MY DOOR,LOL.

4pain420

Mar 2 2010, 11:15 am

HOW ABOUT NO POWER CONSUMPTION,NO HEAT LIGHT SIGNATURE. USE "SOLAR-TUBES"(ROOF DOME TUBES) TO BRING IN NATURAL LIGHT. PUT AN ANGLE IN THE LIGHT TUBES TO OBSCURE THE GROW ROOM.AN EXAMPLE WOULD BE 2-4 TUBES ON THE RIM OF THE GROW-ROOM ANGLED IN.

soup

Jan 26 2010, 2:12 pm

hey everybody, right now 420magazine.com is doing a grow journal with two different lights the competition is between the ppf-800 from the Haight Solid State grow lights against the Hydro Grow LED light, this is very exciting and also you can see pictures of the progress, right now they are switching to flowering, anyways if you want to see a great review and a great LED lights showdown, 420 has got it.
just go to 420magazine and click on "grow"
then click on "grow journals"
happy 420 get your leds.

runt

Jan 25 2010, 8:29 pm

I highly recommend the ppf-400 you will be very pleased and right now you could get the ppf-400 for only 300 bucks from greeners.com this light is great and does not need fans.
Haight Solid State has the real deal if you are looking to get away from cfl's and mercury.
the ppf-400 has the complete spectrum including white led's.
great job to the guys at Haight Solid State for making such a great grow light

Richard

Jan 23 2010, 10:33 pm

I noticed the link function 'here' does not work so here is the full link

http://www.thewrightsolutions.com/about/gallery.php

Richard

Jan 23 2010, 10:32 pm

hey Guys,

We are currently setting up a test with a HPS lamp, CFL and a LED (5-BAND) lamp. too keep track please check
here There are no images there yet as we will do the setup on JAN 24, we will give all the variable we will be working with on that same page.

stump

Jan 21 2010, 5:59 pm

I wish Hightimes would do a follow-up on the L.E.D. technology, what about a comparison between lights?
this is a very important new technology, we should know what they can do.

jester

Jan 16 2010, 3:38 pm

DONT TRUST ANYONE

blette

Jan 2 2010, 10:15 pm

Do you think a led ufo 90 watt would be plenty for strawberries? (no not strawberre cough :p)

newkid

Dec 29 2009, 3:41 pm

The GlowPanel 45 from sunshine systems only costs about $140.00 uses only 28 watts it puts out the equivalent of a 250 watt hps it's very bright, I would recommend this to someone who has limited space and not looking to have more than 3 plants if you supplement it with about 4 cfls it works very well, extend your flowering to 12 weeks and the quality and quantity is pleasing. you could spend more on higher quality L.E.D.s but if you don't have a ton of money this will work very well and uses less energy than cfl's.
I would say that l.e.d.s increase potency and create no heat.
I can't wait until the prices for the better quality L.E.D.s come down to more affordable range, I like the ones I saw at stealthgrow.com thanks to the person who put out that site, those led lights look fancy and nice, but to be hones way out of my league, I can only imagine the high quality yield you get with those, but one thing I know for sure is leds work and they are here to stay, seen it.
Get off the fence, it's time to get some quality soil.

ET"S420

Nov 13 2009, 10:46 pm

reading some of this stuff u guys are sayin about the led's is helpfull.I'm workin in a test program right now with some bad ass new led's.there workin with german and american parts so it shpuld be ok.3 and 5 watt diodes are used.I'll let u guys know what's up we're almost done.

dolorosa 420

Oct 22 2009, 9:00 pm

Hello to all. Im one with actual LED growing experience myself and just completed a testing project i had last week. I took 12 45 watt led panels i found online and placed them close together. That equaled 540 watts of led power then I used a great white hood with a 1000 watt hps all in the same room, same enviroment, same feeding schedule same srain same everything but the light of course. I placed a curtan to divide the hut so non of the light could reach eachother. Long story short, from veg to bloom took 13 weeks and now I have the results in my hand as I type this. This technology is SICK! not only did I yield a bit more than the 1k, the led nugs were covered with so much more sugar and were so much moe denser than the hps. I LOOKED UP THIS STEALTHGROW.COM AND SEE THEY HAVE A 600 WATTER AND A 1200 BUT BOTH ONLY DRAW ONLY HALF THE POWER. ACORDING TO MY TEST WICHED PROVED TO BE GREAT BUT BUYING 12 panels SET ME BACK MUCH MORE THAN IT COSTS TO BUY THE 600 WATTER AT STEALTHGROW. THEY ALSO HAVE A MUCH MORE ADVANCED CHIP AND SPECTRUM. CHECK THERE SITE OUT AND YOU WILL LEARN ALOT. IM GIVING THEM A CALL TOMOROW AND MOST LIKLY BUY A FEW TO TEST OUT. LEDs are taking over and Im excited.

alex420

Oct 22 2009, 8:01 pm

Hey guys. Just tuned in and wanted to know if anyone ever tried the stealthgrow product. I personally tried leds before with positive results but it was one of those weak round ones. think it was called UFO wih about 30 or 40 watts of power. These guys have a 1200 watt model and claim it only uses 650 watts because of some sort of step up transformer. If thats the case I can only imagine what kind of damage I can do with that light. According to them it claims to a 1200 model is like having 2 1000 watt. Again if anyone has used this before let me know...

topnotchgardner

Oct 22 2009, 7:53 pm

Hey LEDKING. I went on the site and have got to say it really changed the way I think of leds now. I ordered the Sg601 model and hope to get it soon. Did you order one or know anyone that used his before? Let me know and thanks for leting us know.

crystalking

Oct 22 2009, 5:21 pm

to farmerBUD: i used the SG602. cant wait to try the SG1202 when i can afford it. i got to agree, WAY cheaper than the other LEDs.

farmerBUD

Oct 22 2009, 5:15 pm

hey guys, saw your post. i just commented in the spectrum area. So you guys are happy with their light. anyone using the SG602?

LEDMAN

Oct 22 2009, 12:14 pm

thanks crystalking

LEDMAN

Oct 22 2009, 12:13 pm

OK, i definitely learned something new.
anybody using LED check out www.stealthgrow.com
i saw this light at a store in Hollywood that LED is brighter than anything i ever saw the website just confirmed it for me, they actually have lab testing results on their site..i called that lab to see if its real, i was shocked to find out it was. wow these guys are awesome...
showing actual spectrum charts with intensity levels against a 1,000HPS and showing the chlorophyll activity.

crystalking

Oct 21 2009, 9:45 pm

btw, i was using the SG602 MF. that thing is bright vs my 1k HPS installed in great white hood.

crystalking

Oct 21 2009, 9:40 pm

hello to all. but you all should check out this LED, ive been using for a few months, i got to say it ROCKS!!! you can forget everything you read about LEDs check these guys
www.stealthgrow.com

To the rookie below me

Oct 20 2009, 2:42 pm

If you dont feel comfortable with your progress by all means, add more light.

More light is never really a bad thing. I suggest 3 CFLs at the 2,700k range, about 1,000+ lumen each wouldn't be a bad idea either.

They're about $5 a piece at home depot or lowes.

not a pro

Oct 20 2009, 1:06 pm

To the dude below me the 225 is the number of leds in each panel. I use leds my babies are doing well in the flowering cycle for about two weeks now, got not sure if they are buds, but the tops have changed Wanted to kno if i add supplemental light what should i use. CFLs?

Tim-SD

Oct 6 2009, 12:05 am

Going to give it a try. Just invested in 3 panels 225 watt each red & blue L.E.D. I'm going for overboard on lighting for a 2 by 4 by 5 grow tent. 3 panels should do the trick.

Tim
-San Diego

Holland Toker

Sep 23 2009, 7:12 pm

This article is more of an advertisement for the very very overpriced 90 watt lamp, than that it is a fact bound article.

First off the LED shown here is made up of 1 watt LED lights. Those are Low intensity LED's that barely have any penetrating power whatsover. They are just not strong enough, and that is also why there is not a heat problem. If you take proper LED's like the Lumilux LED's from Philips. You'll see completley different things, these are 8 or 10 watt leds, that have a lot more light intensity than the 1 watters could ever give. The Lumilux might then not produce the heat on the front of the lamp like an HPS would do, but it produces the heat at the back. The Lumilux LEDs need heatsinks attached to the back to dissipate the heat and then you would still want to use active cooling to keep the temps down.
I'd love to see some actual pictures and data from the 90watt UFO vs the other lamps.
Coz if you check out www.ledgrow.eu, you will that after 6 testsetups with proper High-Intensity LEDs they still can't get close to an MH let alone a proper HPS. An experienced CFL grower will yield more and denser buds then any LED system can do for the moment. And if they might be able to match the yield the investments needed to get such setup will be more than 20 times that of a cfl or hps setup.

NoID

Sep 18 2009, 1:21 am

Whats your e-mail bishop? I might be interested in those lamps.

bishop420536

Sep 15 2009, 11:21 pm

I have 4 400watt multi tap(110, 220, 440)hps lights with built in ballast!!! Have bulbs with them and also have pics! These lights are big and powerful! Two are weather proof. E-mail me at yahoo. May be willing to trade if money is involved. Asking 100.00 but neg. Willing to ship if you have Pay Pale account. Maybe would drive if within 2-3 hours of me.

biz-aye

Aug 25 2009, 9:25 pm

I grew with a 180w jumbo ufo-5 band, supposed to have the "useable" output of a 600w hps-BULLSHIT!! The buds finished late and with minimal density.I think it would have worked in a tiny grow tent-2x2 max-and by worked I mean I probably would have had more airy loose bud-BFD!!The intensity is not there for decent production-check my thread on GC-Led Grow 2009-I fucked around for a year before I hung it up.And fuck a tri-band/quad band-whatever.Incomplete spectrums cant be enhanced.But hey, check my thread-I even kept small HID grows going and 2 blueberries are compared-led/hps-check it out for yourself-but let me leave with this, and check for yourself-most efficient leds-not used in ufo's-(100 lumen/watt-hps-140 lumen/watt-dont think lumens count?Try leds-you'll switch back-guaranteed

bcgb

Aug 16 2009, 1:09 pm

if you knew how to focus your light, you would be on cloud nine. because of power saved the amount of units you can use is more than quadrupled, and now your able to alleviate any canopy blockage and maximize the entirety. every bud is now the size of a cola. before you knock something you don't understand, do some research. invest and maximize.

Fynchy

Aug 8 2009, 6:38 am

First off the article is well written, that doesn't mean to say the content is not 50% bull shit. LEDs have nothing on HID lets be honest. It may be there in 5 years but at the moment, the red/blue LEDs have not, and will not come close to HID. With a direct power usage comparison I'd still put money on HPS out-yielding the LED.

askoluncleB

Aug 7 2009, 8:27 am

been budding with a 350W LED (red, blue, orange)for a couple of months. Made the switch, from 600W HPS, to deal with summer heat in my closet. No more heat problems. Little longer to finish and buds are a little smaller. Will switch back in the fall.
In closing if you want to beat the heat LED's are good, but max harvest and less time go HPS.

snake

Aug 6 2009, 10:20 am

you can only grow with a perscription in the states dickhead on ya there is a world outside your asshole ...anyway mad artical definately an eye opener

kiwi

Aug 4 2009, 1:38 am

Hmmmmmm veeeerrryyy in ter est ing

kind like

Jul 28 2009, 3:59 pm

Goverment,Rats,Informents all look for those who cause violents a mong others..If you have a sssn,or a drivers licence "THEY" know everything about you and your friends..A cell phone works well for tracking.make sure you take the batts.out before you do something to put you or your friends in danger.. be friendly and kind.

your a dumb ass

Jul 27 2009, 1:36 am

you can grow if you have a prescription retard

Mary Janes Mom

Jul 22 2009, 3:46 pm

This is my first time growing and i invested in the LED And We are a few weeks away from harvest.... so far so good! money well spent, Thanks for the invention, whoever invented it. MJM

concerned pothead

Jul 22 2009, 7:36 am

You guys ought to be more carfull about what you say on comment boards on sites like this (weed sites). With shit like the patriot act still in effect, the fucking DEA are all over this shit. They can find out where you are and bust your ass's, I mean shit, they have probable cause now that you admited your growing.

look through these pages
and you'll see what I mean.
They are on this site.
Ex. that pig calling himself goodfella.

Be carefull keep your mouths shut, and pray you don't end up sharing a cell with some guy called bubba!

DIZZLE

Jul 9 2009, 5:14 am

peep this!
www.misshightimes.com/users/dizzle

Coinspinner

Jul 8 2009, 8:19 pm

To all the nawsayers: Did you read the review right above where you are commenting?

Any reason that High Times would be mistaken or lying to us?

They appear to work, the Master has spoken. Carry on.

SOME GUY in SoCal

Jul 7 2009, 2:46 pm

FORGET THE UFOs I FOUND A REALY COOL PODUCT AT www.HiTeqElectric.com

treehugger

Jul 3 2009, 3:52 am

medicine man - brilliant...pun intended

Made in USA?

I'm on my way, still trying to find a horticulture job first

treehugger

Jul 1 2009, 2:51 pm

Well, the Doc said it, and I've been sayin it since I was 15, quit importing inferior, defective, often dangerous or deadly products from these 3rd-world wannabe countries.

Until I see "Made in USA or Germany", and get my own choices of a varying range of red and blue, not just one wavelength of each...I couldn't drop $1,000 and stare at that "made in China" label.

MARS

Jun 29 2009, 6:52 pm

This looks and sounds really good. The future definitely looks brighter. Grow your own!!!

medicine man

Jun 29 2009, 4:47 pm

Well after reading this article I felt I had the info needed for buying and using a led. I went with a 90watt triband UFX made by California Nursery. They retail for $700 but can be had on their ebay site for $200. A buddy of mine has an cheap UFO he got on ebay that just does not support plant life. My guess is that it does not provide the needed spectrum and intensity. Side by side, you can just tell the UFX is superior in the quality. Lighted up, the difference is huge. His is a dull pinkish hue where as mine is a blinding red,blue and orange hue. Look at it for a few seconds and my eyes and head start to hurt.It's that bright. I dont know if it would replace a 400 watt halide but it does just as good as job as my 250 halide, if not better. I'm experiencing 1/2" internode lengths on AK-48 and White Widow strains. The internodes on the plants still under the halide are 3/4 to 1" in length.I also have sensi star growing with no notable difference for that strain between the two lights. I do plan on using this light for vegetating only. As good as it is I just dont think it will provide the punch needed to develop a 20-30 inch tall plant the way my 430 hortilux does. But for taking a clone thru veg to about a foot tall, a hi quality led will do the job just as good as a halide.

treehugge

Jun 27 2009, 10:07 am

Doc Parker - when can we civilians expect to have access to the Pentium version?

I thought 1,000 watts was the next milestone, hopefully with a range of red and blue, so what kind of distance could we expect from them monsters?

I'd love to see them work on Sativa. Can you make the bulbs shaped like flourescent? Ya know, 1,2,3 feet long?

treehugger

Jun 27 2009, 9:55 am

slunt - energy is universal, 186,000 miles per second!

With regard to lights, it's the same as conventional lighting. More lumens=more distance.

Einstein depicted it with a pyramid, and Hightimes keeps it perpetual as in their grow section (I buy all their mags retail, love the centerfolds, which I can't find digitized?, and the grow tips are world-class) by Niko.

Grow Section
Healine:Let There Be Light (think he borrowed that from someone, but yet...there was)
An In-depth Study of the Spectrum (& More)
by Nico Escondido

Sat, Jan 17, 2009 11:22 am

slunt

Jun 21 2009, 11:07 am

How far does an LED push useful light? Are your plants restricted to a certain height or is 4-5 foot high doable ?

..

Jun 13 2009, 10:53 am

wouldnt it be the water evaporates faster rather than :

the plant drinks more :)

but good article none the less :D

Dankman

Jun 12 2009, 2:38 am

GREAT ARTICLE!

For the cheapest prices on grow lights go to eloofaimports.com

I got mine there, these guys are SUPER cheap and they get the best quality. They have a huge warehouse. These lights work great for my clones, crazy stuff man!

AC

Jun 6 2009, 2:58 pm

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umm

May 28 2009, 3:34 pm

And to prove their superiority of ALL other leds, run the specs through this candela (millicandela) "or mcd" to lumen conversion wizard

http://led.linear1.org/lumen.wiz

and see for yourself...I bet 500 of them would make you have to wear sunglasses. Or welding goggles lol

umm

May 28 2009, 3:23 pm

When I move to a med state, I intend on purchasing these http://shop.ebay.com/items/?_nkw=StrawHat++140%C2%B0+blue&_sacat=0&_trksid=m270&_odkw=StrawHat++140%C2%B0+red&_osacat=0

They have reds and blues. I haven't heard one reason why they couldn't be used where economy is a factor, and they should be just as good as the higher power ones, cause a person could solder up like 500 of them for a real bright light source. Strawhats seem the best for the money. They could be mounted on aluminum lithograph sheet to keep them extra cool... Can't wait to move!!

I think they are the cheapest way to go. The beam angle is great, and so is the price. They simply can not be beat in my mind, as price is everything to me. Why buy a pre-made setup when you can solder your own.

Mary Jane 360

May 27 2009, 10:42 pm

My plant is about 5 & 1/2 inches tall, but only has 4 leaves. My friends is shorter and already has more leaves. I heard that to make it branch, you bend the top part of the plant over and secure it with a bread tie. Is this the way to do it? If so, when do I do it?

wa`hash

May 27 2009, 9:07 pm

I don't know if this matters to anyone, but i am a first time grower. being in a state that has some of the stricts drug laws in the country i did a lot of research before i started. everything was easy for me to get and set up, but lighting was a problem for me. the pigs watch for heat sig's and electical usage. i found led's and had to buy them. i was very scared at first, becuase their was very little info. on the end result of led usage. being a first timer i fucked my first run of seeds. the few seeds i had left i started over. i started with six seeds. veg. stage went real well,at 18/6. temp. was never a problem at all. watering was a problem at first, but got used to watering every 5 to 6 days. at the end of one month my plants were about 18" i changed to 12/12. i lost three to males. its been three weeks know. i am very satisfied so far. the three i have left are doing great. they are all above 3ft.(one is 4ft. with over 20 flowers on it). i forgot to add the stems are very thick, but leaves are still pretty thin(if this means any thing). i can't wait for the end result.

exit66books

May 27 2009, 6:31 pm

iam useing a 300 w led light in a spare beedroom and my friend is useing a 1000w hps lamp in a laundry room. my grow room is controlled better as per tempertures. we are growing the same clones 6 each. my plants are taller, better looking and fuller and use a lot less water. i know that the LED light works much better. we havent decided if we're goin to use the hps light for flowering.we will defently use the LED light frow veg.we're germinting lowryder seeds as i type this. we will use the LED for veg for the first month than use the hps light for flower.

SwiftdrifteR_fourtwinkie420

May 26 2009, 3:38 pm

I just purchased a Sun System 24 New Wave T5 4 bulb 2' & it has 4x 6500k bulbs, brought all my plants to life, its like day light in there & it has the best reflector I have ever seen and only 97watts of electricity. My plants are growing fast & healthy no lag of light with poly on the walls & pots (hydroponics top feeder) cost $150.00 with bulbs at my local hydroponic store

MidwestTruth

May 26 2009, 12:27 pm

Save $50 a month over a 400w HPS?
Since when did a 400w HPS cost even close to that to run in a month. My 400w system costs around $17 / mo to use.

Pretty sad a publication like this is lying to the people. I thought truth is what would save Marijuana legislation.... here you are spreading more lies.

Flowering with led's

May 26 2009, 9:32 am

Using 90 watts led and (4)x65 watt 2700k cfl's,looking real good in the bloom room.
Using 45 watts led and (2)x105 watt 6500k in the grow room.
Excellent node spacing without legginess.
Don't know if it all meets the claims of effectiveness,but
the led's combined with the cfl's seem to be the best. And the growth rate is amazing,you can almost watch them grow at night,instead of watching tv.

led king

May 26 2009, 7:04 am

I´ve been using for six months for veg and for bud. Watt-grm compared to hps is off the chart and where i live it is hot which is a great advantage with leds because hps makes too much heat even with a cooltube uin the summer. if the weather is cold i dont recomend led switch bak to hps in the winter. peace

good fella

May 26 2009, 4:01 am

hey ive just got about 500 seeds from a mate of mine i live in australia and i was wondering if any one wanted seeds you no grow some aussie bud ill send em 2 ya for free cause iam high as you are lol ps aboriginals rule lol

anonymous

May 26 2009, 12:55 am

You first state the following in your article.

"Blue frequencies of the spectrum occur at wavelengths around 450 nm, and red somewhere near 650 nm."


You go on to say the following, this directly conflicts with the beggining of the article. How do you have blue at 627nm? Is this information correct?

"trials found that with the red diodes at 455 nm and blues at 627 nm"

JB

May 25 2009, 11:48 pm

I'VE BEEN USING THE LED UFO FOR 3-4 MONTHS. IT'S ON 20 HRS A DAY, LIGHTING 20-30 PLANTS IN ONE GAL. POTS. AFTER SWITCHING FROM A 400 WATT HPS TO LED, MY BILLS HAVE DROPPED $50 A MONTH. I WON'T USE THE LED UFO FOR FLOWERING, BUT IT WORKS GREAT FOR VEG. YOU CAN GET THEM NOW FOR @ $250, WELL WORTH IT.

Morbius

May 25 2009, 7:04 pm

Has anyone looked into the higher wattage RGB LEDs?

LEDngin Has 5W RGB and 10W RGB. Those could be custom driven at varying current outputs and varying voltages by using dimmer circuitry to mix the light into the proper spectrum.

They also make True UV dies too, meaning if you mixed and matched your luminous flux and spectral ratings of the said LEDS in question, you could come up with a KILLER efficient and cool running light source.

I deal with these LEDs every day due to my occupation. I think that there are some extremely promising aspects in regard to using LEDs.

Not to mention that the GOOD LED Manufacturers are ROHS compliant and are eco-friendly.

FUCKING HOSTILE

May 25 2009, 5:32 pm

THANKS DOC! I WILL STEER CLEAR UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE!

Dr. Thomas Parker

May 25 2009, 2:38 pm

Need to make one clarification. What I meant to say was the lights currently put out a maximum of 0.5 micromoles per Watt. It's garbage. You need at LEAST 2 micromoles per watt and preferably 4 to 6 micromoles per watt. When I used the Quantum Devices Snap-Lites I was getting in excess of 2 micromoles per watt. Those lights put out 450 micromoles per m^2 per second PPFD. They worked, but they could even be better. LEDs as they are manufactured right now SUCK. The materials used in making the emitters are poor and the ones made in China are just garbage. Quantum Devices uses 'secret' doped advanced materials in their emitters and they rock. They do not last too long as they are pushed to their limits as THEY SHOULD BE! Right now NO LED maker is any where CLOSE to those lights and quite frankly will NEVER be there as they get their garbage from China.

Dr. Thomas Parker

Dr. Thomas Parker

May 25 2009, 2:24 pm

Told the Truth is CORRECT. Currently ALL the commercially available LEDs used to drive photosynthesis are garbage! They put out 0.5 micromoles/m^2/sec photon flux density. THAT SUCKS!! The ONLY LEDs worth any money are the ones that NASA uses, the ones that I HAVE USED when I got my Master's in photosystem biochemistry, the Quantum Devices Snap-Lites. They ARE commercially available, but you have to shell out a lot of cash to get them.

There are other problems with ALL these other SO-CALLED know-it-alls in the shady commercial plant LED business, however, I am in the process of patenting the CORRECT stuff to screw all these idiots over. Save your money for now until I get the patent submitted. Buy high output fluorescent banks or HPS. NASA knows what is needed to grow plants with LEDs as do I. All these others that are carrying garbage and buying items piece-mail from China with zero credit and zero big business financial backing, you are going to go away. But that is all good as you are all pushing garbage and have NO CLUE what it really takes to grow plants with LEDs the most efficient way! Enough said.

Dr. Thomas Parker

anonymous

May 25 2009, 1:00 pm

check out their ebay store,shipping is FREE

anonymous

May 25 2009, 12:54 pm

they also have an ebay store where shipping is free

anonymous

May 25 2009, 12:51 pm

www.prosourceworldwide.com these are the lights everyone should look at.from my own experience they do exactly what they say.

The good stuff

May 25 2009, 12:29 pm

As far as I know,the best lights are made with 10mm ultra-bright
diodes,using 1 watt per bulb. If the lights you are looking at don't use at least 1 watt per bulb,they are the the snake oil salesman and will not provide enough light too get the job done.

anonymous

May 25 2009, 12:03 pm

A serious problem that surrounds the LED grow lamp industry is the lack of transparency. Instead of providing technical details (i.e. output of light frequency, lumen per watt, etc.) they feed marketing BS which feeds on the band wagon effect (NASA grows with LEDs, so I should too). Some companies sell LED built into a square array and market against the UFO while banking on the initial savings, however they do not provide any necessary details (go check out EBAY or Google and see what I mean).

Savings

May 25 2009, 1:36 am

When you divide the cost of the led lamps,by the hours of life expectancy,the leds win hands down on cost. They are cheaper,cooler and the savings just from using them will make you appreciate them,no matter the size of your grow.
And,they are purtier too.

Sin Inc LMFAO

May 24 2009, 11:12 pm

It's called conflict of interest. As much as I want to believe you.....

Sin Inc

May 24 2009, 10:25 pm

I'm currently using and have had in use 1 700W Tri-band(red's, orange's, & blue's) L.E.D.s in an 11X12 room & the results are phenomenal. From clone to vegetative through flowering this one light out weighed allllll my previous grows using 4 600W MH for Veg. & 1 1000W HPS for flowering!!!! Not only was my yield grater in cured weight my use & cost of everything went down. First electricity, the obvious. Next watering happens a 1/4 of at very the least less, meaning nutrient & fresh water costs come that far down. We all know that those costs are in it's self tremendous. Back to electricity, now due to not having a heat problem my cooling usage is almost nonexistent(always gonna need air circulation) in fact so I had to add the smallest on the market available space heater set at it's lowest setting for a nice 75 degrees. There's also no more outside ventilation needed, so for a new grow room that's yet another nice cut in build cost. Now the best in my opinion is the resin gland production, no comparison hands down! One of my favorite strands that I've grown time & time again has a whole new life to it. I'm not in favor of the theory that its a stress that this is derived from since it uses far less water and nutrients. Meaning it's pushing it's self not, so wheres the stress? Last being yes right now their expensive, everyone's talking a lot of trash about them. Well the trash talk comes from the uneducated speaking only hearsay. I know these lights are the future, big companies don't want these lights on the market. Reason being once you buy these lights it, that's it for 20 years. No more buying new bulbs every cycle, no need of two different bulbs for optimum efficiency. One light start to finish time after time. Sells are what their worried about as they should be. The best for last Quad-band is right round the corner with another huge down steep in wattage usage, the future of the future. I'm in such astonishment that I'm presently investing in the company producing these lights. So if it's a possibility for you as a new grower I suggest trying these, especially if you don't live in a medical legal use region(no more thermal foot print the eye in the sky is blind to your cultivation). Information brought to you at the front lines of the future by Sin Inc. Hope to be seeing you all soon!

gstlab3

May 24 2009, 9:59 pm

OH MAN IT WOULD BE NICE TO SAVE ON ELECTRIC AND HEAT BUILD UP!! AND TO GET A LAMP TUNED TO THE VERY NEEDS OF MARIJAUNA WOULD BE SO COOL!!! SAVE MONEY AND FOIL THE EFFORTS OF THE POLICE TOO!!!!! AS FOR SUPLIMENTAL LIGHTING A MIX OF LIGHT IS ALWAYS BETTER THAN JUST A SINGLE SOURCE EVEN IF IT IS A LOW WATTAGE LIGHT BECAUSE AS WE ALL KNOW THE BEST PART IS THE TOPS OF THE PLANT NO MATTER WHAT KIND OR MIX OF LIGHT THERE IS.,SO EVEN A LOW POWER LAMP OR TWO MIXING IN WILL DEFINITLY HELP THE QUALITY OF THOSE ALL IMPORTANT TOPS!!! HELL I WILL TIE PLANTS TO THE SIDE TO GET MORE TOPS SOMETIMES AND THAT TAKES MORE ROOM BUT IF THE QUALITY IS RIGHT I DO NOT CARE.,AND THIS WILL HELP GENERATE BRANCHES FOR CLONING.,THIS PLANT WILL NOT BE STOPPED ONCE ESTABLISHED!! GROW LIKE CRAZY THIS SUMMER OUT DOORS IF YOU CAN!! WE FACE A LEANER MEANER DRUG WAR THIS YEAR!!!!THANKS MEXICO!!!

n

May 24 2009, 9:14 pm

what led light is that??

FUCKING HOSTILE

May 24 2009, 9:03 pm

LOOKS LIKE A GREAT IDEA! HOPE IT WORKS

Truth be told

May 24 2009, 9:01 pm

Not so the a b c studys are a flat out lie anyone
trying to sell these things should be flat out fired.
I have two that went the way of the garbage , 20 % less
try 80% less.
Dont let them lie about this damn thing anymore. Look
into the upset comments of previous consumers from this
very magazine, and the massive apologise given.

Now Now Now!

May 24 2009, 7:50 pm

Dammit Technology hurry up!! I live in the desert southwest where it's no joke cooling even just a 400wattHPS in a closet..LEO's silence on this technology suggests that they feel futile to stop it. HAHAHAHA! go to kopbusters.com

Desi

May 24 2009, 5:09 pm

Very interesting and informative article. LEDs will be in use for all kinds of applications in the near future. Find a good LED company and invest. Non LEDs will go the way of the VCR within the next ten years.

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